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last i checked, the truck was mine. i paid for it, i maintain it. what 'right' does the govt have to tell me what i can and can not do with my truck?

But ill keep that in mind. Maybe ill re-enable my abs, and when i rearend someone in the snow, ill sue ford.
your right the truck is yours, but safety of others is the governments responsibility.....they protect me and everyone else from idiots like you....
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If you get in an accident where braking was a factor, I'm sure both your insurance company and the other party's insurance would love to hear you disabled your ABS. Expect to pay everyone's bills plus some extra and you'll probably get dropped too.
any accident that could have been avoided by steering clear with a working ABS system and he will pay also....not just one where he didn't stop.......
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last i checked, the truck was mine. i paid for it, i maintain it. what 'right' does the govt have to tell me what i can and can not do with my truck?
Come on Dave, I know you aren't that naive...
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its not the government he has to worry about, its the "other guys" insurance company and his aturneys (sp)
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point is, the abs in our trucks suck. PERIOD.

fact: u hit the brake in wet conditions abs kicks on, YOU DONT stop.

fact: im not the only one with this problem.

fact: people disable their abs while offroading BECAUSE abs removes break pressure. If you dont believe me, shoot a pm over to that kid in colorado who backed into a tree with his ranger (he bought and f250 i think) because abs would NOT apply the brakes even tho he was probably standing on the break pedal. and yet ur gonna sit there and tell me u stop FASTER with abs? Seriously, are you like, stoned or something?
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The fact that your truck stops better isn't the point, the point they are making is if you get into an accident and they find that you disabled your abs, you will be held responsible (if the issue of braking comes into play)
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fact: u hit the brake in wet conditions abs kicks on, YOU DONT stop.
Wrong. Not a fact. You made that up.

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fact: im not the only one with this problem.
Actually, I think you are the only one, (maybe one of a small majority) that seems to think ABS is some kind of death trap and claiming your vehicle doesn't stop. That is not what this thread was about. This thread was about the turning into a parking space ABS malfunction. So there's another one of your alleged self-proclaimed "facts" that is invalid.

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fact: people disable their abs while offroading BECAUSE abs removes break pressure. If you dont believe me, shoot a pm over to that kid in colorado who backed into a tree with his ranger (he bought and f250 i think) because abs would NOT apply the brakes even tho he was probably standing on the break pedal. and yet ur gonna sit there and tell me u stop FASTER with abs? Seriously, are you like, stoned or something?
Once again, your lack of understanding of an ABS system is clouding your judgment and you are making up facts. Your just wrong and I'll leave it at that because you are obviously not interested in actual facts, just your own.

And BTW, I hardly think you of all people should be accusing me of being stoned.

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um yeah.. im thankful my truck has RWABS, when your on a wet road and you lock up your brakes, i would rather have the ABS then loose control and fly off the road.......
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ABS is for ppl who never bothered/too lazy/too uninterested to know how to actually use their brakes. I still pump my brake and I have abs if that tells you anything.(pointless)


It's a dummy device, plain and simple. One more thing to help you think less

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um yeah.. im thankful my truck has RWABS, when your on a wet road and you lock up your brakes, i would rather have the ABS then loose control and fly off the road.......
That would be your own fault for standing on the brake without abs.



I stand on the brake in my truck and it takes FOREVER to stop, makes scary noises, and makes me not like my truck. I've only ever had to do it twice and in both situations I would've much rather preferred controlling the braking myself. I trust my reaction and judgement more than some module in my truck that obviously has no clue how to function properly.

I've stood on the brake in my dad's f150 when I took it out playing(shhhhh!) and the abs was pretty nice. Nothing like the clumsy, wanna-be abs in my ranger.

Where is Bob? We need some facts here. I'm just stating my personal opinion from driving many a hillbilly old trucks. Maybe I'm wrong for knowing how to use plain old power brakes.

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Travis, you should NOT pump your brakes with ABS. You are correct (in a round about way) ABS helps to make driving safer for people...
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As all of us with rangers know the brakes suck with the abs on ,add some 33s to the equation and its damn scarey, So i'm gonna have to side with the no abs would probably stop u in a shorter distance but who knows its a deal for myth busters if u ask me. But if I had a switch to shut it off I would probably leave it off. Just my 02 cents
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^^^^Thats why they always warn that over sized tires may cause premature brake wear or brake failure...
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LMAO! much faster?! ABS releases the break pressure, so that the wheels wont lock up. ABS will actually make your vehical stop longer than with out abs. with out abs, your vehical will stop sooner than with abs. All abs does is keeps your wheels turning so that in the event of hard braking your wheels dont hard lock and u lose steering capabilities. that is ALL ABS does. nothing more, nothing less.

However, ABS on my truck is a accident waiting to happen. ABS and the braking system had NO EFFECT at all on my accident. None, zip nada, zero. ABS would NOT have prevented my accident. Nor would it have made the accident less severe. So check your facts before u make stupid comments.
there is something wrong with your ABS, not all the rangers have the problems you are mentioning.

I put this silly disable switch in my truck for something to do, i messed around with it several times and in the same area with the same conditions, i proved the ABS does infact help you stop faster.

ABS helps your control the vehicle and stop straight. try without abs you dont stop straight if you slam on the brakes.

if ABS was bad they would not have it on the car. its a fact. its been tested time and time again by design engineers.

I dont want to argue with you. You obviously do not understand.

When you rear end someone let me know how it goes.
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Travis, you should NOT pump your brakes with ABS.
Duh!

I was just saying that I'm too used to regular 'ol power brakes. Pumping your brakes is the equivilant to keeping the wheels from locking up(abs). That's why I said, with abs it's pointless.
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DUH!

You said you do it, I told you you shouldn't because it isn't good for the ABS system. Not because its pointless...
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there is something wrong with your ABS, not all the rangers have the problems you are mentioning.

I put this silly disable switch in my truck for something to do, i messed around with it several times and in the same area with the same conditions, i proved the ABS does infact help you stop faster.

ABS helps your control the vehicle and stop straight. try without abs you dont stop straight if you slam on the brakes.

if ABS was bad they would not have it on the car. its a fact. its been tested time and time again by design engineers.

I dont want to argue with you. You obviously do not understand.

When you rear end someone let me know how it goes.

That's all you 'pro-ABS' ppl are saying.........."Trying slamming on your brakes without ABS"

That kind of thinking is the exact reason why ppl NEED abs. You don't know how to properly use brakes. I guess you don't have to anymore since most vehicles are equipped with some form of abs. It's the same rationing for automatic transfer case motors/switches. The simplicity of using a transfer case is oversighted at the point when you really need it. How often do most ppl utilize 4wd?? When the situation arises and they can't figure it out you can get into a sticky situation. Same with brakes. It's just one way they take the thinking out of driving, that's why we have more idiots on the road.


*Get's even more long-winded*
Let me tell you a story about something I witness in my first winter driving the rig in Jamestown, NY during a NASTY snow storm. I seen a driver fly past me on the highway(a swift driver). I get on the radio and ask him if he's f'ing crazy. He says 'It's alright, my truck and tractor have abs'. I laughed my *** off and kept going down the road following another company driver. Lo and behold six or seven miles down the road the same swift drive had jackknifed and was hanging off the side of his rig as I blew my horn and passed by him. One of the best braking techniques I was taught by my dad was 'stab' braking. You essentially push down the pedal until you feel a skid, release, wait until you gain traction, and repeat. It was said by my CDL school and my dad to be one of the toughest things to do, to be able to judge when the skid starts and instantly release then do it again. I picked it up in a snap knowing what I do about regular 'ol brakes in older vehicles, I even did it in the snow without a problem. I know you're thinking 'well that's a rig, it's a different story'. Yeah it is.....drum brakes and 80k lbs but the scariest thing about it is that I can stop the rig in just about the same distance as it takes to get the ranger to stop except I have full control over braking the rig(i disable the trailer abs and the tractor isn't equipped with abs). I feel I have no control over the Ranger. That's pretty bad....
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That's all you 'pro-ABS' ppl are saying.........."Trying slamming on your brakes without ABS"

That kind of thinking is the exact reason why ppl NEED abs. You don't know how to properly use brakes. I guess you don't have to anymore since most vehicles are equipped with some form of abs. It's the same rationing for automatic transfer case motors/switches. The simplicity of using a transfer case is oversighted at the point when you really need it. How often do most ppl utilize 4wd?? When the situation arises and they can't figure it out you can get into a sticky situation. Same with brakes. It's just one way they take the thinking out of driving, that's why we have more idiots on the road.


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Let me tell you a story about something I witness in my first winter driving the rig in Jamestown, NY during a NASTY snow storm. I seen a driver fly past me on the highway(a swift driver). I get on the radio and ask him if he's f'ing crazy. He says 'It's alright, my truck and tractor have abs'. I laughed my *** off and kept going down the road following another company driver. Lo and behold six or seven miles down the road the same swift drive had jackknifed and was hanging off the side of his rig as I blew my horn and passed by him. One of the best braking techniques I was taught by my dad was 'stab' braking. You essentially push down the pedal until you feel a skid, release, wait until you gain traction, and repeat. It was said by my CDL school and my dad to be one of the toughest things to do, to be able to judge when the skid starts and instantly release then do it again. I picked it up in a snap knowing what I do about regular 'ol brakes in older vehicles, I even did it in the snow without a problem. I know you're thinking 'well that's a rig, it's a different story'. Yeah it is.....drum brakes and 80k lbs but the scariest thing about it is that I can stop the rig in just about the same distance as it takes to get the ranger to stop except I have full control over braking the rig(i disable the trailer abs and the tractor isn't equipped with abs). I feel I have no control over the Ranger. That's pretty bad....

i understand both points, but at the same time it is not right to disable the abs on the ranger on the street. it helps the average driver stop and control the truck.

I never had a lick of trouble with my abs. now it just does not work, nothing i can do about it.
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My Gf's taurus does not have ABS and I taught her to drive it just fine. My only point was that if you disable a safety feature such as ABS and DO get into an accident, they will find you at fault.

I am with Zack, I have heard of people having problems with ABS, but all of my vehicles that have had it, I haven't had any issues....
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My Gf's taurus does not have ABS and I taught her to drive it just fine. My only point was that if you disable a safety feature such as ABS and DO get into an accident, they will find you at fault.

I am with Zack, I have heard of people having problems with ABS, but all of my vehicles that have had it, I haven't had any issues....
You're truck is stock as far as major mods go too. None of my vehicles have stayed stock for more than a month or two. Start putting on tires 2-5 inches larger than stock, modify the drivetrain, and add almost a thousand pounds to a vehicle and let me know how well that abs works.

I wish I had a reason to rip out the ABS components*Zach* lol
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^^^^Thats why they always warn that over sized tires may cause premature brake wear or brake failure...
Or brake problems....lol.
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I've got carbon metallic pads, ss brake lines, and rotors better than oem and I still have brake problems. My truck came with 31's stock, I only moved up 2".

ABS sucks
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Dave and Travis are right in thier thoughts.

ABS is for inexperienced, unskilled, & undiciplined drivers. Which IMO is 95% of the American drivers on the road today.

The majority of people now-a-days just don't have a clue as how to handle a car in a panic stop, skid, or impending crash. They turn off thier brains and just slam on the brakes. Something I've also seen **a lot** is underbraking. People just simply don't brake soon enough or hard enough. That makes a crash that could have been avoided or a crash that could have been lessened.

I definately support modern cars having ABS though!!
Because as far as I'm concerning nearly all the other drivers I see are just plain ignorant when it comes to the dynamics of a vehicle. And they display thier ignorance daily. Driving 80mph @ 1 car length behind someone while yaking on the phone. IDIOTS!

My truck has ABS and I'd prefer it did'nt because I'm one of the "1 pecenters" that actually know how to drive. If it ever needs repairing.. I'll just disconnect it or convert to a non ABS setup.

btw, Ever since my truck has been new.. if I back out of the driveway at 3-4 mph, turn 90deg into the street, apply brake, & put it into drive all at the same time I get the ABS pump kicking in. That's annoying. Not a biggie.. but annoying.

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point is, the abs in our trucks suck. PERIOD.
alright, i am running 35's on my "sucky" brakes with NOT a single ABS problem....i think you need your brakes fixed.....

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fact: u hit the brake in wet conditions abs kicks on, YOU DONT stop.
either YOUR truck has a braking problem, or you suck at driving......

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fact: im not the only one with this problem.
yea you pretty much seem to be....

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fact: people disable their abs while offroading BECAUSE abs removes break pressure.
every freakin IDIOT knows that ABS offroad suck.....they were NOT designed for off road use....here is your sign man......flip the switch off when you leave the road, and flip it back on when you go back on the road......ABS was designed for a reason, it is NOT a conspiricy against you.....

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If you dont believe me, shoot a pm over to that kid in colorado who backed into a tree with his ranger (he bought and f250 i think) because abs would NOT apply the brakes even tho he was probably standing on the break pedal.
and was he off roading with the ABS still active if he was, then that was his own fault....

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and yet ur gonna sit there and tell me u stop FASTER with abs?
you may not stop faster with ABS, BUT you do stay on the road and in YOUR lane of traffic.......you don't wind up in the ditch or in someone elses lane of traffic looking at a head on collision......

ABS allows you to steer your way OUT of trouble.....it was designed to aid a driver in keeping out of a wreck, not causing one....

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Seriously, are you like, stoned or something?
i would be more worried that you were stoned with all the problems/medications you have....
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you may not stop faster with ABS, BUT you do stay on the road and in YOUR lane of traffic.......you don't wind up in the ditch or in someone elses lane of traffic looking at a head on collision......

ABS allows you to steer your way OUT of trouble.....it was designed to aid a driver in keeping out of a wreck, not causing one....
People only go out of thier lane when braking because they don't know how to brake, skid, steer. Basicly they don't know how to control the car.

There are very very few road situation where a driver should 100% loose control and spin or flip. Yet it's the norm!

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Do you guys remember the woman who flipped a suburban last year up here in Mich? Some guy changed lanes in front of her, she overreacted and flipped the burb about 7 times?

Here is the vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw2VALZ392I

What possible reason do people have for flipping a 6,000 lb SUV on a perfectly dry road? Ignorance and no skill is why.

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