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Braking reduced when turning

Ok guys, when I pull into a parking spot and I am braking, it seems that sometimes my brakes are only braking half way, then I push the pedal a little harder and all of a sudden they lock up.... I thought I remember reading about it here before, but I searched and failed...
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abs sensor?

i have a scanner
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rears lock up? or which one locks up?
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sounds like one of his wheel speed sensors is droping out at low speed causing a false abs event, he keeps pushing the pedal through this and then it locks up?
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Front brakes, like when I go flying (maybe 10 mph) into a parking spot, I will brake somewhat, but the pedal feels weird, it I give it a little more pressure its like the brakes catch and then lock....

Mark, I don't have any lights on the dash on, do you still think it needs to be scanned?
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yup, sounds like the common complaint i hear all the time with fords. now all we have to do is figure out what sensor it is. you wont get any abs light nor will it store any abs codes, the only way to find it is with a live data scanner. , what happens is one of the sensors will drop out at 5mph, the computer sees this and then triggers a false abs event, most of the time it happens while parking/turning. this is when the bearing somewhat flexes. i have seen them get so bad they will do it every time when comming to a stop, turning or going straight.
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Is it possible your ABS is actually working properly because of how fast you are careening into the parking space?
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yup, sounds like the common complaint i hear all the time with fords. now all we have to do is figure out what sensor it is. you wont get any abs light nor will it store any abs codes, the only way to find it is with a live data scanner. , what happens is one of the sensors will drop out at 5mph, the computer sees this and then triggers a false abs event, most of the time it happens while parking/turning. this is when the bearing somewhat flexes. i have seen them get so bad they will do it every time when comming to a stop, turning or going straight.
That makes sense to me. Now I bet your going to tell me that the sensor costs a small fortune too, right? LOL....

Fireranger, I don't think so, I bet i wasn't even going that fast (10). It seemed to do it now and again, lately it has been doing it a lot more....
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the sensor is right around 100 bucks, i dought you'll need the entire bearing/with sensor.
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What bearing is it?
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the sensors are mounted to the front hub/bearings, wont know what one is bad untill the scanner is hooked to the truck and is test driven.
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and this is why my truck doesnt have ABS enabled! ABS = more trouble than its worth.
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and this is why my truck doesnt have ABS enabled! ABS = more trouble than its worth.
What makes you say that?
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i think its got something to do with a acident he got into?


maybe hes just ignorant to the fact that ABS saves lives.

ABS is here to stay, all of the new cars and trucks that have roll control/traction control rely on the ABS system.
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I agree with FireRanger, you will stop much faster and handle the truck in more conditions better with the ABS enabled.
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I agree with FireRanger, you will stop much faster and handle the truck in more conditions better with the ABS enabled.


LMAO! much faster?! ABS releases the break pressure, so that the wheels wont lock up. ABS will actually make your vehical stop longer than with out abs. with out abs, your vehical will stop sooner than with abs. All abs does is keeps your wheels turning so that in the event of hard braking your wheels dont hard lock and u lose steering capabilities. that is ALL ABS does. nothing more, nothing less.

However, ABS on my truck is a accident waiting to happen. ABS and the braking system had NO EFFECT at all on my accident. None, zip nada, zero. ABS would NOT have prevented my accident. Nor would it have made the accident less severe. So check your facts before u make stupid comments.

That said, I have found that abs in my truck happens to be WAY to sensitive, since I can make abs kick on in 80F weather, on DRY pavement, with normal braking. ABS in my experience (this ranger is the only vehical i have driven, except for rentals, that has had abs) is bad news. and I will not drive my truck with it enabled. In my experience this is what happens.

when its crappy out doing UNDER the speed limit and need to come to a stop, abs kicks on even under LIGHT braking and releases the brakes. this in turn causes me to loose forward control since now the brakes dont work cause abs has 'locked me out'. I have had some seriously extremely close calls at rear ending other people because abs refused to allow me to step on the brakes.

Infact the last time ABS was on my truck was the spring of 05. I was coming home from school, and the roads were slick with snow, not covered, but slushy. posted speed limit was 40. I was doing about 20mph. about 300ft in front of me traffic was stopped for a light. I stepped on the break to slow down when abs ki9cked in and removed all braking power. at this point im rolling with NO BRAKES - thanks ABS. Due to my quick thinking, i turned the weel to the right, jumped the curb, and stopped on the lawn of Wendy's. THAT is the day i disabled ABS.

I grew up and learned how to drive on vehicals with out ABS. I have always driven vehicals without abs. I have NEVER been in a situation without abs where the **** was even close to hitting the fan. Yet, I get this truck, and all of a sudden this thing doesnt stop for crap in the rain, snow, or anything except dry pavement, and even then its a toss up. ABS has put me into some very very stressful situations very fast due to the simple fact that abs RELEASES the brakes so that u, the driver can maintain control - but how do u maintain control with no brakes?

I have driven an 05F150 crew cab rental in the snow, and did not experience the difficulties like i have with my ranger regarding abs.

I have had my truck in the dealer under warranty on NUMEROUS occasions regarding the over sensitivity of the ABS and they have down played it each time. As a result, I will not drive my truck with ABS enabled. And since disabling ABS, i have not had any close calls resulting from braking in ANY kind of weather.
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wow i am exhausted after reading all of that lol.

let me know if you want to use my scanner chris, i'll bring it home from work tomorrow and keep it in my truck for a few days.
i could even send daniel up to the shop today and get it if you want?
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Dave, its quite obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to ABS. You are the one who should do some research and nobody here but you has made stupid comments about it. Its your loss driving without them.
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Thanks Mark, I will let you know, I am supposed to be on your side of town this weekend!
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Dave, its quite obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to ABS. You are the one who should do some research and nobody here but you has made stupid comments about it. Its your loss driving without them.
With all due respect...........the Ranger's ABS sucks.

My old(burnt) truck had the abs disable switch and it was hardly ever on(abs enabled). I grew up and learned to drive on 79-86 f150's and bronco's, without abs. My current truck hasn't had the abs messed with and I took the family camping two weekends ago. I almost missed my turn into the state park so I nailed the brakes so get slowed down real quick as no one was behind me. Guess what happened? I'm lucky I didn't fly into the woods when the abs engaged. I need to get my switch panel hooked up asap.
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well atleast im not the only one who thinks the abs in the rangers suck. maybe me AND l2en should do more 'research' into abs, maybe, we should surrender our licenses cause 'we dont know how to brake properly' i mean come on. what are u smoking?

if you love your truck you wont leave ABS enabled

and if you bothered to test it in a parking lot, you will see, clear as day (in the snow) that your wheels TURN more than they stop (skid) under hard braking. which means, if u cant steer out of an incoming collision, ur screwed. Ill stick to pumping my brakes - thanks.
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And that is your loss. But if it makes you happy, then don't let the rest of us stop you.
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Its your loss driving without them.
not to mention that if you t-bone someone and during the investigation they find out that you disabled the ABS on the truck, it is automatically your fault.....<--seen that happen a couple time......

you guys that disable your ABS and drive on the road might want to do some state/federal law research before you do it......if i remember correctly, it is a federal crime to tamper with vehicle safety devices....
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last i checked, the truck was mine. i paid for it, i maintain it. what 'right' does the govt have to tell me what i can and can not do with my truck?

But ill keep that in mind. Maybe ill re-enable my abs, and when i rearend someone in the snow, ill sue ford.
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That is the most illogical statement I've heard yet. They have every right to enact and enforce motor vehicle laws for vehicles in use on public roadways. Speeding, color of lights, bumper height, required safety equipment, tires, etc etc. If you don't like it, get some shoes and walk.

If you get in an accident where braking was a factor, I'm sure both your insurance company and the other party's insurance would love to hear you disabled your ABS. Expect to pay everyone's bills plus some extra and you'll probably get dropped too.
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