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351 into a Ranger

Ok before you all get excited I am just thinkin about it and need some input.

I have access to a complete 351 out of a 1990 F150 with the trans and trasfercase. The guy that has the truck thinks its an AOD and maybe a NP208?

He said he would help me put it in, has put several engines into trucks/cars. Several 302s in rangers. He races and knows ALOT about engines/cars/trucks.

Any rate there are a few things that I need help on.

I dont need abs no need to worry about that
PATs I am sure this wont work any more right? If not how would I make it start?

I am pretty sure none of my gauges will work, correct?

What else may or may not work? Is it possible to get some of this to interface?

I know there are a ton of questions and things I probably have not thought about. Lets just start with the basics in this thread though.

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If I remember correctly from Bob's swap, your speedo should still work correctly because it is connected to the rear axle. Engine temp and oil pressure should be an easy fix, you could probably get an adapter to incorporate the Ranger's temp sensor and oil pressure sensor into the 351.

The only thing (as far as gauges) that I can see being a problem would be your rpm gauge, I'm not sure about that one.

Would your suspension be able to handle the extra weight up front?
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is the motor EFI?? If it is EFI it has a computer, so I would THINK you should be able to adapt the harness and maybe get some of the guages working... You could... As far as the ignition set up a button to turn the stater over. Guy I went to HS with had a bronco and he would turn the key on to acc. then he would have to push the cigarette lighter in to actually start the truck, the key wouldn't start it, pretty trick i though!
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well my speedo is driven off the transfercase i think... so i know its not the rear axle.

i can get aftermarket gauges to work...

my suspension can handle it.
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is the motor EFI?? If it is EFI it has a computer, so I would THINK you should be able to adapt the harness and maybe get some of the guages working... You could... As far as the ignition set up a button to turn the stater over. Guy I went to HS with had a bronco and he would turn the key on to acc. then he would have to push the cigarette lighter in to actually start the truck, the key wouldn't start it, pretty trick i though!
yeah its EFI, i basically have the whole truck
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well my speedo is driven off the transfercase i think... so i know its not the rear axle.

i can get aftermarket gauges to work...

my suspension can handle it.
What I was trying to say was that with the use of adapters, you most likely wouldn't need to go with aftermarket gauges.
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since it is an EFI truck, like said above, you could adapt your stock wiring harness to the F-150 wiring harness....
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do it... def!! i cant believe this you the person that say you would never do anything but a built 4.0L in it LOL

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That is what I am SLOWLY working on. You are best off converting the 351W to work with Explorer 302 electronics and going that route.

For the engine, you need the following:
- custom cam sensor / oil pump drive. bascially take the cam sensor from a 302 explorer engine and graft on the bottom od the 351W distributor. This is to allow the 5/16" hex drive for oil pump as opposed to the 1/4" hex drive of the 302. Pretty easy for a machine shop to do.
- custom damper / crank pulley / crank position sensor ring. This is tricky. Either A) have an explorer sensor modified to 28oz imbalance for the 351W, B) have the 351W rotating assembly balanced to run the 50oz explorer damper and 28oz flexplate, or C) have a custom assembly made with a 351W damper, 94-95 mustang GT crank pulley (not cobra), and explorer exciter ring with adaptor. I did option B, a buddy of mine did option A and another (Don) did option C. All are acceptable.
- If you have A/C, you will need a custom cross over hose, due to wider spread between the heads.
- Use explorer 302 wiring and sensors with a custom tune.

For mounting, you can use explorer 302 mounts and plates.

You are in MUCH better shape with the SFA, as you can just use a 351W truck ot mustang swap pan, not a custom job like I had to. You can also - potentially - get away wihtout having custom headers. Check out a few of the mustang sets. My main troubles that drove to custom headers were the upper a-arm mounts and the front diff. carrier. You may just have to do some minor frame trimming.

For trans, I recommend getting an explorer 302 transmission (4R70W). It will work with the t-case from your donor or you can get a 1356 / 4406 from a newer F150 / Expedition and it will work with your current dash mounted selector switch!

If you go this route, all options and funtions / gages will work. PATS, cruise, AC, etc.. Most hoses (P/S, radiator, etc.) and cables (cruise / throttle) from explorer will work perfectly.
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THanks Todd I was hoping you would chime in. He didnt make it seem like it would be that hard. I will bring these points up with him. With all that stuff I think it is going to be over budget for this year but i think i will still buy the truck and do it next year.

When you say all this 302 stuff seems like it would just be cheaper to find an explorer and forget the f150

What about fuel stuff? It would be great if I could make all the stuff on the inside work like stock
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Since the gas gauge sender is in the fuel tank that shouldn't be affected right?
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Done with the swap yet?
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Todd, can you post some pics of your 351 setup?

I think I could get away without needing custom headers as well.

Also custom tune on my ranger pcm? or an explorer pcm?
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Also custom tune on my ranger pcm? or an explorer pcm?
you will need to use the PCM from the F-150....
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Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
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Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
too heavy? what? speak up! lol
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after i was done with all my crap.. i wish i woulda went with a simple carbed 351. and left it all easy wiring etc. The 302 is nice but its leaving me wanting more. but i need gears and there are still motor tweaks i need to do for power. but hell superchargers are sweet too
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lol.. lend me 3k and i'll tell you hopw she works!
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lol.. lend me 3k and i'll tell you hopw she works!
How much do you have into your V8 swap.

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how much?... too much!
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exactly, you probably could of went with a t-case for the same amount of money and had better offroad performance.
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i thought you never wanted to do an engine swap?
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hmm i like this one
http://www.stak4x4.com/3speed.htm
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