what yall think about glowshift gauges? the two i have , i love . has anybody fabbed the cluster with after market gauges? im working on putting a 5.0 in my truck and i just saw that they have a speedo w/gps sensor! no need for trans/ecu hookup for it! yes they do say it needs"to see the sky" to work properly. aka no parking garages ect! not a problem in florida!

any input would be great
kobin

 

Florida would be good for GPS speedo for a couple of other reason

GPS speed doesn't work well when going up or down a hill/mountain, or when you are on a winding road.

It is distance/time only, it has no actual road speed reference
So going up or down a steep grade you could be going 50mph but GPS would only show 40-45mph because it can't compensate for distance up or down, it just see you are not covering as much distance since the last "time" ping
Same for cornering, point A to point B is a straight line for GPS, but not always for the road you are driving on, lol.

 

ooooops i didnt think of that ron, rotf! but cant the gps compensate for that since it is "3 d to speak of, dosn't it have x,y,z axis?

 

Kobin

Depends on the GPS. Some have minimal extra features. My garmin can show hills and still match mile markers. Some will become inaccurate with that stuff. All depends.

 

Yes, if your GPS can access, I think 4 satellites, it can do altitude.

If you are hiking then it can do that over time, in a vehicle driving at speed it can struggle to get that many signals fast enough, it has to "assume" some things

Just saying I wouldn't rely on GPS speed in court, to get out of a speeding ticket.


GPS is digital, so uses points not waves, so similar to digital music vs analog music
A tape or record recorded music in its original wave form, sound waves, analog
A CD or MP3 uses points to record and replay those waves, digital

Sample rate is the big thing here, same with GPS speed
Sample rate read here: Sample Rates - Audacity Wiki

The higher the sample rate the less loss of the original analog recording
You can't get better than analog, because we hear in analog, lol.
Sample rates are the number of points stored to recreate the analog wave, so the more points that are stored the more accurate the reproduction of the wave.
But storing more points means taking up more space on digital media, so much bigger file sizes, and more processor power to record and play back the higher sample rate

So GPS speed requires more points to be accurate, the more times it can sample as many satellites as possible the more accurate it will be, and this is related to location, i.e. views of the satellites and processing power of the GPS unit

Speedometer is analog, so assuming it is calibrated it will always be more accurate than digital GPS

 

gotch ya ron, for $400 bucks it better be spot on but i will investigate farther and call the company to see what they say about accuracy. New2Ford im gonna get a garmin for now two check it out plus i get gps maps to boot! lol i do alot of driving so that will come in handy.

 

I made my own gauge cluster for a set of Glowshift gauges that mounts in the stock location. There are some pics in my build thread somewhere. It's currently made of plastic, but I'd like to eventually have it laser cut from aluminum.

 

i found it an then i lost it titan lol! i like the look ,but i would have the speedo on the right and tach on left. i have a "a" pillar duel mount already for engine and trans temp, so fuel, oil press and voltage. what am i missing ? have space for one more! do you have a finished pic with the plastic? i have copper sheets available so i might make mine out of copper!

 

Everybody keep in mind. Exact GPS is only given to the military.

We get an error of up to 3 feet. Don't know why they do that. It is so nil a distance.

Government is just crazy.

 

10 meter accuracy, 35ft, is average for lower price GPS, 3 meter accuracy, 10ft, is very very good, and that's horizontal
Smartphone GPS averages about 15 meters

Vertical, 3d, it is not quite that accurate

Surveyor's GPS units can get down to inches, they start at about $5,000 but to get down to the inches level......$10,000+

Government got out of the GPS "limiting" business in 2000, it was called Selective Availability, so you can get Military accuracy if you pay for it, lol.

Good quick read here on how GPS works and how to make it work better: http://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/performance/accuracy/

There is also RTK(Real Time Kinematic) coming along, which may drop the price for accuracy

Very interesting stuff but way above my pay grade, lol

 

My Mom's speedo went out and in stead of paying $200+ dollars she is using her Garmin GPS.
It works ok, but like stated earlier, I wouldn't depend on it holding up in court.
But it should help in knowing your speed and avoid tickets to some degree.

Ron

 

lol you two are funny but make good points! im getting ready to drop in a carberated 302 and im trying to get away from this computer crap for a min with the engine and trans. my lil truck pisses me off some times being a 6/6/95 built truck. parts are from 94, 96. depends on system im workin on! engine is the worst, seams i have a 94/5 harness made to fit with obd2, dealer wont touch my truck!!!!

 

Yeah, kobin. Ford is super bad about that.

Ron

 

i know the feeling all to well. being a tire rotate/balance, oil change, or trans flush, thats all i seem to hear is we wont touch it!

 

If you are getting rid on computer then you will be using an AOD automatic or a manual trans, either of which can have a speedo cable hook up, and they are GEAR driven so can easily be adjusted for tire size and rear axle ratio changes

And if you are going to want a tach you will need to do some dash board work, so analog speedometer would not be hard to put in at all
1993-1994 dash should just swap over, and I have read that full size Bronco V8 tach can be swapped into Ranger dash

 

hmmmm ron, you give me stuff to think about all the time! right now it is in gettin ready stage "aka buyin parts" and findining engine shops uhg! while keepin my girl road worthy! but changing her to accept the mods im gonna do! im doin functional work beast with the best possable milage

 

Well your 1995 has speedo cable hook up, Rangers had it until 1997, so you could swap to analog speedometer any time

Speedometer cable and VSS were used side by side from about 1988 to 1994
Image here: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AKCQITZcMuM/maxresdefault.jpg

That same unit was used until 1997, speedometer cable was removed in 1995 but hookup for it was still there
Seen here without gear attached: http://www.partstrain.com/images/pro...raft/DY588.jpg

You could get a 1993/94 speedometer and cable, install it now and be back in business and all ready for the V8 swap

 

I tried to model my layout after the 04+ style gauge clusters, which is why the layout is like it is. I'll try to get some more pics this week.

You could add oil, intake air, or differential temp, or they even have one that's a clock if you don't have anything else you particularly want to monitor but still want to add a gauge.

 

Hey, Old Thread...

Did you ever get this done ?

Pictures ?

I built one for my '88 Ranger/5.0L Swap, AutoMeter Gauges in Stock Location but I keep things simple, Speed-O two gauges on both sides.
My latest work is around the '03 Gauge Cluster, using the OEM Housing with only three gauges in the Cluster, Speed-O, Water Temp and Oil Pressure, two more on the A-Pillar and two or three on the top of the dash IF needed.

 

Download the speedo APP on yr phone

 

no i havent scrambler. im in the process of building the engine and trans. im collecting parts for after the engine is installed, as im getting rid of the computer crap for now! lol

 

I know what you are talking about.

I am in the process of trying to locate a Shop to do a 2.8L TD in the '03.
My problem is California... this place sucks for engine conversions.
If the truck meets the standards for the year vehicle why is it wrong to convert !

Luck on the project.

 

i have heard things about how tuff it is to mod a vehical in cali, scrambler. florida used to be a pita about it but they have loosend up a whole bunch .

 

I'm checking around on how to do it, I mean get the inspection passed.
it is required every two years.

Not sure where I am going with the truck but Cali is getting tighter every year, wouldn't surprise me if the state started surprise inspections.