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Icon6 I am addicted to 6000K HID's.....

So now of my 2 vehicles I have 4 sets of HID.

6000K in each of my vehicles, foglights and headlights

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I really like how the HID's look in the Ranger's reflector lights. I have aftermarket headlights but the reflector is the same (I bought the black painted ones) From my experience I would say that the reflectors give me a better feeling because they light up the road better than the lowbeam projectors I have in the Evo.

Which do you like better?
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In my opinion i think its kinda too bright..sorry.
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So now of my 2 vehicles I have 4 sets of HID.

6000K in each of my vehicles, foglights and headlights

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I really like how the HID's look in the Ranger's reflector lights. I have aftermarket headlights but the reflector is the same (I bought the black painted ones) From my experience I would say that the reflectors give me a better feeling because they light up the road better than the lowbeam projectors I have in the Evo.

Which do you like better?
They might be aftermarket but they're still reflector lights, not PROJECTOR lights. I'd run your *** off the road in my rig if you came head on or tailed me with those things.
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They might be aftermarket but they're still reflector lights, not PROJECTOR lights. I'd run your *** off the road in my rig if you came head on or tailed me with those things.
Freakin get over it, your truck being lifted is just as bad. As long as the lights are aimed down some (which they should be, if there not I understand where your coming from) there just as bad as having a lifted trucks lights.
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LOL, all the HID drama. I never get any of this on forums.evolutionm.net.
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LOL, all the HID drama. I never get any of this on forums.evolutionm.net.
because evo's come with projectors?
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because evo's come with projectors?
Not all.
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well judging by your pics, and the step-up and cutoffs, yours did.
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Freakin get over it, your truck being lifted is just as bad. As long as the lights are aimed down some (which they should be, if there not I understand where your coming from) there just as bad as having a lifted trucks lights.
I check my headlights aim when it gets inspected every year =]


and no......it's definitely not the same. is a red laser beam and a red flood/storm light(with the same light intensity as the laser) the same? No.

There's a massive difference bro, learn something before you get up in arms. Do some research on Halogen vs. HID light emission.

Put his truck side by side with Silverstar Ultra's or PIAA's (with legal DOT wattage) in both the headlights and foglight cases and stand in front of it and tell me there's no difference.

HID's demand a projector lens...a real lens not some peice of flat plastic covering a reflector case which is equipped on a ranger and is the same exact thing as the black case just with cosmetic differences.

Look at an HID projector lens and tell me how they are exactly the same as a ranger case.
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Both vehicles are aimed about the same, take a look at the garage photos.
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I check my headlights aim when it gets inspected every year =]


and no......it's definitely not the same. is a red flashlight(with the same light intensity as a laser) and a red laser beam the same? No.

There's a massive difference bro, learn something before you get up in arms. Do some research on Halogen vs. HID light emission.

Put his truck side by side with Silverstar Ultra's or PIAA's (with legal DOT wattage) in both the headlights and foglight cases and stand in front of it and tell me there's no difference.

HID's demand a projector lens...a real lens not some peice of flat plastic covering a reflector case which is equipped on a ranger and is the same exact thing as the black case just with cosmetic differences.

Look at an HID projector lens and tell me how they are exactly the same as a ranger case.
There are plenty of vehicles with reflector stock HID.

I'll never have another halogen bulb on one of my vehicles again. Pretty soon I'll have every single bulb on both vehicles either LED or HID (I mean every bulb, from turnsignals, to brake lights, to interior lights you name it...)

People compliment me on my lights all the time.
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I check my headlights aim when it gets inspected every year =]


and no......it's definitely not the same. is a red laser beam and a red flood/storm light(with the same light intensity as the laser) the same? No.

There's a massive difference bro, learn something before you get up in arms. Do some research on Halogen vs. HID light emission.

Put his truck side by side with Silverstar Ultra's or PIAA's (with legal DOT wattage) in both the headlights and foglight cases and stand in front of it and tell me there's no difference.

HID's demand a projector lens...a real lens not some peice of flat plastic covering a reflector case which is equipped on a ranger and is the same exact thing as the black case just with cosmetic differences.

Look at an HID projector lens and tell me how they are exactly the same as a ranger case.
You can talk all you want but in my experience they don't bother me. Too each his own though, I wouldn't run them on my truck just cause I don't like the way they look. I gotta better things to spend my money on.

Sorry about being so harsh, this english homework is pissing me the hell off lol

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they may be aimed the same, but the glare when looking at the headlights on your ranger is rediculous. Let alone the amount of scatter above the evo in the garage. looking at the garage when the door is closed, you can clearly see a step-up and cutoff, all of which are designed to lesson the affect of glare and flicker to oncoming drivers.
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You can talk all you want but in my experience they don't bother me.
You're 18 years old bro. I'm only seven years older but I drive for a living. I see some dumby with uber co0l HIDs and in the stock halogen case, I can't see for five seconds afterwards. One comes by and you'll hear the truckers b1tch for miles b/c it's 3am, they've been driving 10-14 hours, and have just been blinded.

80k lbs comin at ya, in my experience.
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I still like the reflectors more, I'll be doing the reflectors in my girlfriends Scion xB this weekend..
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taken from a great post on ls1gto.com. http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205113

"We will only concern ourselves with low beam optics, since that is what we use to drive around with. One thing to note, low and high beam have less to do with intensity than they do with the actual height of the radiated beam. A low beam is designed specifically to slope gently downwards towards the ground from its point of origin avoiding direct radiance into oncoming traffic. This does, of course, limit viewing distance to the total run of the slope. A high beam actually focuses the highest intensity of the beam at a radiance in parallel (or near parallel) to the ground.



There are essentially two very different forms of optics we are concerned about here, reflector based and projection based. Reflector based has several different forms within its own category, but we will only focus on the newer “free form” reflector technology. The goal of both forms of optics is to take light from a source, reflect as much of its radiance forward, while uniformly dispersing it. The goal of dispersion is to have a nice wide beam with the concentration of the light being greatest at the top of the cutoff in the middle of the beam. Having a beam that is not correctly focused means you will have hotspots, which will decrease your total visibility. Having too much light intensity in the foreground limits the distance at which you can see objects.

A reflector is an overall parabolic shape, with multiple facets to direct light forward at a slight downward slope. They more commonly incorporate a bulb shield over the bottom and front of the bulb to block light from radiating up, straight, and down to the bottom of the reflector bowl where it would reflect back up again.

Some halogen reflector designs even incorporate more than one bulb to increase the intensity of the center of the beam pattern. A reflector needs to be manufactured within close tolerances to avoid excessive glare, since surface irregularities will cause some stray light. Every reflector is designed around one specific bulb type, since every bulb has a different filament direction and location; 1mm can make a world of difference. Reflectors are not universal for every bulb type and filament position out there. I’ll get to that again a little later.

Projectors start off with the same concept as reflectors, harness the light, and reflect it forward. But it is more uniformly distributed by the incorporation of a plano-convex lense. The razor sharp beam shape is produced by a cutoff shield that blocks a portion of the reflected light from hitting the lense.

By changing the shape of the lense, depth of the lense, design of the cutoff shield, and focal point of the projector, manufactures are able to make very wide, very uniform, and very precise beam patterns.

Projectors, also by the nature of their design, sometimes create color that may be considered a fringe benefit. Although it provides no useful lighting function, cutoff color, sometimes referred to as “flicker”, can create an amazing show. Because a projector purposely uses a shield to block some light, it causes interference with light at the very edge. The phenomenon of diffraction takes place when light bends around an object causing interference. Smaller wavelengths are subject to more diffraction since they can more easily escape at a steeper angle.

This is why you see blue and purple flickers from some projector HID cars. As the car goes over a bump or other imperfection in the road surface, the suspension hops up and down. This in turn causes the headlight beams to cast up and down. As the thin, blue band of color crosses the plane of your sight, it appears as a quick flicker from white, to blue and back to white.

Notice the thin band of blue on top of the cutoff:



Same projector as seen from the front, these two pictures simulate color flicker:





Most people tend to think that degree Kelvin color temperature is what makes the brilliant blues you see with a projector. In fact, that is only because aftermarket kit manufacturers are trying to simulate the natural byproduct of projectors by creating 6000, 7000, 8000, and 10,000k kits. The fact of the matter is using “bluer” bulbs will not increase the brilliant deep blue flicker created by the projectors; it will only greatly decrease your road visibility. All OEM HID based projectors use 4100k bulbs for the best possible output on the road; the individual differences you see from car to car are the different projectors they use.

What is the deal with aftermarket kits?

There are cars with OEM reflector based HID so I can use HID in my halogen reflectors to get better output, right? It’s not that easy, there are repercussions from this one size fits all approach. Each and every reflector is designed around one specific bulb type, the reason being that every bulb type has a unique position for the source whether it is a filament or an arc. Since the tolerances for the one bulb type have to be small to prevent excessive stray light, using a completely different source position can change the entire output. Using a brighter source like an arc lamp in a halogen application will only compound this particular problem.

A lot of aftermarket kit sellers will say they precisely line up the focal points to match their halogen counterparts, however, the quality control this requires will most likely not appeal to kit sellers. It is just too difficult for the majority of manufacturers out there, and they would need specialized equipment to do so. This little ploy also falls through when you get to applications such as H3 bulbs which have a horizontal filament as opposed to the longitudinal arc of a HID capsule. Once again, here is a not to scale representation of a very, very simplified reflector design:


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I'll be getting some in my truck I hope!
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I still like the reflectors more, I'll be doing the reflectors in my girlfriends Scion xB this weekend..
I still like driving on bald tires, I feel it's safer for everyone on the road. I'll be cooking off the treads on my girlfriends car this weekend. Think of somebody other than yourself. Get real.

goodluck on the skyway and danryan with bigtrucks if you drive late at night or in the wee hours bro.

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Projectors start off with the same concept as reflectors, harness the light, and reflect it forward. But it is more uniformly distributed by the incorporation of a plano-convex lense. The razor sharp beam shape is produced by a cutoff shield that blocks a portion of the reflected light from hitting the lense.

By changing the shape of the lense, depth of the lense, design of the cutoff shield, and focal point of the projector, manufactures are able to make very wide, very uniform, and very precise beam patterns.

---From that thread
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This is so funny, I have entered into the world of the HID ****'s....

This thread got pretty gay too fast. I'm unsubscribing.

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The only jiff I have about HID's is when they are adjusted wrong honestly.. more light means its much safer for the driver... but if they arent adjsuted right, theny es.. they have a bad detriment to people driving towards you. I'm sure hoping your driveway isnt going uphill, because the legal adjustment is at 25 feet, yoru lights drop 3 inches.. and from what i can see in that photo, at 30 feet, it looks like they are raised a foot just about.
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The only jiff I have about HID's is when they are adjusted wrong honestly.. more light means its much safer for the driver... but if they arent adjsuted right, theny es.. they have a bad detriment to people driving towards you. I'm sure hoping your driveway isnt going uphill, because the legal adjustment is at 25 feet, yoru lights drop 3 inches.. and from what i can see in that photo, at 30 feet, it looks like they are raised a foot just about.
they 'splatter' the light if not in a projector lens. they need that projector case. ever seen HID's in a plain reflector case stock? negative.
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they 'splatter' the light if not in a projector lens. they need that projector case. ever seen HID's in a plain reflector case stock? negative.
actually, early HID setups are in reflector housings, but the reflectors are cut and placed to angle the light differently than a halogen bulb. mid 90s lexus and acura's came like this.
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actually, early HID setups are in reflector housings, but the reflectors are cut and placed to angle the light differently than a halogen bulb. mid 90s lexus and acura's came like this.
granted. i bet they don't spread light like that ranger is though haha

that's just out of control.
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they 'splatter' the light if not in a projector lens. they need that projector case. ever seen HID's in a plain reflector case stock? negative.
Actually I bet my truck and my car, you are wrong.

D2R = Stock HID Reflectors.
D2S = Stock HID Projectors.

Ford example, 2005-2007 Mercury Montego. Stock Reflector, W/ HID.

There are too many Japanese examples to count.
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