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You should give it a good scrubbing..!! I heard washing a vehicle can be good from time to time, lol.. :-D
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i got a 302 sitting in a garage, but im wanna build a rat rod
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You should give it a good scrubbing..!! I heard washing a vehicle can be good from time to time, lol.. :-D
Yes I know (L.O.L). This is a good truck as it is but I feel that something is missing from it power wise. I usually run with the tailgate down but I closed it for the purpose of the photo. it looks good don't it.
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I see parts of a truck. Do you have any of the whole truck in one photo?
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Hahahaha! "800whp straight motor" lol how will this be accomplished with a stroked low comp 302? jw, not saying you wont have a ridiculous "track" terror with v8s and turbos and headers en such, just sounds like a bit of a wast for a ford ranger why not just buy a second car that's already turbo, and save your truck for moving furniture and piles of rocks?
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Hahahaha! "800whp straight motor" lol how will this be accomplished with a stroked low comp 302? jw, not saying you wont have a ridiculous "track" terror with v8s and turbos and headers en such, just sounds like a bit of a wast for a ford ranger why not just buy a second car that's already turbo, and save your truck for moving furniture and piles of rocks?
Very simple really, a little trick I learned from Nascar Tech. They Use a mandated 351 block but they stroke the bejesus out of it. And you also forget that Nascar no longer uses racing fuel and they gained HP by switching to unleaded fuel. Plus Due to the turbocharging I have to use special internal components. after looking at what I have to do to my truck, I may find an old 80's model Ranger as a donor and do it that way. Still undecided yet if that's the route i'm going. Alot of people can get well OVER 1000 HP out of a 302 engine dude. Just go to a local dirt track here in VA and see for yourself. Better than that just visit this link: www.nelsonracingengines.com and go to the watch the videos link. Under the test drive engine dyno and see the video for a 4.3 liter V6 turbo charged section. That engine with 24 LBS of boost is pushing nearly 1,300 HP.
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I see parts of a truck. Do you have any of the whole truck in one photo?
I'll post one for you this weekend after I finish detailing it. I wanted to do it today but from where I had to work this past friday and due to the weather, I was too tired and I slept too late as well.
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Hahahaha! "800whp straight motor" lol how will this be accomplished with a stroked low comp 302? jw, not saying you wont have a ridiculous "track" terror with v8s and turbos and headers en such, just sounds like a bit of a wast for a ford ranger why not just buy a second car that's already turbo, and save your truck for moving furniture and piles of rocks?
Oh, I forgot to mention this earlier. 9.5:1 is NOT A LOW COMPRESSION RATIO. That means with this CR i'll have to use the supreme unleaded. The new Supercharged Shelby Mustangs have to run supreme unleaded fuel and they run the same cr. That came from the actual service manual that dealers use in repairing these cars. 2 manuals come with each vehicle that is sold here and every where in the world. An owners manual and service manual. The service manual most people never see outside the dealership or service repair shops. And those go out first before the vehicle even arrives on the lot. In fact alot of Techs and sales people have to take additional classes on it before They're even allowed to sell or repair it. It happens each and every year. Just go to any local ford dealer and ask questions.
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Yes I know but can't quit. damn it man. Thanks dude. It will be even better looking this weekend after I finish detailing it.
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OMG Dear jesus...

Well I went on www.jegs.com to see what they had in terms of Fuel Injection systems and carbs. THEY'VE FINALLY DONE IT. They now have a Carb that can and has been used in turbocharging. It's called the Mighty Demon "Blow Through" Carb with Downleg boosters. It's rated at 850 cfms and they even have the fuel pump that goes with it. What took them so long, we'll never know but A Carb that can handle up to about 50 lbs of boost is amazing. usually the best kind if carb that was used in Forced Induction systems was for a supercharger and can handle up to about 15 lbs of boost (the most that I've seen out of a supercharger). But now they've opened the door for more younger people to learn more about carbs. Fuel Injection is best for economy purposes. Racing systems that use this usually LOSE POWER ON THE TOP END. Even with meaner injectors that really doesn't help much without additional components. The Carbs however usually gains power on the top end of the RPM range. Engine Masters magazine even did an article about this. There's also been too many dyno sheets that have stated the same thing as well. I aint Knocking Fuel Injection now because there are some F.I. systems that can do extremely well in High RPM situations. I've decided to find either an 80's model ranger or an early 90's model Mazda B2000 4 banger donor truck to begin as soon as I can get every thing I need. That carb versus Fuel Injection, i'll take the carb.
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"Oh, I forgot to mention this earlier. 9.5:1 is NOT A LOW COMPRESSION RATIO. That means with this CR i'll have to use the supreme unleaded. The new Supercharged Shelby Mustangs have to run supreme unleaded fuel and they run the same cr."
WTF? dude your posts ramble sooooo bad! I did not mention fuel grades, and almost any aftermarket boost application will need a higher octane, besides this i would say 9.5:1 is low comp, and why are you dropping engine displacement hp quotes? A Toyota supra 2jz turbo 3.0 motor can make 1300hp I would love to see a ford ranger sohc 4.0 v6 make comparable power, nuff said. I just think this is a bit ambishious for what will really become reality.
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WTF? dude your posts ramble sooooo bad! I did not mention fuel grades, and almost any aftermarket boost application will need a higher octane, besides this i would say 9.5:1 is low comp, and why are you dropping engine displacement hp quotes? A Toyota supra 2jz turbo 3.0 motor can make 1300hp I would love to see a ford ranger sohc 4.0 v6 make comparable power, nuff said. I just think this is a bit ambishious for what will really become reality.
Dude your CR determines what kind of fuel you'll need to run. 10.5:1 CR is damn near racing fuel. you'd have to retard the timing so much that it wouldn't probably get out of it's own way. here's what comes in a stroker kit/ a good turbo kit. Camshaft, rods, pistons (usually 5 cc's flat tops), crankshaft. These components are usually "custom made". Plus if you had read my post a little better you'd understand what I am doing here. Plus this not a this is better than yours type thread. Plus that engine on the website I mentioned earlier went into a dimer dude. And above all else I did mention a donor vehicle and V8 swap in another post. here's the stock CR for the ranger fresh from the factory service manual. 6.8:5. Now that's alot lower than 9.5:1. I aint being disrespectful or anything but it's clear that you don't know much about Compression Ratios, combustion chambers (A.K.A CC's), Valve spring pressures and Chamber Volume. But maybe you should ask 04Blackedge and tell him the response you gave me and see what happens. He's an ASE Certified Master Mechanic of 20+ years and knows for a fact that you're mistaken. Plus a Donor vehicle would be best because of an Unfair V8 swap law here and the anti theft system prevents me from using a 302 in my truck.

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6.8:5 for a stock Ranger huh? That's a new one...

You really need to quit spewing BS and people will actually take you seriously, and not get so annoyed with you. As for your V8 swap law how would they know if you stroked a 302???
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Never seen a stroker kit that came with a camshaft.....
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Stock comp on the 2.3D is 9.8:1, as per the owners manual. CC's are cubic centimeters, the measurement for determining your "chamber volume".

I'm not saying you don't know what you are talkin about, I'm just sayin, I don't know what you're talkin about!
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And just out of curiosity.......Isn't a donor vehicle the one you take a motor OUT of, not the one you put it in?
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If I'm not mistaken stock 302 blocks aren't good for much over 450-500hp with any longevity. The blocks flex too much. If you plan on a bottom end girdle etc I imagine you could go farther. The 302 Boss blocks built in 1969-1970 were strong but are rare of course.

The blocks used in NASCAR are based on the 351 Windsor with 351 Cleveland journal sizes. The heads used in NASCAR are 351C "canted valve" derivitives also.
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An Update....

Well so much for any further updates at this point. This will be the last one posted. I was really wanting to use low CR but that won't be the case. I'm told i'll have around 10.5:1 CR with 72 CC's. The engine builder I'm using said that it. He's wanting me to higher on the CC's but I'm comfortable with 72 CC's. the block will be from DSS Racing. they're trying to get me to buy a "turnkey or Crate engine" but that's too easy.
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6.8:5 for a stock Ranger huh? That's a new one...

You really need to quit spewing BS and people will actually take you seriously, and not get so annoyed with you. As for your V8 swap law how would they know if you stroked a 302???
Who's B.S.ing? And for your information they'll know by the engine code and when I retitle it which I have to do unfortunately. I thought that was the Stock CR dude. I was mistaken about that. But no big deal. You shouldn't put someone down like that dude. That was wrong.
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If I'm not mistaken stock 302 blocks aren't good for much over 450-500hp with any longevity. The blocks flex too much. If you plan on a bottom end girdle etc I imagine you could go farther. The 302 Boss blocks built in 1969-1970 were strong but are rare of course.

The blocks used in NASCAR are based on the 351 Windsor with 351 Cleveland journal sizes. The heads used in NASCAR are 351C "canted valve" derivitives also.
Yep. "O" Reily's priced me one from that era for about $1,340 bucks heads and all. All I want is the block. my 4340 Non twist steel crank is by scat, The heads are from trick flow, The rods are from Wiesco as well as the pistons. The camshaft is from comp cams. The kit I was getting from nelson racing engines just happens to include all of those items in their turbo kit which they sale but it will cost you around $13K.
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And just out of curiosity.......Isn't a donor vehicle the one you take a motor OUT of, not the one you put it in?
Yes and no. The donor vehicle serves 2 purposes in the Hotrod world. The first is what you just mentioned. The 2nd is for complete restoration which could cost pretty much the bank. Alot of Hotrod shods don't usually start from scratch anymore, in fact they'd rather do a resto project with a rolling chassis than build from scratch (Frame and all).
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Never seen a stroker kit that came with a camshaft.....
Well to be honest I haven't either, but alot of these high performance engine companies are starting to do that from where they partner up with camshaft companies to increase their revenues and to offer a "more complete kit" than their competiton. Nelson Racing engines gives you a set of turbos (45 MM), pistons, rods, camshafts, and crankshaft to go with the kit.
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Who's B.S.ing? And for your information they'll know by the engine code and when I retitle it which I have to do unfortunately. I thought that was the Stock CR dude. I was mistaken about that. But no big deal. You shouldn't put someone down like that dude. That was wrong.
Mistaking a 6.8:5 Compression Ratio??? Do you know anything about engines?1.36:1 for CR, huh? I'm not putting you down. I'm telling you to cut the crap. The engine code won't tell anyone about a stroker motor either. It will tell them the original size, that's it. You don't have to retitle it either. I just read all the VA laws on this stuff...
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Mistaking a 6.8:5 Compression Ratio??? Do you know anything about engines?1.36:1 for CR, huh? I'm not putting you down. I'm telling you to cut the crap. The engine code won't tell anyone about a stroker motor either. It will tell them the original size, that's it. You don't have to retitle it either. I just read all the VA laws on this stuff...
you should know by now that this guy is a complete idiot and has no idea what hes talking about
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