3.0 wont start
3.0 wont start
hey everyone.
looked here and you tube. found nothing or I just probably suck at doing searches because I do not put in the correct wording.
my 98 ranger 3.0 was running. it has sat now for about 3 months with out starting. finally put on a new rack and pinion and went to start it up and have a no start now. it will crank for ever. I pushed the sharder valve on the fuel rail and fuel shot out. can it be the crank sensor? can some one send a video or directions how to test the crank sensor. maybe that is it. when I crank the engine the rpm's do not move. it is dead. the check engine light comes on and the oil pressure gauge goes up. also is their instructions how to test the ignition coil.
thanks
looked here and you tube. found nothing or I just probably suck at doing searches because I do not put in the correct wording.
my 98 ranger 3.0 was running. it has sat now for about 3 months with out starting. finally put on a new rack and pinion and went to start it up and have a no start now. it will crank for ever. I pushed the sharder valve on the fuel rail and fuel shot out. can it be the crank sensor? can some one send a video or directions how to test the crank sensor. maybe that is it. when I crank the engine the rpm's do not move. it is dead. the check engine light comes on and the oil pressure gauge goes up. also is their instructions how to test the ignition coil.
thanks
50/50 test
Spray fuel into the intake, gasoline or Quick Start(ether)
Crank engine
If its starts and dies then no fuel delivery
If it doesn't start then no spark
50/50
If you have a OBD2 reader you can check for codes
The 3.0l has TWO RPM detectors
Crank sensor
CAM sensor
Computer(PCM) compares them, crank sensor is the main one, and it is the only sensor that could cause a no start
But they rarely fail, and PCM would set a code if you were cranking engine and it was only getting a CAM sensor pulse
You can test crank sensor with volt meter set to AC Volts
In 1998 it will have a Grey and Dark Blue wire(black wire is a shield/ground)
Wires run up to top of engine and then to the connector, I think
You can use sewing needles to pierce the wires
You should see .5-1volt AC at 200rpms, cranking speed
There are 3 coils in the coil pack, engine would still start if one coil failed, it would still fire if two coils failed, all 3 failing...................buy a lotto ticket soon, lol
You can test red wire on coil pack, it should show 12v with key on
Spray fuel into the intake, gasoline or Quick Start(ether)
Crank engine
If its starts and dies then no fuel delivery
If it doesn't start then no spark
50/50
If you have a OBD2 reader you can check for codes
The 3.0l has TWO RPM detectors
Crank sensor
CAM sensor
Computer(PCM) compares them, crank sensor is the main one, and it is the only sensor that could cause a no start
But they rarely fail, and PCM would set a code if you were cranking engine and it was only getting a CAM sensor pulse
You can test crank sensor with volt meter set to AC Volts
In 1998 it will have a Grey and Dark Blue wire(black wire is a shield/ground)
Wires run up to top of engine and then to the connector, I think
You can use sewing needles to pierce the wires
You should see .5-1volt AC at 200rpms, cranking speed
There are 3 coils in the coil pack, engine would still start if one coil failed, it would still fire if two coils failed, all 3 failing...................buy a lotto ticket soon, lol
You can test red wire on coil pack, it should show 12v with key on
can i spray gas down the intake? will lthat work?or do I need a can that shoots far?
I hooked up my scanner to try and get rpms when cranking but the scanner says it can not connect or its not supported or something. I have an innova 31703
I hooked up my scanner to try and get rpms when cranking but the scanner says it can not connect or its not supported or something. I have an innova 31703
yes I used the scanner before on the ranger. it was fine. just sprayed starter fluid in the throttle body. it fired up and ran for like 3 seconds or so then died. I pushed the shrader valve on the fuel rail and fuel sprayed out.
If engine started then spark is working, so crank sensor is working
Your fuel injectors are not working if you have fuel in the rail, i.e. schrader valve
There will be a Red wire that daisy chains from one injector to the next, it should have 12volts with key on
Yes, Tach should show RPMs when cranking and that comes from the computer
So starting to look like a computer issue
No injectors
No Tach
No communications
Unhook battery
Remove the large computer connector and inspect it and the pins, looking for corrosion/water intrusion
Your fuel injectors are not working if you have fuel in the rail, i.e. schrader valve
There will be a Red wire that daisy chains from one injector to the next, it should have 12volts with key on
Yes, Tach should show RPMs when cranking and that comes from the computer
So starting to look like a computer issue
No injectors
No Tach
No communications
Unhook battery
Remove the large computer connector and inspect it and the pins, looking for corrosion/water intrusion
that sucks. what year computer can I use if it is the computer? can I use a computer from any other vehicle? what year?
I have the auto in mine. I think it is the 4r44e. I need one of those too. (basically impossible to find)
thank you.
I have the auto in mine. I think it is the 4r44e. I need one of those too. (basically impossible to find)
thank you.
1998 3.0l automatic computer is what you would need
No, no other year for 1998 models, 1997 was lower fuel pressure, 1999 was different cam sensor and had PATS in 3.0l
Just be glad you don't have PATS or you would have to get Ford involved
You need to get the part number off your computer, it will be: F87F-12A650-???
The last set(???) of letters/numbers tells what engine and transmission it is for, you need to match that if possible
There will also be a Stamped number/letter on the label thats the software version that was loaded at the factory
Yes, 1998 3.0l Ranger would use the 4R44E automatic, why do you need a new one?
1995-2000 3.0l used 4R44E
No, no other year for 1998 models, 1997 was lower fuel pressure, 1999 was different cam sensor and had PATS in 3.0l
Just be glad you don't have PATS or you would have to get Ford involved
You need to get the part number off your computer, it will be: F87F-12A650-???
The last set(???) of letters/numbers tells what engine and transmission it is for, you need to match that if possible
There will also be a Stamped number/letter on the label thats the software version that was loaded at the factory
Yes, 1998 3.0l Ranger would use the 4R44E automatic, why do you need a new one?
1995-2000 3.0l used 4R44E
ok. I will look at the computer.
I need a tranny. I asked questions a while ago. my reverse went out. no reverse. can not find a tranny either. I think I will try to rebuild myself. just trying to get it going and drive it till I get tranny fixed.
I need a tranny. I asked questions a while ago. my reverse went out. no reverse. can not find a tranny either. I think I will try to rebuild myself. just trying to get it going and drive it till I get tranny fixed.
little confused. I sprayed starter fluid in the intake. it started. would it not start regardless of what is wrong with the engine. even it the crank sensor was bad. I sprayed starter fluid to start. would the fluid not just by pass the crank sensor and make it start.
ok. just checked injectors. I pulled the pig tail off the injector. I stuck the red lead into the side with the red wire and the black lead into the side with the white wire. I got 12v with key to the position right before you turn it to start.
is their anything I can check from the computer wiring to see what the problem may be. or do you just say replace the computer. I just am scared to spend the money and it still not start. I guess it could be something else as well besides the computer.
pins on computer looked good/ looked bran new. their was water that did get where the computer sits. it was under the computer and dried white. like when winter comes with salt and the water dries but leaves the salt after. that's what it looks like
You can open the computer, warranty is over, lol, have a look inside for burnt or discolored areas
Crank sensor is at the front of the engine next to the crank pulley
When crank turns the crank sensor sends a pulse to the computer, its a timing pulse to tell it when #1 cylinder is at TDC(top dead center) so computer knows when to Spark and when to open injectors.......for all 6 cylinders
If engine starts with starting fluid then computer is getting the crank timing pulse
Crank sensor is at the front of the engine next to the crank pulley
When crank turns the crank sensor sends a pulse to the computer, its a timing pulse to tell it when #1 cylinder is at TDC(top dead center) so computer knows when to Spark and when to open injectors.......for all 6 cylinders
If engine starts with starting fluid then computer is getting the crank timing pulse
You can use a 2001-2008 5R44E from a 3.0l, in a 1998-2000 3.0l Ranger, its the same transmission just has 2 extra sensors on the outside which you don't plug in/use
You can not swap the other way i.e. 1998 4R44E into 2002 5R44E but can do it 2002 into 1998, as an example
And no it doesn't make your 1998 a 5-speed, lol, 5R44E is same transmission as 4R44E, the 5th gear is just 1st with OD on, a faux 2nd gear, made possible by computer software, and no you can't use newer computer in 1998, other changes prevent that
You may have to swap over your DTR Sensor, just have to check the plug in on the 5R44E's DTR sensor, this is the sensor on the shifter, drivers side trans
If you can't "talk" to the computer its a pretty good sign computer is bad
You want to match the -AAB at the end of the part number, this denotes 3.0l and automatic, but there are other 3.0l/auto ending numbers
The larger Stamped number, JTC1, is the software version loaded at the factory during assembly, which is important, but older or newer will work fine
Ford NEVER released any info on these numbers, computer resellers can often use your VIN to get matching computer and load correct software
You can not swap the other way i.e. 1998 4R44E into 2002 5R44E but can do it 2002 into 1998, as an example
And no it doesn't make your 1998 a 5-speed, lol, 5R44E is same transmission as 4R44E, the 5th gear is just 1st with OD on, a faux 2nd gear, made possible by computer software, and no you can't use newer computer in 1998, other changes prevent that
You may have to swap over your DTR Sensor, just have to check the plug in on the 5R44E's DTR sensor, this is the sensor on the shifter, drivers side trans
If you can't "talk" to the computer its a pretty good sign computer is bad
You want to match the -AAB at the end of the part number, this denotes 3.0l and automatic, but there are other 3.0l/auto ending numbers
The larger Stamped number, JTC1, is the software version loaded at the factory during assembly, which is important, but older or newer will work fine
Ford NEVER released any info on these numbers, computer resellers can often use your VIN to get matching computer and load correct software
Last edited by RonD; Aug 9, 2019 at 08:49 AM.
From a quick look the F87F-12A650-AAB was also used with Manual transmission 3.0l Rangers but that was just one listing, and wouldn't work for your automatic vehicle
FS1 looks like they can load the factory software on the correct computer
FS1 looks like they can load the factory software on the correct computer
OK found nothing at the junkyard. All other years except for a 98 3.0 automatic. That’s how it goes. Have you ever heard of the computers being tested? I guess there’s a couple parts stores around here that you can hook the computer up to and they will tell you if it’s working or not. Is that accurate enough


