arg lol i hear ya... my head hurts i am done with class so i am logging off now lol...yes been in class since 8am and been posting the whole time

 

i aint no better...lol but i only have like 600 posts as opposed to his 10k...ROTF

 

WHO THE FAWK HAS A CLASS ON SATURDAY MORNING?

i bet $60,000 wouldn't touch a new F-450.....heck the decked out F-350's are $52,000.....

 

very true..so sad i will never own one lol...


and i have class on sat it sucks...supposed to be 8-2pm but we always are out around 11

 

i like it hahahaha the 6.4 looks like a ***** to work on though lmao


Edit: haha yea superduties are expensive! the harley edition i just dida pdi on at work was 53k haha,

my truck had a sticker of 46k, got it for 35k though i cant wait for the 08s to come out!

 

i will prolly never own one either.........o well....

dang a class on sat would really really suck......

 

Just reading what you guys had to say on the new SD and while your dad might have done the dynos off of rotunda there, but it was developed in chicago at internationals HQ. Fords contract runs out with International in 2010 and the last year you will see them is in 2012. Ford is disgusted with international over the 6.0 and wanted to keep the 7.3 because it was a heavy truck motor, very reliable in the heavy trucks and all around good. Ford then reprogramed(sp) it for SuperDutys and thats where you get the problems(figures). My cousin worked on the quality control team and I now know a lot about what ford was doing to the new 6.4.

As for the new super duty, it will take a while but it grew on me and super dutys are for being work horses not off road vehicles. Ford has a couple of tricks up its sleeve and if you guys think they are down and out in the off road scene, I have two words for you Land Rover.

 

my cousin bought a 2004 F150 FX4 brand new in 04 with a sticker price of $47,000 so ya, you could easily see 100K for a new F series at those prices - yet they wonder why sales are down.

anyways, this new truck is a joke. forget its ugliness and lets look at reality for a moment.

you got a 'new' design, which will have a 50% margin of people who hate it. like the new rangers - which by the way, i STILL think are butt ugly. that new grill? i bet its paper thin plastic, where when u hit a bumble bee on the thruway u break the grill. new PLASTIC interior pieces, cheap crappy plastic, yet price goes up exponentially. that tail gate step is nice, bet that cost ford all of $3 but will charge $3,000 for it. bigger is not always better, and with feul prices, and the current state of our economy, even as a tax right off this is a HUGE investment. can we say 'incentives'?

I was at D's house last night and took a somewhat close look at his dads new F350... noce truck except for one MAJOR detail. they put these itty bitty little tires on this huge truck, it looks retarded! why not skip the grill and add bigger tires stock?

I dunno... to me, this is just a way for Ford, and other ugly American manafactuers to hand the american market - whats left of it to the ricers. American made products need to get off their high and mighty horse and instead of trying to improve with new designs, improve in reliability, and fit and finish. they way something looks only goes so far. if you have the ugly car on the road, yet has the nicest interior fit and finish and reliability wise, people will buy it. why? cause A its reliable, and B its nice. problem is, american auto makers like to use the cheapest plastic they can get, and charge the absolute most amount of money for it. and while this is good to make a quick buck, over time it gets old. step up the quality, and keep the price the same and sales will increase.

 

oh ya and before i forget, we bought our 1995 E350 from our cousin in 1999. heres some of the options it has, and what ford had the ***** to charge for them.

Captain Chairs: $3200
center console with two cup holders: $1800
those two off the top of my head, the difference in chairs? not much to justify $3,000 in my opinion. and that center console?!

OMFG what a JOKE that is the biggest pile of crap every put into anything with a Ford emblem on it. I swear there is more plasictic in my mouse than there is in that console. see its crap like that ford needs to improve upon. big things get the big fast attention. the little things are what really makes a vehical stand out. just compare a taco to a ranger..... taco has it all over the ranger in fit and finish and stuff.

 

Can they make those mirrors stick out any further they need a lane all for themselves.

 

maybe for a 100% loaded F-450 i could see 90k for but if a F-350 was 100k ford would never sell one. probly more around what the prices are for them maybe a tad higher

i know your being sarcastic but really hit a bee and brake um no. probly about the same quality of the current grill which isnt as good as say a 80's truck but isnt paper thin...

with super duty's bigger is better for the most part the reason for 80% of the trucks is TOWING. the bigger the tow vehical the better it will tow(not meaning huge lifted trucks) it makes it more stable. and can we say deisel...on those motors adding "power" adders the MPG will just keep increasing, in my mind superduty's should only come in Deisel there pointless in gasser engines. but being over half of the public is un-educated about them and scared of deisels you cant do that...

I HIGHLY agree that they put way to small of tires on these trucks out of the box. but i realize 100% why they do it..its called FUEL ECONOMY and drive train wear. in there minds the smaller tires get better mpg so they can rate the truck higher and acully gives less strain on the truck even tho most of the superduty's can handle 35's stock with out a problem thats why they do it tho...

 

Thanks for the info really always willing to hear more. I am well aware with hate of the 6.0L threw Ford every dyno person and eng hates that motor it was so cheaply made it wasnt even funny. shouldnt even have been put in the truck. thats another thing that is a joke in Ford is the people that do the programming on the motors and trans. my father comes home all the time frustated with that dept. one lady came over from there. to give dad a new program on a motor and she acked like she had never seen an engine in real life when they walked in the room...its just sad..

so tricks eh? lets here them honistly really would love to know. and if its with Land rover no thanks I dont ever want one of those, to much of a freaking yuppy vehcial, plus who can afford to buy the damn thing and them offroad it.. i was looking for one for my mom when she was looking for a new vehical. they all where WAY TO FREAKING expansive, it was just wrong...no need for it, that vehical isnt worth that in my mind...

 

The new emissions are going to hurt the new diesels coming out, thus why most of the diesel magazines are telling you to buy an 06 for performance, etc. And as far as the tire sizes, i alaways thought Ford was the ones who used the largest tires? All the new fullsize GM's look like they are running on 30" tires, which looks completely retarted is you ask me. Hell my dads 05 superduty came with 34x11's stock.

 

tis cause its a HARLEY mark the other one's are tinny as crap

 

Well, Land Rover has the best off road R and D in world. They even share a basic program from ford for the new LR3/Expedition. Ford has been kicking around the idea that you can "badge engineer a D-90" which, lets be honest, is the best 4x4 on the road but airbags were to hard to put in there. There was the concept Bronco at the auto show but Ford has not even "looked at it yet", but their initial reason for that is because of saftey concerns. Ford is studying the new Fj cruiser to see its success and the possibility of a new bronco. Mark Fields said that there is only one chasis that would be good for the bronco. Guess what one? Thats right, the ranger.

Now, as far as our trucks go, Twin cities is shutting down real soon because its ancient and there is not enough ranger demand. Plus Ford wants to have different options on it(the ranger). Where is it going to come from you ask? Why Brazil of course. With the power stroke diesel option(4 banger for those of you that dont know). Which is weird because they have the exact same chasis as ours, although a different drivetrain. But it will be majorly updated. I am going to be getting a mustang update and if anyone is curious about another project let me know and I will snoop around. But I must tell you that my sources are second to none so be read y to be surprised.

 

Very good insite thank you. thats one thing dads building they wont say **** about the ranger the past few months and good to hear about the bronco they need to bring that back so bad it isnt even funny. if that came back or the ranger got a deisel i will be waiting in line with cash and a pen ready..

 

Yeah, the Lariats come with the same size....its not just the Harley Edition, I guess the cheaper XL's and XLT's have the smaller tires. I still thought they were bigger then most of the other stock trucks out there.