4.0 ohv compression ?s
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4.0 ohv compression ?s
I have a 98 ranger 4.0 ohv 5 speed manual. I have been tracing a bad bucking/misfire for months. I have replaced almost all fuel and spark parts and I’m sure they are all working. So I looked to compression .I got my hands on a compression tester tonight. I had 150psi on 5 cylinders and 130psi on one. My question is that enough of a loss to cause the whole truck to lose power? It literally feels like the truck is running on 3 cylinders. I have to ride the clutch to get it moving. Thanks
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Yes, compression is power, so low compression will make for low power
150psi is about right, 130 is low, more than 10% but would only cause random misfires
Compression is where you should start, because it fairly black and white, and not intermittent
Then check firing order on coil pack and each spark plug
Coil pack, these are the Matched Pairs, 3/4, 2/6, 1/5
3 4
2 6
1 5
The 5 6 4 side always gets me,very very easy to reverse 2 wires at the coil or the spark plugs
Check it 3 times, then have a friend check it, lol
Don't even want to think of all the HOURS I have wasted, chasing my tail when I had reversed spark plug wires, that I would SWEAR were correct
Misfires from wrong firing order really limit power
A cylinder needs 3 things to Fire
1. Spark, at the right time
2. fuel, in the correct mix with air
3. compression above 65psi<<<< thats running compression, which is about 1/2 of static compression, i.e. compression test is 150psi then running compression is 75psi
Your compression is OK
That leaves 1 and 2
Check spark plug wires, easy to do, also spark plugs on this engine need a big gap 0.054", smaller gap means misfires, too large as well
Fuel is not easy to test, because it is a mix with air, computer does "on the fly" calculations
First thing about FUEL is don't trust it, lol, I have also spent more hours than I care to admit on "Bad Gas", gasoline with too much water in it, low power and misfire, the gas looks OK, smells OK, but is NOT OK
You said you been battling this for awhile so we will assume gasoline is good, but it is an ASSUMPTION
The computer uses MAF sensor, and O2 sensors to calculate air fuel mix but ONLY after engine is warm, say after 2 or 3 minutes from cold start
On cold start computer ignores MAF for the most part, and ignores O2s completely
The computer is programmed at the factory for this 4 LITER engine, so it "knows" how many LITERS of air are being sucked in at any RPM and any throttle position, its JUST MATH
Computer then adds fuel based on that air flow.
In 1998 Computer expects 55psi fuel pressure at the injectors, so it bases open time of an injector on that, if fuel pressure is only 20psi then not enough fuel flows in
That should set a LEAN Code
Do you have any CODES now or have you had any Codes in the past?
Does the Check Engine Light(CEL) work?
Should come on with the key
What the computer doesn't know is the WEIGHT of the air, it varies by elevation and temperature, and the WEIGHT is important because the air:fuel ratio for gasoline is 14.7:1 and that's a WEIGHT RATIO
14.7 pounds of air gets 1 pound of gasoline mixed in
14.7 grams of air gets 1 gram of gasoline mixed in
So unplug the MAF sensor and see if engine operation changes
Thats the point of the MAF sensor, it measures the WEIGHT of the incoming air
And there also an air temp sensor to back that up.
MAF also only samples 10% of the air, if if its off just a little thats a big change in weight
Also unplug the Cam sensor, at a different time, to see if you have better running
These sensors rarely fail but are often replaced
ECT sensor can be replaced as they do get wonky, they usually cause Rich running, or bogging after full warm up
150psi is about right, 130 is low, more than 10% but would only cause random misfires
Compression is where you should start, because it fairly black and white, and not intermittent
Then check firing order on coil pack and each spark plug
Coil pack, these are the Matched Pairs, 3/4, 2/6, 1/5
3 4
2 6
1 5
The 5 6 4 side always gets me,very very easy to reverse 2 wires at the coil or the spark plugs
Check it 3 times, then have a friend check it, lol
Don't even want to think of all the HOURS I have wasted, chasing my tail when I had reversed spark plug wires, that I would SWEAR were correct
Misfires from wrong firing order really limit power
A cylinder needs 3 things to Fire
1. Spark, at the right time
2. fuel, in the correct mix with air
3. compression above 65psi<<<< thats running compression, which is about 1/2 of static compression, i.e. compression test is 150psi then running compression is 75psi
Your compression is OK
That leaves 1 and 2
Check spark plug wires, easy to do, also spark plugs on this engine need a big gap 0.054", smaller gap means misfires, too large as well
Fuel is not easy to test, because it is a mix with air, computer does "on the fly" calculations
First thing about FUEL is don't trust it, lol, I have also spent more hours than I care to admit on "Bad Gas", gasoline with too much water in it, low power and misfire, the gas looks OK, smells OK, but is NOT OK
You said you been battling this for awhile so we will assume gasoline is good, but it is an ASSUMPTION
The computer uses MAF sensor, and O2 sensors to calculate air fuel mix but ONLY after engine is warm, say after 2 or 3 minutes from cold start
On cold start computer ignores MAF for the most part, and ignores O2s completely
The computer is programmed at the factory for this 4 LITER engine, so it "knows" how many LITERS of air are being sucked in at any RPM and any throttle position, its JUST MATH
Computer then adds fuel based on that air flow.
In 1998 Computer expects 55psi fuel pressure at the injectors, so it bases open time of an injector on that, if fuel pressure is only 20psi then not enough fuel flows in
That should set a LEAN Code
Do you have any CODES now or have you had any Codes in the past?
Does the Check Engine Light(CEL) work?
Should come on with the key
What the computer doesn't know is the WEIGHT of the air, it varies by elevation and temperature, and the WEIGHT is important because the air:fuel ratio for gasoline is 14.7:1 and that's a WEIGHT RATIO
14.7 pounds of air gets 1 pound of gasoline mixed in
14.7 grams of air gets 1 gram of gasoline mixed in
So unplug the MAF sensor and see if engine operation changes
Thats the point of the MAF sensor, it measures the WEIGHT of the incoming air
And there also an air temp sensor to back that up.
MAF also only samples 10% of the air, if if its off just a little thats a big change in weight
Also unplug the Cam sensor, at a different time, to see if you have better running
These sensors rarely fail but are often replaced
ECT sensor can be replaced as they do get wonky, they usually cause Rich running, or bogging after full warm up
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Compression
Yes I’ve had check engine codes. They jump back and forth between bank one lean and bank two lean and bank one rich and bank two Rich. I have tried unplugging and cleaning MAF. It misses as soon as I start the vehicle. I have replaced all three O2 sensors and the fuel injectors. I have replaced the fuel filter and injectors. Tested fuel pressure on the rail it’s right about 60. I have also run the truck completely out of fuel since the issue so I’m pretty confident it’s not bad gas. I will check plug wires when I get home later today and cam sensor. Would be nice if it was a plug wire missmatch.
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Take off the Computers plug, on upper firewall, and have a look at the connections, corrosion
Both Lean and rich means there is a computer issue, because of connectors location it can get water inside, hopefully thats the problem, otherwise you may need to new computer
When you ran without the MAF did you get a MAF code?
Also try doing same thing with CAM sensor
You are testing computers "sanity" as well as the sensors
Both Lean and rich means there is a computer issue, because of connectors location it can get water inside, hopefully thats the problem, otherwise you may need to new computer
When you ran without the MAF did you get a MAF code?
Also try doing same thing with CAM sensor
You are testing computers "sanity" as well as the sensors
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