Is the MPG that bad?
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So what does that make it?
The MPG that is?
There are only two ways out for the gasoline, burned or leaked.
EVAP system prevents evaporation.
Well, I guess there is a third way out, neighbor with a siphon hose, lol.
If you are burning it then spark plugs will be black instead of nice light brown
The MPG that is?
There are only two ways out for the gasoline, burned or leaked.
EVAP system prevents evaporation.
Well, I guess there is a third way out, neighbor with a siphon hose, lol.
If you are burning it then spark plugs will be black instead of nice light brown
#57
Yeah MPG, if it used to show 1 liter burned at X miles, then 1.1 liters at same miles after adjusment, from default setting.
I changed spark plug last summer, and they were indeed black, however fuel trim on ultragauge mostly show between -5 to +5 on both bank, and never more than +10 and never under -10, is it possible that the o2 sensors show false result?
I changed spark plug last summer, and they were indeed black, however fuel trim on ultragauge mostly show between -5 to +5 on both bank, and never more than +10 and never under -10, is it possible that the o2 sensors show false result?
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Yes, if plugs were black and computer is showing "normal" fuel trims then either the computer is at fault or the O2 sensors are.
If MAF sensor was wrong then O2s would show the rich burn.
Spark plugs being discolored are physical evidence of incorrect mix.
Your MPG would also back that up, although never have trusted electronic "best guess" software.
Fill up tank
Reset trip odometer
Drive a bit, say 100 miles on odo
Fill up tank again
5 gallons used.
100/5 = 20mpg
But I am old and have lots of pencils and paper to use up.
Ford dealer can reflash the computer with latest software, which often improves MPG even if it was OK before, $100-$150 usually, but have seen it done for $75 flat fee at some dealers.
O2 sensors work by chemical reaction and fresh air from outside, they used to have vents but now with the 4 wires they get it via the wire insulators.
The chemical reaction uses up the chemicals so O2 sensors do simply wear out, like a battery does, 100k miles is expected, some go longer some shorter.
The black spark plugs would mean shorter O2 life because they would also get a coating of black.
If MAF sensor was wrong then O2s would show the rich burn.
Spark plugs being discolored are physical evidence of incorrect mix.
Your MPG would also back that up, although never have trusted electronic "best guess" software.
Fill up tank
Reset trip odometer
Drive a bit, say 100 miles on odo
Fill up tank again
5 gallons used.
100/5 = 20mpg
But I am old and have lots of pencils and paper to use up.
Ford dealer can reflash the computer with latest software, which often improves MPG even if it was OK before, $100-$150 usually, but have seen it done for $75 flat fee at some dealers.
O2 sensors work by chemical reaction and fresh air from outside, they used to have vents but now with the 4 wires they get it via the wire insulators.
The chemical reaction uses up the chemicals so O2 sensors do simply wear out, like a battery does, 100k miles is expected, some go longer some shorter.
The black spark plugs would mean shorter O2 life because they would also get a coating of black.
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No, the 2000 should have PATS so I think you need an active Ford subscription while flashing.
The actual flashing probably only takes a minute or two.
The connection to Ford Database and authentication process probably takes 20-30minutes.
This is done so thieves can't just swap or reprogram computers to get around PATS system, although locksmith programs can add PATS keys in less than 5 minutes, lol, so the delay in flashing seems like a useless "money grab" for dealer shop time.
I would just replace the upstream O2s.
Be sure to reboot/reset computer after changing them.
And pull out and clean the spark plugs so you can tell if you are getting normal burns after this change.
The downstream O2(s) seem to last alot longer since they are in cleaned exhaust stream, but if engine has been running rich for a long time it may need to be changed.
But you will get a CEL and code for that once new upstream O2s get engine back to "normal" air/fuel ratios.
The downstream O2 doesn't effect air/fuel mix directly, it is there to check if Cats are working.
The actual flashing probably only takes a minute or two.
The connection to Ford Database and authentication process probably takes 20-30minutes.
This is done so thieves can't just swap or reprogram computers to get around PATS system, although locksmith programs can add PATS keys in less than 5 minutes, lol, so the delay in flashing seems like a useless "money grab" for dealer shop time.
I would just replace the upstream O2s.
Be sure to reboot/reset computer after changing them.
And pull out and clean the spark plugs so you can tell if you are getting normal burns after this change.
The downstream O2(s) seem to last alot longer since they are in cleaned exhaust stream, but if engine has been running rich for a long time it may need to be changed.
But you will get a CEL and code for that once new upstream O2s get engine back to "normal" air/fuel ratios.
The downstream O2 doesn't effect air/fuel mix directly, it is there to check if Cats are working.
Last edited by RonD; 03-14-2015 at 12:14 PM.
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