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so regardless of the year, the expo five oh has plenty of aftermarket potential?
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the 5.0 has ENDLESS potential. there is so much aftermarket support for it its ridiculous. whoever compared it to a 4.0 needs a roundhouse.

id say 5.0 simply because it would be the least amount of work to put it in. itll be hard either way just because. but the 5.4, like everyone has said, is massive. unless you want to shed some inner fender and a few other things, i dont think its logical
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so regardless of the year, the expo five oh has plenty of aftermarket potential?
Yes but the fuel and electrical systems in the 99~2001 Ex are a better match to those in the 2004 Ranger. This is not to say that any year Ex engine is plug and play in a 2004 Ranger though.
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^so would it be better to just find a 5.0 block, then get everything else?

or get the expo with the five oh since it already has the harness/all
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definitely get the harness from the explorer. inside and out. everything you can possibly get from that thing, grab it

i can get you detailed wiring harness diagrams if you need it.
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definitely get the harness from the explorer. inside and out. everything you can possibly get from that thing, grab it

i can get you detailed wiring harness diagrams if you need it.
So the explorer that I took a picture of (I think it was a '96) is a good place to start for a 5.0 swap?

Because if so then shouldnt I purchase the entire vehicle, then sell off what I dont need?

Note: I dont want this to sound like a dream thread. I see a great opportunity.
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The Explorer 5.0 engine and all its peripherals are set up to fit your engine bay because it is a near clone of a 2nd Generation Explorer engine bay. It also comes with better intake manifolds, heads, throttle body, etc. than an HO Mustang. It is the best possible 5.0 for a 98+ Ranger swap.

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So the explorer that I took a picture of (I think it was a '96) is a good place to start for a 5.0 swap?

Because if so then shouldnt I purchase the entire vehicle, then sell off what I dont need?

Note: I dont want this to sound like a dream thread. I see a great opportunity.
Any year can be made to work. I think 99~01 is better for your application. A complete donor is better if you can get it.
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LS motors have been out since 98 fyi, its hard to compare 2 motors that are 13 years apart imo. And btw, the supercharged ls9 still puts out more power than the gt500
Are you serious the LS engine came out in 98? Damn I thought that they came out only about a year or two ago.
How about this engine its way sexier the any LS engine made and it came out in the 1930's
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And by the way the LS9, 37, 75, or the LS100 dont make as much HP then the SUPER SNAKE
LS9=620hp
5.4 Super snake=725hp
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Thanks a lot Bob for your help. I will contact the salvage yard monday to talk a price on the vehicle.
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Yeah I would have to agree. The 5.0 can be easily modified to get alot more ponies and TQ. My granddad and I are putting a 5.0 out of a Mustang into our Falcon. We have only added aluminum heads and a GT 40 intake with stock manifolds. It's pushing almost 400HP according the Mustang guys we've been talking too about our build. Of course our engine is 5.0 HO out of a Mustang. So there is a little difference in output numbers compared to an Exploder 5.0.
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The wiring is no problem now as there is an aftermarket wiring harness that has just a few wires to hook up and its ready to start. Here is the link to it.

RJM Injection Tech 4.6L Harness
bob. you think that this is a good price for someone that would want to attempt the 4.6 swap? how would one get around the PATS or incorporate it. it seems like the above doesn't use it.
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bob. you think that this is a good price for someone that would want to attempt the 4.6 swap? how would one get around the PATS or incorporate it. it seems like the above doesn't use it.
I would get a factory harness from a junkyard engine and set it up using a $10 Ford Wiring Manual from eBay. Whether a powertrain includes PATS is determined by the PCM calibration, not the harness. So PATS would need to be adapted or a custom tune in the PCM should be able to eliminate it. The only possible benefits I see to the aftermarket harness are longer pigtails and [hopefully] simplified instructions.

IMO, there's nothing wrong with swapping a 4.6/5.4 Modular into a Ranger except size. I have yet to see one that did not eliminate the factory A/C and require custom steering mods. Even the 4.6 SOHC is wider than a 5.0 and the DOHC's are way wider.

The Explorer version of the 5.0 is the most compact dressed SBF engine assembly ever and it is a snug but perfect fit in the 98+ Ranger bay. The biggest problem I see with the Ex 5.0 is that it could present problems with registration/emissions inspection in some states on newer Rangers. Ex 5.0 production ran from 96~2001MY and many states require that a swap engine be the same model year (or newer) compared to the vehicle's model year.
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Hey Bob, I just called salvage yard. They don't sell entire vehicles, but they said about 250 bottom dollar for everything out of the engine comp.

Should I worry much about a cracked block or something serious like that?
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You should verify that the engine is OK but how do you do that unless you can hear it run? Even then you can't be 100% sure.

Also, don't forget that we went through that bogus "Cash for Clunkers" program about 15 months ago. Junkyards across the country were filled with Explorers that were traded in under this program and the government REQUIRED that the engines were destroyed internally before leaving the dealer. A lot of good 5.0 Ranger donor engines went away needlessly.
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I pulled about two dozen sets of them heads and every one of them was usable. The machine shop that I use bakes them and the sticks them in a shotabrea machine and they come out looking like new. I have three sets on my vehicals right now (Mustang GT, F150 & Ranger) and have built mant engines and have had them redone and sold them all with no issues ever. Now the bottom end of the engine I would not use as the oil pasages are full of that liqued glass they used to seize the engines and the pistons are frozen in the boars so the only good parts there are the rods andthe crank. Yes I said the Crank as we pulled a couple apart the the cranks were perfect with no ground up journals. We couldnt belive it when we pulled them apart for ourselfs. It was sad to see so many nice cars and trucks in the wrecking yards becuse of the c4c program. F Obama for that!!!
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how are you compliant with yours? could you get a crate from FRPP (get around what year the engine is?) and just use the exploder harnesses, motor mounts and anything else you need?
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I was thinking of purchasing a 5.0 block from a local engine place, then getting everything else out of the sploder.

What do you think Bob?
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Your call. If you want to use the Explorer parts, look for an engine with 50 oz-in imbalance to mount them on. Earlier 302's and many 302-based strokers are set up for 28.2 oz-in imbalance.
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Rwenzing, with Taylor's truck a 2004, what sort of electronic issues would he face. PATS? PCM? Any ideas how he would get around them? Could he still use his stock gauges or would he have to swap in 98-03 gauges?

Lot of questions, but I have not seen a 2004+ 302 swap yet. It be sweet if he could use his gauges and such.

Hope that helps Taylor.
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Go here to check engine swap regulations and select your state. It has all regulations for tires, bumpers, engines, and suspension lifts: Lift Laws | Suspension Lift Laws By State (Updated 9/24/10)
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^yeah that helps a lot! Thanks.

Well NC seems pretty lenient in most departments. This site says that it is unknown if NC has any engine swap laws. Ill check elsewhere.
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Rwenzing, with Taylor's truck a 2004, what sort of electronic issues would he face. PATS? PCM? Any ideas how he would get around them? Could he still use his stock gauges or would he have to swap in 98-03 gauges?

Lot of questions, but I have not seen a 2004+ 302 swap yet. It be sweet if he could use his gauges and such.

Hope that helps Taylor.
X2 ... That's a very good question.
If you want a 5.0 and you have a 2004 + Ranger you have to put the 1998-2003 cluster in your truck. I wish someone could come up with some kind of adapter for us 2004 + Ranger owners.
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Ranger V6 4.0 - 160hp 220ft lbs tq
Explorer V8 5.0- 215hp 288ft lbs tq
He has a 2004 Ranger with the 4.0 SOHC that puts out 207 HP.
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agreed topdog. you posted the OHV not the SHOC specs. ours are at 207hp and 238 ft/tq.
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Rwenzing, with Taylor's truck a 2004, what sort of electronic issues would he face. PATS? PCM? Any ideas how he would get around them? Could he still use his stock gauges or would he have to swap in 98-03 gauges?
Here are a few things to consider. There could be more that I'm not aware of:

To use the stock 98~01 Ex PCM, a 2001~2006 Ranger would need Type B PATS. Type B uses a different transponder key / transceiver module and adds the PATS Module that is not used on the Type E PATS in most 2001+ Rangers. As an alternative, PATS could be calibrated out of the Ex PCM using a custom tune.

The Ranger wiring harnesses changed significantly in 2001 and again in 2004, then again in 2007. Each of these revisions took the electrical system farther from the 98~2000 Ranger which is very similar to the 99~01 Ex. Every major step forward makes the 5.0 Ex swap more complicated electrically. 2007+ was the biggest change because of the introduction of the new 175-pin PowerPC PCM and because virtually every color code was changed throughout the truck.

The 2004+ cluster is an unknown. It has an onboard microprocessor that takes care of the odometer memory. It also interfaces to the Module Communications Network (including the PCM) which 2003-back did not do.

Any 2001+ Ranger with a 5.0 Ex PCM will need changes to the way the speedometer is driven, regardless of whether it uses a mechanical or digital odo cluster.



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If you want a 5.0 and you have a 2004 + Ranger you have to put the 1998-2003 cluster in your truck.
I don't know if that's true or not. To the best of my knowledge, nobody on this forum has tried it with the 2004+ cluster.
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