2002 Rnger Edge 3.0 oil pressure
#51
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Well there are two thoughts
When were your torque wrenches last calibrated?
And what are the torque specs for the year of the engine?
I know the head bolts changed on the 3.0l but don't think the rod or main bolts changed
You can use weights to test torque wrench calibration
Ft/lb means just that, i.e. 50lbs at 12" out from socket center = 50ft/lb
When were your torque wrenches last calibrated?
And what are the torque specs for the year of the engine?
I know the head bolts changed on the 3.0l but don't think the rod or main bolts changed
You can use weights to test torque wrench calibration
Ft/lb means just that, i.e. 50lbs at 12" out from socket center = 50ft/lb
#52
Borrowing one of my buddy's snap on digital torque wrenches. I'm not about to mess with his calibration.
Swap over of ranger to taurus donor is coming nicely. heads back on. New oil pump. Intake going on next. Exhaust manifolds on.
Then push rods and rocket arm adjustment.
Ranger parts laid out to go on donor engine
Swap over of ranger to taurus donor is coming nicely. heads back on. New oil pump. Intake going on next. Exhaust manifolds on.
Then push rods and rocket arm adjustment.
Ranger parts laid out to go on donor engine
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I removed the oil pressure sending unit, unhooked the coil, and had my son crank it while I watched the hole. Oil came out strongly on every revolution.
We reinstalled the sending unit. Started right up and smoothed out. Its quieter then the original engine wasm The ticking has quieted. The check guage light is on but it was on when the first engine blew.
Watching the guage when starting the engine it is responsive but wont read pressure. The temp guage works. Everything else in the instrument cluster works. I'm wondering if maybe there is some setting in the ECM stuck when the original engine went.
What should the oil pressure be on this engine?
Any other ideas?
We reinstalled the sending unit. Started right up and smoothed out. Its quieter then the original engine wasm The ticking has quieted. The check guage light is on but it was on when the first engine blew.
Watching the guage when starting the engine it is responsive but wont read pressure. The temp guage works. Everything else in the instrument cluster works. I'm wondering if maybe there is some setting in the ECM stuck when the original engine went.
What should the oil pressure be on this engine?
Any other ideas?
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In 2002, well 2003 and earlier Rangers the oil, temp, fuel and Voltage gauges are all analog and have no connection to the computer, direct to engine, or gas tank
The oil pressure switch is a ground switch, unplug the wire on this sender and ground that wire with a jumper wire
Turn on the key
Oil gauge should now read about 1/3 to 1/2
If not then gauge or wire is bad
Never use "tape" on the treads of a sender, it needs bare metal threads to make good contact to the Block for its Ground
Real oil pressure on any engine is between 10psi and 50psi depending on oils temp and engine RPMs
Oil is thicker when cold so pressure will be higher
Oil pump speed goes up with RPM, of course, so oil pressure goes up with RPM
Oil pressure is the oil the engine CAN NOT USE at that moment, its the back pressure that builds up between oil filter and main oil passage to the bearings and valve train
So any thing above 10psi is fine
General rule of thumb is 10psi per 1,000rpm, so at idle you might see 7-8psi at 700-800rpm, at 3,000rpm 30psi, 5,000rpm 50psi, it generally should top out around 50-60psi because you can actually have too much oil pressure, so there is a pressure relief valve on the oil pump
Too much oil pressure will "wash" the bearings, actually dry them out because oil is spraying too fast
The oil pressure switch is a ground switch, unplug the wire on this sender and ground that wire with a jumper wire
Turn on the key
Oil gauge should now read about 1/3 to 1/2
If not then gauge or wire is bad
Never use "tape" on the treads of a sender, it needs bare metal threads to make good contact to the Block for its Ground
Real oil pressure on any engine is between 10psi and 50psi depending on oils temp and engine RPMs
Oil is thicker when cold so pressure will be higher
Oil pump speed goes up with RPM, of course, so oil pressure goes up with RPM
Oil pressure is the oil the engine CAN NOT USE at that moment, its the back pressure that builds up between oil filter and main oil passage to the bearings and valve train
So any thing above 10psi is fine
General rule of thumb is 10psi per 1,000rpm, so at idle you might see 7-8psi at 700-800rpm, at 3,000rpm 30psi, 5,000rpm 50psi, it generally should top out around 50-60psi because you can actually have too much oil pressure, so there is a pressure relief valve on the oil pump
Too much oil pressure will "wash" the bearings, actually dry them out because oil is spraying too fast
Last edited by RonD; 04-25-2020 at 10:05 PM.
#58
When you turn the key on, all the gauges move a bit then settle at low. I tried the jumper on the electrical connector. No difference. I cut the connector off and jumped the bare end of the wire to several ground locations including negative battery terminal. No response in guage. Still waiting to get a manual pressure check guage to check the oil pressure. It was working, though erratically, before the original engine died.
Old and new sending units and elec connector
Old and new sending units and elec connector
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I think pulling the cluster out would be next step, cluster wiring diagram below
Then you can test if the green/white wire is the problem or its the gauge
Get 6 new cluster bulbs, they are not expensive, and replace all 6 just because.............they do burn out and a pain to replace
You can ground the green/white wire in the engine bay then test it at the cluster with ohm meter to see if its 0 ohms to cab ground, if not then run a new wire
Wire may have even pulled out of the cluster connector
But either way you could pull out the "Check Gauge" bulb, not recommended because it does check other gauges, like fuel level, lol
You can run a PS60 oil pressure sender to a new electrical gauge, its just 1 wire, and if the green/white wire is OK then the wire you need is already run into the cab
Mechanical gauges require an oil tube to be run into the cab to the new gauge
Then you can test if the green/white wire is the problem or its the gauge
Get 6 new cluster bulbs, they are not expensive, and replace all 6 just because.............they do burn out and a pain to replace
You can ground the green/white wire in the engine bay then test it at the cluster with ohm meter to see if its 0 ohms to cab ground, if not then run a new wire
Wire may have even pulled out of the cluster connector
But either way you could pull out the "Check Gauge" bulb, not recommended because it does check other gauges, like fuel level, lol
You can run a PS60 oil pressure sender to a new electrical gauge, its just 1 wire, and if the green/white wire is OK then the wire you need is already run into the cab
Mechanical gauges require an oil tube to be run into the cab to the new gauge
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Just copy and paste the web address in your post from the page the YouTube video is on.
I don't think you can post a video directly, it has to be uploaded on the web and then you post the link to that upload.
I think if you tried directly like a photo, the site would reject it because the file size would be too big.
I don't think you can post a video directly, it has to be uploaded on the web and then you post the link to that upload.
I think if you tried directly like a photo, the site would reject it because the file size would be too big.
Last edited by Jeff R 1; 05-01-2020 at 09:09 AM.
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The only thing used from the donor engine was the block and heads. Everything else is from the Ranger.
Its back together. Some gremlin noises but hopefully they will work themselves out over time.
Post install thoughts...
1) If you are looking for a cheap replacement route, buy an engine from a ranger. It will be quicker and cheaper.
2) Using a donor engine was more expensive in the long run with all the new gaskets, seals, oil pump, head bolts, etc...
3) Leave the torque converter in the trans when installing. We tried to do it by bolting the torque converter to the flywheel first but couldn't get it to line up right.
4) This method did allow me to teach my son about the basics of a removal, rebuild and re-install which was in itself priceless.
I cant thank you guys enough for all the help in walking through this. You were a very valuable resource.
Its back together. Some gremlin noises but hopefully they will work themselves out over time.
Post install thoughts...
1) If you are looking for a cheap replacement route, buy an engine from a ranger. It will be quicker and cheaper.
2) Using a donor engine was more expensive in the long run with all the new gaskets, seals, oil pump, head bolts, etc...
3) Leave the torque converter in the trans when installing. We tried to do it by bolting the torque converter to the flywheel first but couldn't get it to line up right.
4) This method did allow me to teach my son about the basics of a removal, rebuild and re-install which was in itself priceless.
I cant thank you guys enough for all the help in walking through this. You were a very valuable resource.
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Drove the truck a couple of minutes at a time. Let it get warm then killed it. Then drove it about 5 miles to the post office. Did ok. Speed no higher than 60mph. Decided to bite the bullet and drive it to town... about a 50 mile round trip. About halfway thru the truck overheated. Noticed it cracked the radiator under the upper hose connection. Pulled it home. Now I have pressure in the cooling system when starting it . Guessing a blown head gasket.
Is there any way to tell which side without taking both apart? Why would it blow? New gaskets were installed correctly. Frustrating.
Is there any way to tell which side without taking both apart? Why would it blow? New gaskets were installed correctly. Frustrating.
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Did you pressure test the heads?
Maybe head is cracked
Yes, you can do the glove test to ID which cylinder is leaking, or use a pressure gauge on rad cap
Cold engine
Unplug coil pack's 4 wire connector for a no start
Remove rad cap
Remove overflow hose and plug that port on rad cap opening
Put a latex glove, a balloon, or even a condom over the rad cap opening, make sure its tight
Cooling system is now sealed
Crank engine over and watch glove
It will bounce on leaking cylinder's compression stroke, as pressure is pushed into the cooling system
Remove 1 spark plug at a time and crank engine over, when glove stops bouncing the last spark plug removed is from the leaking cylinder
Put spark plug back in to confirm
Maybe head is cracked
Yes, you can do the glove test to ID which cylinder is leaking, or use a pressure gauge on rad cap
Cold engine
Unplug coil pack's 4 wire connector for a no start
Remove rad cap
Remove overflow hose and plug that port on rad cap opening
Put a latex glove, a balloon, or even a condom over the rad cap opening, make sure its tight
Cooling system is now sealed
Crank engine over and watch glove
It will bounce on leaking cylinder's compression stroke, as pressure is pushed into the cooling system
Remove 1 spark plug at a time and crank engine over, when glove stops bouncing the last spark plug removed is from the leaking cylinder
Put spark plug back in to confirm
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Glove test led me to the passenger side. Water coming out of all three cylinders. Some type of serious failures. From looking at the block and head, it seems water was simply pouring by the gasket in several places. Heads are flat with non cracks. There were no signs of moisture in the cylinders when I took it apart to change the head gaskets as suggested. I'm wondering what the difference is in the Taurus head gasket and ranger gasket. Side by side the heads are identical.
Any thoughts?
Any thoughts?
#75
The difference in head gaskets won't cause leakage like that, the difference are the big water holes at the end of the gaskets.
The Taurus has holes at both ends to allow coolant to flow through the head and block because it's a front wheel drive.
The Rangers holes are totally blocked off in the front so the pump forces water to the back of the heads so it circulates through the block.
I think the gaskets can be put in wrong on the Ranger, but that would not cause catastrophic failure in the middle like that.
The heads are the same, Ford made them that way so they are interchangeable _ on the Ranger anyway, probably the same for the Taurus.
Check the heads with a straight edge and the block again.
Use criss-cross pattern and along the left and right edges.
If you can get a 5 thou feeler gauge underneath, then the block and/or head is out of spec.
For a point of reference, a human hair is about 4 thou.
2002 will have TTY head bolts, were they torqued down properly ?
EDIT:
Looks like you got the wrong gasket for the different head style.
I can see where the head is not quite lining up with the gasket.
There were two different types of heads, one for flex fuel and non flex fuel.
One combustion chamber is heart shaped and the other is oval.
I would have to look to see if the gaskets are actually different, but from what I see, they are.
The Taurus has holes at both ends to allow coolant to flow through the head and block because it's a front wheel drive.
The Rangers holes are totally blocked off in the front so the pump forces water to the back of the heads so it circulates through the block.
I think the gaskets can be put in wrong on the Ranger, but that would not cause catastrophic failure in the middle like that.
The heads are the same, Ford made them that way so they are interchangeable _ on the Ranger anyway, probably the same for the Taurus.
Check the heads with a straight edge and the block again.
Use criss-cross pattern and along the left and right edges.
If you can get a 5 thou feeler gauge underneath, then the block and/or head is out of spec.
For a point of reference, a human hair is about 4 thou.
2002 will have TTY head bolts, were they torqued down properly ?
EDIT:
Looks like you got the wrong gasket for the different head style.
I can see where the head is not quite lining up with the gasket.
There were two different types of heads, one for flex fuel and non flex fuel.
One combustion chamber is heart shaped and the other is oval.
I would have to look to see if the gaskets are actually different, but from what I see, they are.
Last edited by Jeff R 1; 07-10-2020 at 04:03 PM.