No heat in the cab when the engine is warmed up
#1
No heat in the cab when the engine is warmed up
hey guys for the past couple of months I've been living with no heater but now that its starting to get cold and the windows fog up i need my heater to work. even if the engine is completely warmed up it still just blows cold air. I've done a little research and it seems like it could be a number of different things and I'm not sure how to narrow it down. I talked to a guy at pep boys and he said that it could be the fan thats stuck or broken. apparently this fan is inside the dash and i'll probably have to remove the dash if i want to fix it. personally, i doubt it could be this fan since the vent and ac still blows air. he also said to check my fuses. all my fuses looked fine. i'd really like to fix this since football seasons over i need a project lol any help or advice would be much appreciated thanks!!!!
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In the engine compartment, on passenger side, there will be 2 hoses going into the firewall, they attach to the heater core inside cab and warm engine coolant should flow thru the core when Heat is selected on the temp control
After engine is warmed up, turn heat to HOT inside and leave engine running, feel both hoses, see if one is warm and the other cold or both cold.
Follow the hoses back towards the engine, you will find a valve with 2 or 4 hoses connected, this is the heat control valve, it is activated by vacuum, but you can often move the valve arm using your finger.
Try moving it then feel if the hoses are warming up.
If it won't move pull off vacuum hose and see if vacuum is present, if so then valve is probably broken, try moving it again, it should not be hard to move at all.
If valve moves and hoses get warm then make sure vacuum is good, should hold finger tight, if no vacuum then could be a few things, check back if thats the case.
If valve and vacuum seem OK and one hose warms up a bit but the others stays cold then you could have a clogged heater core.
You can Back Flush heater core to try and get it cleaned out.
Google: back flush heater core
Lots of videos and pics of how to do it, it isn't model specific, they all work the same way.
After engine is warmed up, turn heat to HOT inside and leave engine running, feel both hoses, see if one is warm and the other cold or both cold.
Follow the hoses back towards the engine, you will find a valve with 2 or 4 hoses connected, this is the heat control valve, it is activated by vacuum, but you can often move the valve arm using your finger.
Try moving it then feel if the hoses are warming up.
If it won't move pull off vacuum hose and see if vacuum is present, if so then valve is probably broken, try moving it again, it should not be hard to move at all.
If valve moves and hoses get warm then make sure vacuum is good, should hold finger tight, if no vacuum then could be a few things, check back if thats the case.
If valve and vacuum seem OK and one hose warms up a bit but the others stays cold then you could have a clogged heater core.
You can Back Flush heater core to try and get it cleaned out.
Google: back flush heater core
Lots of videos and pics of how to do it, it isn't model specific, they all work the same way.
Last edited by RonD; 11-09-2015 at 10:05 PM.
#4
I am having issues as well, I have flushed my heater core, but the only issue that I am having, is that when I disconnected the inlet hose to the heater control valve and thurned the engine on and had the heat set to hot, I had no fluid actually come out of the hose. SO I am wondering why I am not getting any fluid to my heater core.
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#6
I am having issues as well, I have flushed my heater core, but the only issue that I am having, is that when I disconnected the inlet hose to the heater control valve and thurned the engine on and had the heat set to hot, I had no fluid actually come out of the hose. SO I am wondering why I am not getting any fluid to my heater core.
Are you low on fluid?
To check the valve look at the metal arm opposite of where the vacuum line connects to the valve and have someone turn the vehicle from OFF to VENT. You should see the arm move.
To check the blend door drop the glove box and locate the blend door actuator on top of the HVAC box. you will need a "mirror on a stick". There is a 1/4" square hole on the top. move the blend **** form cold to hot to cold and see fi this square hole rotates. If not its your blend door actuator.
#7
ok so I've come to the conclusion that its not the vacuum (works just fine) and the two hoses get hot. so its gotta be the blend door. but the blend door is behind the stereo right? if I'm understanding this right then the blend door is behind the stereo and the actuator is behind the glove box? MORE PICS! thanks!
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ok so I've come to the conclusion that its not the vacuum (works just fine) and the two hoses get hot. so its gotta be the blend door. but the blend door is behind the stereo right? if I'm understanding this right then the blend door is behind the stereo and the actuator is behind the glove box? MORE PICS! thanks!
The white box in front of his ring finger is the actuator.
This is what the blend door looks like. You will never be able to see this unless you dremel the box open.
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hello, I replaced my t-stat on my duratec cause my temp Gauge was pegged on cold and I had just barley warm air with max heat selected. Mine didn't have the sensor on it so it was only 28$ After I got everything put back together I refilled the pressure tank and the engine didn't want to take the antifreeze it eventually sucked some in I had to drive around with the cap loose before I could put anymore in , I finally put as much in it as I took out but the level was low when I started and the pressure tank is full right now so I'm assuming I still have some air pockets in my system ?? My gauge reads right where it should now a little under half but when I'm just idling my heat goes cold/warm when I'm on the gas it's hot. I pulled the vac hose off the valve under the hood with my heat on high and felt no vaccum I remember pulling it off before playing under the hood and felt suction. Any recommendations ?
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hello, I replaced my t-stat on my duratec cause my temp Gauge was pegged on cold and I had just barley warm air with max heat selected. Mine didn't have the sensor on it so it was only 28$ After I got everything put back together I refilled the pressure tank and the engine didn't want to take the antifreeze it eventually sucked some in I had to drive around with the cap loose before I could put anymore in , I finally put as much in it as I took out but the level was low when I started and the pressure tank is full right now so I'm assuming I still have some air pockets in my system ?? My gauge reads right where it should now a little under half but when I'm just idling my heat goes cold/warm when I'm on the gas it's hot. I pulled the vac hose off the valve under the hood with my heat on high and felt no vaccum I remember pulling it off before playing under the hood and felt suction. Any recommendations ?
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hello, I replaced my t-stat on my duratec cause my temp Gauge was pegged on cold and I had just barley warm air with max heat selected. Mine didn't have the sensor on it so it was only 28$ After I got everything put back together I refilled the pressure tank and the engine didn't want to take the antifreeze it eventually sucked some in I had to drive around with the cap loose before I could put anymore in , I finally put as much in it as I took out but the level was low when I started and the pressure tank is full right now so I'm assuming I still have some air pockets in my system ?? My gauge reads right where it should now a little under half but when I'm just idling my heat goes cold/warm when I'm on the gas it's hot. I pulled the vac hose off the valve under the hood with my heat on high and felt no vaccum I remember pulling it off before playing under the hood and felt suction. Any recommendations ?
Just draining from radiator is partial drain.
Draining from radiator and removing thermostat housing hose is full drain.
Here is the procedure for partial drain:
1. Ensure draincock is closed.
2. Fill reservoir to 15 mm above max fill level.
3. Install Cap
4. Start engine and hold at 2,500 RPMS for 8 minutes until the thermostat opens.
5. Maintain 2,500 RPMS for additional 3 minutes.
6. Increase speed to 4,000 and hold for 5 SECONDS.
7. Drop engine speed to 2,500 and hole for 3 minutes.
8. Stop and check for leaks.
For full drain:
1. Draincock closed.
2. Fill to max fill level.
3. Start engine and run for 10 seconds at 2,500 rpm to prime heater circuit then turn engine off.
4. Add coolant to 15 mm above fill line.
5. Do steps 3 through 8 in first section.
6. Repeat 4000 rpms for 5 seconds and 2,500 rpms for 3 minutes.
7. Stop and check for leaks.
8. Verifiy level after 20 minutes of cooling. Top off to max fill line.
#14
I know this is an old thread but my '88 2.3 fuel injected XLT (no A/C) is having similar issues. I don't seem to have a vacuum valve that controls the heat, both lines from the heater core go directly to the water pump on the passengers side. I can get heat in the cab, both lines are warm, but it seems to take a while and once I turn it to "HEAT" the air coming out seems to cool down pretty quickly. I drive about 5 miles to work every day and it seems like it's still cold when I get there. Is it possible that someone has installed the wrong thermostat?
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More likely the heater core is partially blocked and needs to be replaced
Dash temp gauge should come up to about 1/3 to just below 1/2 after 5 to 8 minutes from cold start, that should be coolant temp at 180-190degF in upper engine
Heater hoses and upper rad hose should HOT to the touch
If gauge runs lower then yes, maybe someone installed a 160 or 180degF thermostat, 190-195degF is correct model
With engine warmed up and TEMP slider over at HOT turn fan to high, should get hot air out and it should stay hot
If its getting cooler then move slider to COLD count to 10 then move slider back to HOT
If air gets warmer/hot then cooler again heater core is partially blocked, not enough warm coolant is flowing thru it to keep the air warm
But not hard to change it, and new core not that expensive
Remove the heater hose clamps at the firewall and remove the hoses keep hose ends up so you don't loses too much coolant
In the cab under glove box is a plastic housing has 2 bolt head screws at the lower end just above carpet or mat, and 3 you can see looking up under glove box
Remove the 5 screws
Pull plastic housing back towards you and down
Put a towel down on the floor under heater core as you will spill some coolant usually
In the engine bay push the heater core nipples into the firewall, they can be quite tight after being there for 30 years
Then go back into the cab and pull core back and lower it down, try to keep it straight up to reduce coolant spilling
Just for fun dump out the coolant from old core and then with old core in one hand and new one in the other feel the weight difference, that's how clogged up the old one is with gunk and coolant that can no longer drain out
Google: 1988 ford ranger heater core replacement
There are a few videos
On pretty much any vehicle you should swap the heater hoses around at the firewall every 2 years when you change coolant, or just every 2 or 3 years
This reverses the flow thru the heater core and will help them last twice as long
Dash temp gauge should come up to about 1/3 to just below 1/2 after 5 to 8 minutes from cold start, that should be coolant temp at 180-190degF in upper engine
Heater hoses and upper rad hose should HOT to the touch
If gauge runs lower then yes, maybe someone installed a 160 or 180degF thermostat, 190-195degF is correct model
With engine warmed up and TEMP slider over at HOT turn fan to high, should get hot air out and it should stay hot
If its getting cooler then move slider to COLD count to 10 then move slider back to HOT
If air gets warmer/hot then cooler again heater core is partially blocked, not enough warm coolant is flowing thru it to keep the air warm
But not hard to change it, and new core not that expensive
Remove the heater hose clamps at the firewall and remove the hoses keep hose ends up so you don't loses too much coolant
In the cab under glove box is a plastic housing has 2 bolt head screws at the lower end just above carpet or mat, and 3 you can see looking up under glove box
Remove the 5 screws
Pull plastic housing back towards you and down
Put a towel down on the floor under heater core as you will spill some coolant usually
In the engine bay push the heater core nipples into the firewall, they can be quite tight after being there for 30 years
Then go back into the cab and pull core back and lower it down, try to keep it straight up to reduce coolant spilling
Just for fun dump out the coolant from old core and then with old core in one hand and new one in the other feel the weight difference, that's how clogged up the old one is with gunk and coolant that can no longer drain out
Google: 1988 ford ranger heater core replacement
There are a few videos
On pretty much any vehicle you should swap the heater hoses around at the firewall every 2 years when you change coolant, or just every 2 or 3 years
This reverses the flow thru the heater core and will help them last twice as long
Last edited by RonD; 10-01-2023 at 11:28 PM.
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