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Old 10-08-2009
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I think the site looks a lot better.

As for adds, go look at other forums, 90% of them have ads. Long as there not a page long I could care less.

As for money. I can care less if Rick makes money. If it where my site I would try to make money too! The site is free, you do not have to contribute. I would rather have some adds then read about people's BS!

I am guessing Rick runs sites for a living? So this is his job. Does anyone else want to go to work and do it for free?

I sure the hell don't.
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The family aspect has definitely declined a ton in the past 2 years. Thats what happens when you become a huge site though. Go look over at F150online.com, there is no community what so ever. It takes the membership as a whole to bring that back though. This stupid bickering over ads and who owns what is not the way to do it.
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Anybody else Miss D. and Matt argueing? LOL, This might be a little sardonic of me, but I loved it! It always made me laugh!
I do miss D, he had some good stuff to say.
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I looked up to those guys. I remember the old days of R/F. This used to be a community. I feel as if this is a Ranger specific Pirate4x4 now (just minus the hate).
this is anything but pirate...

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I think the site looks a lot better.

As for adds, go look at other forums, 90% of them have ads. Long as there not a page long I could care less.

As for money. I can care less if Rick makes money. If it where my site I would try to make money too! The site is free, you do not have to contribute. I would rather have some adds then read about people's BS!

I am guessing Rick runs sites for a living? So this is his job. Does anyone else want to go to work and do it for free?

I sure the hell don't.
It took a **** when it went from someone running it because it was his passion, to someone running it for a living..
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The family aspect has definitely declined a ton in the past 2 years. Thats what happens when you become a huge site though. Go look over at F150online.com, there is no community what so ever. It takes the membership as a whole to bring that back though. This stupid bickering over ads and who owns what is not the way to do it.

i never said anything about ads, or my avatar or some ****. i was on this forum more then any other RBF because it was a community, a place where you can ask for help and either receive it by a thread or a member offered to come and help out hands on. you cant beat that..thats a true community. since the past 4-6 months it seems like everything has changed.

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That all aside, as I have said about 4 times in this thread, taking the site off the previous owners hands did cost money. There was an initial investment of funds. I would like those funds recouped
ya and its showing. i can tell you made investing in sites your job, but we dont need people like you around here. thats how sites go to **** and all the people who care about the site leave.

i contributed to the site because i feel you cant put a price on the knowledge you got, i met a ton of good people that i now call my friends. now its like i contribute money so you can break even for how ever much you bought the site for.
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sounds like Christian made a buck or two
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i was on this forum more then any other RBF because it was a community, a place where you can ask for help and either receive it by a thread or a member offered to come and help out hands on. you cant beat that..thats a true community. since the past 4-6 months it seems like everything has changed..
Maybe its cause you fell of the face of the earth, DAN! What a jerk
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Maybe its cause you fell of the face of the earth, DAN! What a jerk
hey now i know where u sleep at night....oh wait you MOVED and didnt invite me...wtf is this?
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This site now is like your favorite Mom and Pop store/restaurant being bought out by a chain. You used to go there for the value, friendship, camaraderie and knowing that you were helping out the owner. Now, it's taken over by someone looking for more profit, throwing advertising at you and all you get back is the same old bland stuff. As far as ads, I know they are necessary in your business model, but who is dumb enough to click on those ****ty looking things? Meh, I know how to use Google, I can find my own goods.
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I think the site is better than it was 4 years ago. I am going to stick through to the end and if anyone has a problem with Rick, Zach or the rest of the staff take a hike and get the hell out. There is no reason to stick around and be the bad seed.
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I agree with what John (HAZZARDJOHN) said. I didnt notice the changes as my work computer and home PC never changed..I used to be a contributor but I sold my rangers. Im in a F150 and I still come here. This is a great forum, and most of the complaining is coming from the newer members. Beard has done one hell of a job since Christian left to become a cop. Although I wish some of the members were back (D. for sure, Maurice) the fact that there are some ads here are fine by me. I dont know if I like the fact that people are paying for said goods and they are not receiving it.

I definitely think the site has lost some of the family cohesion it had when I first joined.

Its still better than most forums out there.
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You did ban Chuck for agreeing with Matt.
Who is chuck? LOL
I have no issues banning people and even saying I did it. Luckily for me, I am not the only person with banning abilities.

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And why would Matt go off and start some "rumor" about you demoting him and banning him against his will if he requested it?
To rally the troops perhaps? I don't think it went down the way he wanted. I believe he may have wanted all the staff to turn tail and run as well. But again, it doesn't matter at this stage, end result remains the same regardless of how we got there.

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that ORW kits bs, $732 bucks for USELESS torsion keys and shocks?? You can achieve the same lift by cranking the t-bars FOR FREE (even if you buy the keys from somewhere else they're no where near that expensive), and guess what, you don't need longer shocks to do that. That kit is a complete scam, and yet its still there. Not to mention a stock ranger, especially with keys/cranked t-bars, won't notice much of a difference, the might as well spend $100 on bilstiens.
This is something you should PM the vendor about perhaps?

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And the stickers, years ago when i Joined you got stickers included in the membership price, since then the price has gone up and now you're are charging more for the stickers? I could care less about them, but still.
I believe the orig price was $15, then dropped to $12, and then put back up to $15
If you don't care about the stickers then why talk about them?
And just so you understand, if you subscribed previously to the last 6 months, you will be happy to know that your subscription and money will not renew under me, but if you do renew, I will be happy to send you some stickers. Just pm me your mailing details

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How did this site survive for the first 5 years it was around without ads? Oh yeah all the people that paid to be contributors, which are still paying to be contributors. We didnt need ads for the first 5 years why do we need them now?
Previous subscriptions do not affect the operating and running costs now. That money wasn't given to me, there was no hardware acquired by me. The contributions went to hosting at the time. The ratio of subscribers from the years of soliciting for them vs now is substantially greater for the past.

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Works for me. I know I'll catch flack for saying this, but I never cared much for FireRanger anyhow. He was never professional as I thought a moderator should be and he often added fuel to pointless arguments and disagreements.
You aren't the first person to say that you didn't care for FireRanger, in fact with all the 'heat' that came with him being gone came some praise as well.

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i was gonna say this. this site didn't move this quick last year or when i joined. i remember the site down once a week or every other week for repairs. now it moves much quicker. we all can see that. if i have to scroll past a few ads, so be it.
Good hardware and people behind the scenes make it that way. Hardware isn't free and I don't lease the webserver or db box, i own them.
I am happy that there is some stability in the forum now. Nothing worse then hitting a site only to find its offline or backing up and lagging.

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The few posts I read of his when he was a Moderator did not seem fitting for his title. I completely agree with you on that.

As for the rest of you arguing with Rick, i'm noticing a trend. It seems to be the people that always "stick" together and have that FTP attitude. Seriously guys, what gives?

If you don't like the change thats taken place, don't let the door hitcha where the good Lord splitcha.

Rick, I don't know who in the hell you are or who this Christian fellow is but keep up the good work, no complaints here.
Thanks for the positive feed back and I have to agree, there certainly is a core group of discontents that continue to freak out.

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Here's my opinion:

What a great idea for an investment. I wish i would have thought of it. Gentlemen and ladies. . . this is his investment/ property. He can do whatever he wants with the site. . . he paid for it! I say make money off the site. It's the American Dream. At least we only have ads that apply to Rangers, so don't *****! If you don't like the site or how is ran, then get the hell off the site and don't come back. This site is awsome, we should all feel fortunate that we don't have to pay to enjoy this site.
Thanks dangel

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I like the changes... I may venture over here more often...

Maybe.
LOL, well, that's great, i think :p

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Well the problem is if Rick pisses off all of the contributing members, then there is not going to be a site.
Why would there not be a site? Because a handful of the 800 people that log on each day are gone? With the current staff here there will be no issues with the site remaining and continuing what it has been doing for a long while, with or without me.

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Oh Rick, what happened to Alan? Personal attack eh?
I believe you are referring to smakes. As I explained to him and I guess which is now going to be explained to you... I have no issues answering questions but demanding answers then calling me names isn't the way to go about it. When I explain to him that his methods aren't benefiting him and will get him canned and he essentially says bring it on, we part ways.
I do not regret my decision especially after he told me to go **** myself. Good riddance and he wont be back with my approval.

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None of us that contributed have a share in anything. It was simply a DONATION to help with the upkeep of this website. Just because I am a Contributor I don't feel like a more powerful member than you because you aren't a contributor. Everyone here is equal except for the Moderators and Admin's who have responsibilities on this website. Instead of *****ing and complaining about the change (which is eventual BTW), how about suggestions for the website? I'm sure it would get you further than calling the owner a punk or threatening to kill his family. If that keeps up, maybe he'll sell it to someone else who really doesn't give a damn what happens to the website and posts ads all over the site. Then what will you do?
Thanks Tom for the input. I believe it was said best here about contributors:
https://www.ranger-forums.com/forum2...ntributor.html

Thanks for the feedback

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You know Rick has to be "politically correct" because he's the owner.
haha, well, you got that right :) Sometimes I add a little flavor but then I re-read it and delete it before posting. Hard to write anything when some peoples first reaction is to pounce on a single word.

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I have to disagree. If it wasnt for the Contribs, then there would be no R-F as we see it now.
Perhaps that was the case then and I can say it is to some degree now. Obviously site support is key now and was then too. Would the site still be here if it wasn't purchased, I think so. I think it would just be someone else's responsibility, not mine...but, speculating and all, there is a chance it wouldn't even be here at all.

If everyone stopped supporting the site because they dislike the theme, or avatars etc, I understand. You work hard for your money and you should spend it the way you see fit. No one, especially me is forcing it on members to support the site. Either you like R/F to the degree where you would spend $15 / year or you don't.

At this stage of the game, R/F would remain if contributions stopped coming in. Support is certainly appreciated and I try to show that by adding perks (though they seem to back fire) and adding decals etc. But again, it is YOUR money.

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And your right, everyone is equal, there are just some that are Less equal than others....

And why can't we all ***** and complain? The way I see it, its our website. If none of us joined, or all of us left, then there would be no site.
People have a right to voice their opinions, I don't mind really. But when I am answering the same question with the same response over and over, it gets old.

For me, everyone needs to adhere to the same rules and policies. As I explained to people before, the rules and policies are there to work for the staff when they need them. I would hate to think that we need to log onto a forum to work for the rules and policies. Most people here are adults we shouldn't have to moderate every post.

So yes, *****ing and complaining, its tolerated, even acknowledged by the staff here and in private chats. When it gets old we can just close the thread. And once the thread is closed people are welcome to PM me directly so that I may review each and every request rather than sifting through pages of complaints.

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He "personally attacked" Rick, so he permabanned him
Correct.

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If it's our website, then why does everyone want this Christian guy to come back and own it again? It seems to me that since the website is under new management everyone has to moan and groan about him.

What would have happened if Christian had done the things that Rick has done, would you all complain if he did it? The way you guys are acting shows me that this Christian guy could do no harm.

And if you haven't noticed, Rick mentioned he would like the site to break even one day. That tells me that even though it's $15 to be a contributor he's still paying out of pocket to keep the site running. Sounds like dedication to me...
Tom, I skipped over the first and second paragraph, LOL. I am on side with both of them and I think we can agree that certain people it's addressed towards will never answer it, it's a trap!!

LOL Nice work anyhow :p

To your last paragraph and to point out to others, not you specifically. I did pay real money for the site, there is a cost. The site has not recouped the funds that I put out. It will at some point. With me offering to take parts from vendors for giveaways certainly does not help with mitigating losses. Despite what people think or believe, I do enjoy participating in a thriving community the best way I know how. I can run a forum, I have the hardware, I enjoy the chatter and the people.

The amount of contributions that have come in over the 6 months isn't absurd or outrageous. The redesign cost money, the site cost money, the addons cost money, hosting costs money.

To those that step up and support the site because they like what it offers, that's awesome. That is what i want to hear and what I think all the staff and even some members strive to achieve, a great site for Ranger discussion.

Anyhow Tom, you made me rant there for a bit

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Don't know, it was before my time.

Most of the fuss is because of the consistent banning every time someone speaks out against Rick.
Sure some people could have stepped a little bit lighter, but a permabann is a little excessive IMO.
There are people who are against the changes right now, I don't ban them. The only people that have been banned by me either:
1) break the rules of the site on the site
2) threaten me, my property, crank call me etc.

But I will say you are right, if people approached and presented their opinions differently some of those people would certainly still be here.

**rifles through page five**

i_luv_strats, thanks for the support!

dixie_boysles, you can change the theme back, avatars are stuck as is.

TazDevil07, thanks for the positive feedback. Zach and the guys have a lot on their plate, they too have real lives like most of us :) Feel free to speak your mind, just let me have a rest from being picked on. LOL

HAZZARDJOHN, the site has certainly evolved from perhaps a cozy little sandbox into a theme park. I do believe a lot of the "trouble makers" have played a roll into pushing people away from sharing their thoughts about life and its curve-***** and or every day adventures. I think little of that disappearing has to do with me. PS, I like your avatar

freddie - LOL

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Couldn't agree more! I'm a member who's been around these "Ranger forums" since the days of G-E. There's very few of us around anymore, and if you go back and look at all the people who commented in this thread, the majority that LIKE the new site joined in 2007 or later. Not trying to be an elitist or anything like that, just saying it's all about perspective.
People grow up, move on, different responsibilities, goals etc etc?

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There's no two ways about it, the site was hands down, far and away better when Christian owned it.
Laughable comment. I find it funny that in 6 months, 4 people banned by me has caused such a massive downfall in the atmosphere and overall forum environment that the site is far worse now than when it was ran by a guy who wasn't around and sold the site when he had the chance. Please.

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Now, I understand the server BS and hosting issues were a huge pain in the *** for Zach and other mods. But on a purely site based opinion, there is no way the site has half the community, fun, knowledge or friendship that was there in say 2007.
Again, I don't believe anything that has happened between '07 and today, '09 with the exception of the last few weeks had to do with me. If you arent having fun here, look to the people that you are flocking with. Community is questionable, are you talking about people patting each other on the back or memberbase. This site certainly has grown and the only thing I have seen is a select handful of people **** talking others and putting them down, that was here when I arrived.

Honestly Edge, sounds to me you are only here for nostalgia reasons, why stay?

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I've never been a contributor, mainly because I don't 'mod' my truck as I don't find that to be a high priority. I would rather spend the money on my wife or save it for a house...that's just me.
It was $12, it is now $15. $0.25 cents a day to not see ads, more pm space, decals, bigger edit window (had to toss that in). I am not sure how happy you can make a woman with 25 cents a day or what type of house having that extra $15 is going to get you. Again, it is your money.....

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I mainly just roam the off-topic section now and search for threads when I have a problem. But even as just a regular member, I could ALWAYS understand why people contributed to the site.

A) They got some benefits from it (Avatars, stickers etc.)
B) The forum was a community, like a family, and needed the money to survive

As to why anyone would pay to be a contributor now, I don't understand. There are really no benefits I see, there is alot of advertising on the site now and the community/friendship feel is deteriorating by the day.
I think there are plenty of people just by reading this thread who are happy with the site and contribute because they enjoy the information and environment.

With regards to seeing ads, subscribe, the ads get removed. I can't offer a service where you subscribe and people are your friends, the friendship building is all on you

I think long winded threads full of negativity hamper positive growth, that is why I will close the thread at the end of my reply.

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Now, I know Christian and Zach forked out money to keep the site going, and I appreciate that. But that was the difference from then to now.
Not sure what the site cost Christian back then, but it cost me considerably more. I have not hidden the fact I would like the forum to break even, anything above and beyond is a bonus.

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It was people giving out of their own pockets to keep it going and keep it up, thus making it an investment in friendships more-so than a business investment. The fact of the matter is Christian was a Ranger owner who started the site out of love for Rangers and his friends. Now the site is owned by someone I've never heard of (no offense, Rick) since 2003 when I bought my truck and started lurking 'Ranger fourms'. And I think that's how alot of old school members feel, we all look back to the good old days when the owner was one of us, the site was small and there was a real family feel. That's what separated this site from all others on the internet. I've seen alot of good members leave in the last few months, others have been banned, and that sucks. This place just isn't the same, no two ways about it.

Bottom line, this place is run as a business now, and that changes everything. I'm not saying that's wrong for Rick to do, he bought it with his money, it's his and he can do what he wants. I don't believe for a second that you 'want it to break even' one day. The sad fact is, once this place becomes a business for someone, the sense of community and family is out the window. Now, anyone with a personality is banned. Don't know if I will be around much longer, not that anyone would miss me. But it's like everyone is drones now...boring threads, no debate, no camaraderie...site's gone downhill, no two ways about it. The noobs will enjoy it tho, and I guess that's good news for the owners pocketbook.
Thanks for the feedback, Im not interested in debating everything I say when someone cries BS. I often wonder if it would be easier to say I make a ****load of cash from the site, pays for the exotic cars and the mansion if people would stop calling BS.... or wait, when i said that I make so much money that it pays for the Lambo someone called bs. LOL I cant win with some of you... sometimes less is more I guess.

SniperX103 - Thanks for the post, I think my head is ready to explode now.. not because of you, but because of all the repeating and reading. LOL

karrbass4life - your membership doesnt expire, it always exist. I can disable an account on requrest though. If you were referring to a paid sub, subscriptions pre 6 months ago never went to me and will not renew. Subs from last year have nothing to do with me.

JoshK - Thanks for the feedback. :)

04blackedge - F150online, huge multimillion dollar entity owns that site and hundreds more. Good company but to some they are the devil just like me...mind you, they have millions in their bank, im overdrawn LOL

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ya and its showing. i can tell you made investing in sites your job, but we dont need people like you around here. thats how sites go to **** and all the people who care about the site leave.
This is the problem with even replying to people who have an agenda. If you don't like me around here you are surely to have a problem then, I'm not leaving. I guess you have some options to consider.

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Roach2004 - Thanks for the support :)



At this stage, 7 pages later I think people get where I stand and I have a clear understanding where some of you who commented stand.

Feel free to PM anytime and I will try to address questions or concerns.

I am locking the thread because I feel it has ran its course. Thanks for the positive feedback everyone.
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