overall, which is more reliable
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overall, which is more reliable
i've heard many conflicting opinions on which tranny is better for street/ off-road/ etc... and it seems to just come down to preference
since i'm fine driving with either stick or auto...I will base my decision on reliability.
usually autos fail more often, but i've heard of pressure plate, slave cylinder, and other issues with the manual
i'd like to hear opinions on which will be most RELIABLE with 90% street driving and most of the 10% of off road being in the dunes/desert...no rock crawling or muddin'.
thanks for input.
since i'm fine driving with either stick or auto...I will base my decision on reliability.
usually autos fail more often, but i've heard of pressure plate, slave cylinder, and other issues with the manual
i'd like to hear opinions on which will be most RELIABLE with 90% street driving and most of the 10% of off road being in the dunes/desert...no rock crawling or muddin'.
thanks for input.
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Originally Posted by 3LiterBeater
WoW... You auto guys sure are biased. How the hell you figure autos are "built stronger", I dunno...
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Originally Posted by 3LiterBeater
WoW... You auto guys sure are biased. How the hell you figure autos are "built stronger", I dunno...
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Originally Posted by graniteguy
If I am not mistaken, the towing capacity of a manual ranger is significantly less than an automatic Ranger. I get reminded everytime I smell my clutch burning when I tow my race truck to the track.
Last edited by 3LiterBeater; 08-04-2005 at 04:48 AM.
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Originally Posted by rngprerunner
Auto's are built stronger and will last longer with maintainance (regular fluid/filter changes) An Auto will go well over 100,000 miles with no problems if you treat it good.
Originally Posted by Swoop1156
Well, I drive three 5-speeds, yet I say "auto". I'm the opposite of biased. Look it up online, and get an educated, technical explanation if this isn't good enough. I don't think any of us are master mechanics, and can tell you the operation of every bearing in the torque converter, or this or that.
Last edited by 3LiterBeater; 08-04-2005 at 04:50 AM.
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Originally Posted by 3LiterBeater
How is an auto "built stronger"... seems like a pretty bold statement to me. How do they last longer? Shouldn't a manual go well over 100,000 miles with no problems if you treat it good? You may have had a valid argument if we were comparing my 5 speed against a TH400 or something, but your auto is still a small, light duty tranny just like mine...
Simple fact is Autos ARE built stronger. They have to be. Autos run such high presures with so much stress on the internals that they are tough. The 5R55E might be a light duty trans, but so is the manual in our light duty trucks.
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Sometimes the burden of proof is on the naysayer, not the ones offering their opinions based on experiences.
I too believe Auto's are stronger. Mostly because it's soo easy for someone to drive a manual improperly, but both types can be abused.
For 90% street and 10% off-roading, automatic is still the preferred method. I know, in the first 100 miles of my first Ranger (3.0l manual) I got trapped on the highway that drives by the Dallas Cowboy stadium on Sunday. Yes, it was a highway turned parking lot, and I think I fully broke in that clutch right then and there.
Manuals are fun to drive. Nothing more satisfing than droping a gear or two and letting those RPM's soar exactly the way you want them to.
But if you're on the trail or just scooting around town, in traffic, or up hill or downhill, automatics win hands down in reliability and smoothness. Manuals are just more fun. Racing is the only place a manual is better suited.
I too believe Auto's are stronger. Mostly because it's soo easy for someone to drive a manual improperly, but both types can be abused.
For 90% street and 10% off-roading, automatic is still the preferred method. I know, in the first 100 miles of my first Ranger (3.0l manual) I got trapped on the highway that drives by the Dallas Cowboy stadium on Sunday. Yes, it was a highway turned parking lot, and I think I fully broke in that clutch right then and there.
Manuals are fun to drive. Nothing more satisfing than droping a gear or two and letting those RPM's soar exactly the way you want them to.
But if you're on the trail or just scooting around town, in traffic, or up hill or downhill, automatics win hands down in reliability and smoothness. Manuals are just more fun. Racing is the only place a manual is better suited.
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My auto had to be rebuilt at 44k
Based on that, I'm not sure if i want another auto...but the lazy factor, plus they do well offroad..but so will a manual...and a manual you can rock back and forth to get unstuck easier than an auto
Sidenote: why are manuals better for racing? Because you control the shift points? Couldnt an auto be adjusted to shift different shift points dont know for sure...asking. but an auto can shift faster than any human on a manual...so why are manuals better for racing? that's probably an arguement similar to big displacement v8s vs turbo charged 4cyl. and maybe we should let it be so it doesnt go completely off topic.
as i said, my auto got fried at 44k and it cost close to 2k to repair...didnt have the ext warranty unfortunately...heat will kill an auto. something else to think about.
Based on that, I'm not sure if i want another auto...but the lazy factor, plus they do well offroad..but so will a manual...and a manual you can rock back and forth to get unstuck easier than an auto
Sidenote: why are manuals better for racing? Because you control the shift points? Couldnt an auto be adjusted to shift different shift points dont know for sure...asking. but an auto can shift faster than any human on a manual...so why are manuals better for racing? that's probably an arguement similar to big displacement v8s vs turbo charged 4cyl. and maybe we should let it be so it doesnt go completely off topic.
as i said, my auto got fried at 44k and it cost close to 2k to repair...didnt have the ext warranty unfortunately...heat will kill an auto. something else to think about.
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I won't buy an auto. I LIKE having teh option to downshift in the snow. I like having the option to tac up and launch, I like havingthe option to change gears when I want to :) .
Case strengths vary. Theres NO automatic case built like a Liberty-Manual Case. Billy Gliddon ran one in the Pro 5.0 class and EVERYONE complained.
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Case strengths vary. Theres NO automatic case built like a Liberty-Manual Case. Billy Gliddon ran one in the Pro 5.0 class and EVERYONE complained.
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Well, I've been driving since 1959, and based on the considerable experiences that I and my family, friends, and neighbors have had in all that time, in my opinion autos have more that can go wrong with them, more does in fact go wrong with them, and they are more expensive to fix. As to clutches, anyone who has to replace the clutch several times during the course of owning a vehicle either is abusing the clutch and vehicle or does not know how to use a clutch. I've had several cars and trucks that I drove 60,000-100,000 miles or more without ever having to put a clutch in. That includes, in the past 20 years, a new 81 Toyota pickup with over 130,000 miles on it when I sold it, a new 90 Dodge pickup with over 120,000 miles on it when I gave it to one of my sons, and a 79 Dodge pickup that I bought used and drove more than 100,000 miles before I gave it to another son. In fact, I can't remember ever having to replace a clutch on any manual trans vehicle I've owned.
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If it matters any, i have an auto and nearly traded for a manual even after the rebuild. but didnt want to go through the hassle of switching vehicles and figured if it's been rebuilt it's fixed and better off. yeah, well not so sure about that :)
but if you want to make your decision on repair issues, a manual has less parts and less ways to fail and costs a lot loss to repair or replace.
but if you want to make your decision on repair issues, a manual has less parts and less ways to fail and costs a lot loss to repair or replace.
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Originally Posted by rngprerunner
While with the auto you will be doing a fluid/filter change every 50,000 miles.
It's true, in the Ranger's case, throwout bearing/slave cylinder combo seem to be a weak point. I've heard the Mazda trans itself is fairly weak, although I've never had any problems w/ it myself. My first Ranger, a 2.5L powered 4x2 manual ran strong for 50k miles before I traded it w/o so much as a hickup from the entire drivetrain. Meanwhile I ended up getting a new slave cylinder/throwout bearing under warranty at only $12k miles on my new truck. While they had it apart, I got a new clutch too. Does that indicate that the manual is a POS? Maybe.. I can't say for sure. My issue struck me more as a manufacuring defect as they had a TSB and a 'new' part to fix the issue. And it largely has. I've got ~26k on the clock now and haven't had any substantial problems since.
We've got folks in our ranks that have milked well over 100k out of a clutch, replaced it, and moved on for many more miles w/ a stick. Conversely we also have folks in our ranks who have been trhough warranty hell dealing w/ mysterious mechanical and sometimes electrical problems w/ thier autos. The door does really seem to swing both ways on this one.
And we've discussed the the discrepency in towing capacity here before. Some say that the test used to set the capacity favors the auto. If you are careful, it is commonly thought that you can safely exceed the rated capacity for limited use. .. That said, the Ranger is not an ideal towing platform. If you need to tow a lot often, the Ranger probably isn't the truck for you, regardless of transmission!
Ford seemed to think the manual trans is fine though, as they've been equipping Rangers w/ this transmission since 1988!!! It can't be all that bad..
Originally Posted by Mnemonic
I too believe Auto's are stronger. Mostly because it's soo easy for someone to drive a manual improperly, but both types can be abused.
And you're exactly right. I could trash and auto in less than 10k miles if I put my mind to it.. just as someone that doesn't have a clue how to use a manual could..
Originally Posted by Mnemonic
I got trapped on the highway that drives by the Dallas Cowboy stadium on Sunday. Yes, it was a highway turned parking lot, and I think I fully broke in that clutch right then and there.
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Even if you do end up needing a new clutch.. how bad is a new clutch anyhow? Especially on a 2WD truck, that really isn't all THAT hard of a job.. and therefore shouldn't be too expensive. I wonder how the ecconomics of swapping two clutches in @ 60k each compares to rebuilding or replacing an entire auto trans @ 120k each? .. Then add all those fluid/filter changes and flushes..
I ultimately think the auto is more popular in the Ranger for the same reason why it is more popular in every other non-sports car sold in the US: because people are lazy! Nobody wants to be bothered to shift anymore.
I think the latest the Rager auto trans is a marvel of reliability (compared to older autos). As of such I think the two trans are ultimately just about on par for reliability.
Chose one or the other for some other reason, be-it performance, efficiency, ease of use, whatever...
I ultimately think the auto is more popular in the Ranger for the same reason why it is more popular in every other non-sports car sold in the US: because people are lazy! Nobody wants to be bothered to shift anymore.
I think the latest the Rager auto trans is a marvel of reliability (compared to older autos). As of such I think the two trans are ultimately just about on par for reliability.
Chose one or the other for some other reason, be-it performance, efficiency, ease of use, whatever...
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Originally Posted by NHBubba
50k? I don't have my manual handy (rode the bike today) but I was certian it was more frequent than that. ... RPS shows that Ford recommends fluid and filter changes every 24k miles/24 mo for both the 4-banger and 3.0L (they don't have a maintenance schedule online for the 4.0, but I've gotta believe it's the same).
Even still, 70bucks for a filter/fluid change isnt bad. Do that twice in 50k your spend 140bucks, do one clutch or slave cylander for 400 in 50k...
(I need to knock on wood now...)
I think the latest the Rager auto trans is a marvel of reliability (compared to older autos). As of such I think the two trans are ultimately just about on par for reliability.
Chose one or the other for some other reason, be-it performance, efficiency, ease of use, whatever...
Chose one or the other for some other reason, be-it performance, efficiency, ease of use, whatever...
My friend just had a clutch done, $400. Its not a 'difficult' job if you've got the tools. But doing it in the drive way would not be fun...
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Originally Posted by sawred
$400 for a clutch vs $1900 for an auto rebuild
How many people actually keep a car/truck long enough for the trans to go out? On average that is, I know there are special cases when they go for no reason, or are abused.