Intake?
I dont understand why this topic is still under debate. Its simple.
#1: KN intakes draw HOT air, even if its the plastic tube model (ie its not a CAI!!) This is the most negative aspect off all these intakes.
#2: the intake is NOT what limits the engines ability to draw air! The stock intake does not limit any air being drawn into the engine!
#3: All these things do is make a sucking sound when you drop the hammer... Is that worth it for the price? i dunno...
#1: KN intakes draw HOT air, even if its the plastic tube model (ie its not a CAI!!) This is the most negative aspect off all these intakes.
#2: the intake is NOT what limits the engines ability to draw air! The stock intake does not limit any air being drawn into the engine!
#3: All these things do is make a sucking sound when you drop the hammer... Is that worth it for the price? i dunno...
I dont understand why this topic is still under debate. Its simple.
#1: KN intakes draw HOT air, even if its the plastic tube model (ie its not a CAI!!) This is the most negative aspect off all these intakes.
#2: the intake is NOT what limits the engines ability to draw air! The stock intake does not limit any air being drawn into the engine!
#3: All these things do is make a sucking sound when you drop the hammer... Is that worth it for the price? i dunno...
#1: KN intakes draw HOT air, even if its the plastic tube model (ie its not a CAI!!) This is the most negative aspect off all these intakes.
#2: the intake is NOT what limits the engines ability to draw air! The stock intake does not limit any air being drawn into the engine!
#3: All these things do is make a sucking sound when you drop the hammer... Is that worth it for the price? i dunno...
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I dont understand why this topic is still under debate. Its simple.
#1: KN intakes draw HOT air, even if its the plastic tube model (ie its not a CAI!!) This is the most negative aspect off all these intakes.
#2: the intake is NOT what limits the engines ability to draw air! The stock intake does not limit any air being drawn into the engine!
#3: All these things do is make a sucking sound when you drop the hammer... Is that worth it for the price? i dunno...
#1: KN intakes draw HOT air, even if its the plastic tube model (ie its not a CAI!!) This is the most negative aspect off all these intakes.
#2: the intake is NOT what limits the engines ability to draw air! The stock intake does not limit any air being drawn into the engine!
#3: All these things do is make a sucking sound when you drop the hammer... Is that worth it for the price? i dunno...
#4: K&N air filters WILL pass dirt and oil, so you risk damage to your MAF sensor, IAC valve, and throttle body.
And I'm sure all of you know Rich (wydopnthrtl) who just loves "performance mods". After what he has to say about K&N intakes below, why would he, or anybody else buy one?
Check out this thread:
https://www.ranger-forums.com/forum2...t=K%26N+intake
Here is post # 17 from Rich, who claims to be a big fan of aftermarket intake kits:
I'm a big fan of aftermarket intake kits. (have one on my Ranger) But only because of high rpm power increases. If your not interested in 5000+ rpms.. don't waste your money.
You won't see a MPG increase as compaired to a properly working OEM setup.
You will *likely* increase the amount of grit entering the intake.
You very well might have the warrenty denied.
And your pretty much waisting money for a daily driver.
You won't see a MPG increase as compaired to a properly working OEM setup.
You will *likely* increase the amount of grit entering the intake.
You very well might have the warrenty denied.
And your pretty much waisting money for a daily driver.
You nailed it pretty well Keith, just one addition:
#4: K&N air filters WILL pass dirt and oil, so you risk damage to your MAF sensor, IAC valve, and throttle body.
And I'm sure all of you know Rich (wydopnthrtl) who just loves "performance mods". After what he has to say about K&N intakes below, why would he, or anybody else buy one?
Check out this thread:
https://www.ranger-forums.com/forum2...t=K%26N+intake
Here is post # 17 from Rich, who claims to be a big fan of aftermarket intake kits:
#4: K&N air filters WILL pass dirt and oil, so you risk damage to your MAF sensor, IAC valve, and throttle body.
And I'm sure all of you know Rich (wydopnthrtl) who just loves "performance mods". After what he has to say about K&N intakes below, why would he, or anybody else buy one?
Check out this thread:
https://www.ranger-forums.com/forum2...t=K%26N+intake
Here is post # 17 from Rich, who claims to be a big fan of aftermarket intake kits:
Also my truck normally sees full throttle and high RPM once or twice a day. When I pull onto a freeway I drive like I'm getting onto a freeway not like I'm pulling into a drivethru.
I dont understand why this topic is still under debate. Its simple.
#1: KN intakes draw HOT air, even if its the plastic tube model (ie its not a CAI!!) This is the most negative aspect off all these intakes.
#2: the intake is NOT what limits the engines ability to draw air! The stock intake does not limit any air being drawn into the engine!
#1: KN intakes draw HOT air, even if its the plastic tube model (ie its not a CAI!!) This is the most negative aspect off all these intakes.
#2: the intake is NOT what limits the engines ability to draw air! The stock intake does not limit any air being drawn into the engine!
Last edited by whippersnapper02; Feb 24, 2009 at 10:43 AM.
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Once again, you are WRONG! Stock intakes are designed to be as efficient as possible!! Read up on CAFE standards!! The engine displacement, and intakes, intake ports & valves behind the throttle body are what limits the airflow, NOT the air filter, and intake tube!
Why don't you take all the money you save from being boring with your cars and buy a flow bench and some Ranger heads. Do real testing and post up results.
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So why did my 1997 Honda Civic have 2 large boxes with tiny air passage tubes and one small chamber just before the throttle body? Why put those there is they are not trying to quiet the motor down? If there was absolutely no gain from, like absolute 0, from installing an aftermarket intake then no one would buy one and aftermarket intakes would not exist.
Why don't you take all the money you save from being boring with your cars and buy a flow bench and some Ranger heads. Do real testing and post up results.
Why don't you take all the money you save from being boring with your cars and buy a flow bench and some Ranger heads. Do real testing and post up results.
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So why did my 1997 Honda Civic have 2 large boxes with tiny air passage tubes and one small chamber just before the throttle body? Why put those there is they are not trying to quiet the motor down? If there was absolutely no gain from, like absolute 0, from installing an aftermarket intake then no one would buy one and aftermarket intakes would not exist.
Why don't you take all the money you save from being boring with your cars and buy a flow bench and some Ranger heads. Do real testing and post up results.
Why don't you take all the money you save from being boring with your cars and buy a flow bench and some Ranger heads. Do real testing and post up results.
There is a lot of aftermarket garbage that doesn't work, still being sold, like Tornadoes!!! As long as there are people like you that don't know any better willing to buy the stuff, they will stay in business.......But, I just heard this morning that Crane Cams folded up.
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I'll agree with most, alot of the stuff out there will only lighten your wallet and do little to nothing for power or mileage, I would want to see proof that the SS intakes would not heat up and pass more hot air into the engine and thats bad.
as others have said, CAI's are great unless you see alot of water or mud, even dirt trails, quick way to plug a filter killing mileage, or worse sucking that crap into your engine.
now whats this about Crane cam's folding? would you please post a link about this? I knew there was a recent merger and that can be found here http://cranecams.com/?show=mikroniteAcq
And how did we drag crane cams into a thread on intakes? or this more evil useless aftermarket crap that just sucks cause OEM makes the best stuff going?
for any that dont want to click the link ( if I got it working right) here is the short blurb from Crane's own web site.
CRANE CAMS ACQUIRED BY MIKRONITE® TECHNOLOGIES
Crane Cams, a leading manufacturer of camshafts, valve train and electronic ignition components, has been acquired by Mikronite Technologies Group, Inc. of Eatontown, New Jersey. Mikronite is an industrial technology firm with contracts in the aerospace, automotive, commercial and medical fields. Crane Cams and Mikronite have enjoyed a business association for over a year, utilizing Mikronite’s proprietary surface finishing process on a number of valve train components.
Jeffrey H. Coats, President and CEO of Mikronite and now Executive Chairman of Crane Cams, is pleased to announce that R. Lance Harris has joined Crane Cams as Chief Executive Officer. Coats said, “Lance has a solid track record in operating manufacturing companies engaged in sales, engineering and production of powertrain and driveline products, and will a great asset to Crane Cams.” Prior to joining Crane’s management team, Harris held executive positions at FormTech Industries LLC, GKN, and MascoTech Inc. He started his career as an engineer with General Motors Corporation.
Gene Ezzell, formerly President and CEO of Crane, has now become the President of Mikronite Automotive Technologies and will focus on developing new business for Mikronite in the automotive and industrial fields. All other current Crane Cams personnel will essentially remain in place, and customers should enjoy a seamless transition. The company will continue operations at 530 Fentress Blvd. in Daytona Beach.
Commenting on Crane’s future, Harris said, “We are making a significant investment in inventory, manufacturing capacity, and product development to drive performance at every level. We will demonstrate our commitment to the industry as we execute a strategy that is focused on positioning Crane Cams as a dominant supplier in the marketplace.” The company was founded in 1953 and has accounted for an unprecedented number of industry innovations and racing wins.
as others have said, CAI's are great unless you see alot of water or mud, even dirt trails, quick way to plug a filter killing mileage, or worse sucking that crap into your engine.
now whats this about Crane cam's folding? would you please post a link about this? I knew there was a recent merger and that can be found here http://cranecams.com/?show=mikroniteAcq
And how did we drag crane cams into a thread on intakes? or this more evil useless aftermarket crap that just sucks cause OEM makes the best stuff going?
for any that dont want to click the link ( if I got it working right) here is the short blurb from Crane's own web site.
CRANE CAMS ACQUIRED BY MIKRONITE® TECHNOLOGIES
Crane Cams, a leading manufacturer of camshafts, valve train and electronic ignition components, has been acquired by Mikronite Technologies Group, Inc. of Eatontown, New Jersey. Mikronite is an industrial technology firm with contracts in the aerospace, automotive, commercial and medical fields. Crane Cams and Mikronite have enjoyed a business association for over a year, utilizing Mikronite’s proprietary surface finishing process on a number of valve train components.
Jeffrey H. Coats, President and CEO of Mikronite and now Executive Chairman of Crane Cams, is pleased to announce that R. Lance Harris has joined Crane Cams as Chief Executive Officer. Coats said, “Lance has a solid track record in operating manufacturing companies engaged in sales, engineering and production of powertrain and driveline products, and will a great asset to Crane Cams.” Prior to joining Crane’s management team, Harris held executive positions at FormTech Industries LLC, GKN, and MascoTech Inc. He started his career as an engineer with General Motors Corporation.
Gene Ezzell, formerly President and CEO of Crane, has now become the President of Mikronite Automotive Technologies and will focus on developing new business for Mikronite in the automotive and industrial fields. All other current Crane Cams personnel will essentially remain in place, and customers should enjoy a seamless transition. The company will continue operations at 530 Fentress Blvd. in Daytona Beach.
Commenting on Crane’s future, Harris said, “We are making a significant investment in inventory, manufacturing capacity, and product development to drive performance at every level. We will demonstrate our commitment to the industry as we execute a strategy that is focused on positioning Crane Cams as a dominant supplier in the marketplace.” The company was founded in 1953 and has accounted for an unprecedented number of industry innovations and racing wins.
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It's called air velocity, something you don't know squat about!!!
There is a lot of aftermarket garbage that doesn't work, still being sold, like Tornadoes!!! As long as there are people like you that don't know any better willing to buy the stuff, they will stay in business.......But, I just heard this morning that Crane Cams folded up.
There is a lot of aftermarket garbage that doesn't work, still being sold, like Tornadoes!!! As long as there are people like you that don't know any better willing to buy the stuff, they will stay in business.......But, I just heard this morning that Crane Cams folded up.
Last edited by whippersnapper02; Feb 25, 2009 at 11:01 AM.
I'd listen to FD 30 times over before I even considered performance advice from takeda.
OEM intakes ARE designed to be quiet, and efficient, they are also designed to be cheap.
K&N filters do usually clean better than OEM filters, without being restricting.
I dyno test parts, and tune for a living. I work on cars all day putting out twice the OEM power. I also tune cars and dyno test for OEMs. There are alot of gadgets on new intakes designed to keep sound down, some of which hurts performance.
Putting the cone style intake on a ranger IMO is a cosmetic/audible mod only: (if you don't have a turbocharged ranger, or a ranger with some serious head/valve work.)
OEM intakes ARE designed to be quiet, and efficient, they are also designed to be cheap.
K&N filters do usually clean better than OEM filters, without being restricting.
I dyno test parts, and tune for a living. I work on cars all day putting out twice the OEM power. I also tune cars and dyno test for OEMs. There are alot of gadgets on new intakes designed to keep sound down, some of which hurts performance.
Putting the cone style intake on a ranger IMO is a cosmetic/audible mod only: (if you don't have a turbocharged ranger, or a ranger with some serious head/valve work.)
Just had another thought. Why are bypass valves on turbo charged cars routed back into the airbox? I don't see how it can do anything with emissions since nothing comes out of one but compressed air. Well if you have a healthy turbo then only compressed air comes out.
Oh gee! It must be to keep the engine quiet.
Oh gee! It must be to keep the engine quiet.
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Just had another thought. Why are bypass valves on turbo charged cars routed back into the airbox? I don't see how it can do anything with emissions since nothing comes out of one but compressed air. Well if you have a healthy turbo then only compressed air comes out.
Oh gee! It must be to keep the engine quiet.
Oh gee! It must be to keep the engine quiet.
A closed loop blow off valve is what comes standard in most turbocharged cars that come with a Mass Air Flow Sensor. They are not rerouted back into the airbox but rather just after the MAF in the intake tube. If the MAF reads a certain amount of air and tells the ECU to add a certain amount of fuel based on that and you go and install an open loop BOV the ECU will dump the amount of fuel that exceeds the amount of air your engine is actually getting. Therefore you'll either run really rich or probably not run at all. If you have a closed loop system you need a closed loop bov, unless you either change the ecu to stand alone run a blow thru setup or speed density in which case it doesn't matter what type of bov system you use.
Are you ****ing serious?
A closed loop blow off valve is what comes standard in most turbocharged cars that come with a Mass Air Flow Sensor. They are not rerouted back into the airbox but rather just after the MAF in the intake tube. If the MAF reads a certain amount of air and tells the ECU to add a certain amount of fuel based on that and you go and install an open loop BOV the ECU will dump the amount of fuel that exceeds the amount of air your engine is actually getting. Therefore you'll either run really rich or probably not run at all. If you have a closed loop system you need a closed loop bov, unless you either change the ecu to stand alone run a blow thru setup or speed density in which case it doesn't matter what type of bov system you use.
A closed loop blow off valve is what comes standard in most turbocharged cars that come with a Mass Air Flow Sensor. They are not rerouted back into the airbox but rather just after the MAF in the intake tube. If the MAF reads a certain amount of air and tells the ECU to add a certain amount of fuel based on that and you go and install an open loop BOV the ECU will dump the amount of fuel that exceeds the amount of air your engine is actually getting. Therefore you'll either run really rich or probably not run at all. If you have a closed loop system you need a closed loop bov, unless you either change the ecu to stand alone run a blow thru setup or speed density in which case it doesn't matter what type of bov system you use.
