Dead Truck
Dead Truck
I am having an issue with my 2002 Ford Ranger. It's a club cab XLT 4.0. Has about 225,000 on it. Been doing fine up until the other day. Haven't been driving it much thanks to Brandon and the gas prices so it sits quite a bit. Took an extended trip the other day so it sat for a week without use. When I got home it wouldn't crank, threw it on the charger for a few minutes and got it to start so I could move it around. did alright for a couple of days, nothing noticeable. had to load a downed limb and haul it to the dump. Heading down to the pit to dump the load and just like that, lost power. now I can't get it started back up for nothing. I have battery power, i have replaced the ignition switch, before i replace anything else, we have checked as much as we know that power if flowing, but when I turn the key there is all indication of power but no noise. starter worked, solenoid kicked it over, but it didn't fire which I thought was odd, never really had that problem. I am at a loss for ideas and suggestions. it's like a little gremlin just decided to wave its wand and say, "quit running"!
Any ranger experts out there that can point me in several directions to check what my problem(s) are? need help badly, Thanks! P.S. tried to run a diagnostic or a code reader on it and that was unsuccessful. for some reason it wasn't communicating with the three readers we tried. all I can lend to that is when it shut down, the battery and check gauge light came on and that was it.
previous statement kind of left an open end to the problem. now i can add some stuff in hopes of some suggestions.
we have performed several circuit tests and check in hopes of opening a door. I think we have determined that we have a dead short somewhere. did a test of all the fuses and it shows we have a short but can't determine where?
we keep blowing the PCM fuse. read something that the fuel pump could be the culprit, yet the pump fuse is intact, and the pump is working.
Any ranger experts out there that can point me in several directions to check what my problem(s) are? need help badly, Thanks! P.S. tried to run a diagnostic or a code reader on it and that was unsuccessful. for some reason it wasn't communicating with the three readers we tried. all I can lend to that is when it shut down, the battery and check gauge light came on and that was it.
previous statement kind of left an open end to the problem. now i can add some stuff in hopes of some suggestions.
we have performed several circuit tests and check in hopes of opening a door. I think we have determined that we have a dead short somewhere. did a test of all the fuses and it shows we have a short but can't determine where?
we keep blowing the PCM fuse. read something that the fuel pump could be the culprit, yet the pump fuse is intact, and the pump is working.
Last edited by jgimar; Jul 31, 2022 at 07:11 AM. Reason: additional information.
continuation of dead truck
continuing saga of my dead truck. as stated previously, driving along and it just up and quit. i have no answers as to why, so i could sure use help.
here's a rundown of what we have done already. maybe that will tweak some ideas. we have determined that the #11(pink PCM fuse) is blowing. can't get past that point.
1 test for a dead short show a dead short but a check of all fuses does not lead us anywhere.
2. to avoid blowing dollars in fuses we are using a 20-amp breaker in place of the #11 fuse. we hook it up to the fuse connection have 12 volts, turn the key on, throws it but we still have 12 volts running thru it. we shouldn't have any.
3. we unhook the breaker to check for continuity, breaker off, have none, breaker on we have continuity. We hook the breaker back up to the
fuse port and we have 12 volts be it on or off. Don't know why we have 12 volts with the breaker off.
4 have 12 volts going thru the pcm, neutral switch, starter, fuel pump, fuel pump is working.
5. all wires to the fuse box are intact and not corroded
6. can't get starter to work thru the ign switch but it will jump to the solenoid.
7. did a dead short test of all fuses but could not find any problems, except with that #11 PCM fuse.
Does anyone have any logical starting points to look for?
here's a rundown of what we have done already. maybe that will tweak some ideas. we have determined that the #11(pink PCM fuse) is blowing. can't get past that point.
1 test for a dead short show a dead short but a check of all fuses does not lead us anywhere.
2. to avoid blowing dollars in fuses we are using a 20-amp breaker in place of the #11 fuse. we hook it up to the fuse connection have 12 volts, turn the key on, throws it but we still have 12 volts running thru it. we shouldn't have any.
3. we unhook the breaker to check for continuity, breaker off, have none, breaker on we have continuity. We hook the breaker back up to the
fuse port and we have 12 volts be it on or off. Don't know why we have 12 volts with the breaker off.
4 have 12 volts going thru the pcm, neutral switch, starter, fuel pump, fuel pump is working.
5. all wires to the fuse box are intact and not corroded
6. can't get starter to work thru the ign switch but it will jump to the solenoid.
7. did a dead short test of all fuses but could not find any problems, except with that #11 PCM fuse.
Does anyone have any logical starting points to look for?
Welcome to the forum
I missed your first post
There are two fuse 11s
In cab fuse box 7.5amp, feeds dash and some modules, and CEL but not PCM
In engine fuse box 50 amp, feeds ignition switch and starter relay in engine fuse box
2001 to 2003 Rangers have the same power distribution, same fuse/relay layouts, here are the 2001 power diagrams
I missed your first post
There are two fuse 11s
In cab fuse box 7.5amp, feeds dash and some modules, and CEL but not PCM
In engine fuse box 50 amp, feeds ignition switch and starter relay in engine fuse box
2001 to 2003 Rangers have the same power distribution, same fuse/relay layouts, here are the 2001 power diagrams
2002 does have PATS(Passive anti-theft system) which disables starter motor but Fuel pump also would not work
And PATS can not kill a running engine, its only enabled to test key when starting engine
Starter circuit does need Fuse 24 in cab fuse box to be good
I would check it if you already found one blown fuse
Fuse 7 in engine bay box(30amp) is the PCM power fuse, and PCM relay in engine bay box passes that power to the PCM
When you turn on the key the CEL(check engine light) on the dash should come on, that means PCM is powered ON
BUT...........fuse 11 in cab powers the CEL(dash lights)
And PATS can not kill a running engine, its only enabled to test key when starting engine
Starter circuit does need Fuse 24 in cab fuse box to be good
I would check it if you already found one blown fuse
Fuse 7 in engine bay box(30amp) is the PCM power fuse, and PCM relay in engine bay box passes that power to the PCM
When you turn on the key the CEL(check engine light) on the dash should come on, that means PCM is powered ON
BUT...........fuse 11 in cab powers the CEL(dash lights)
I stand corrected. fuse in question is the #7 under the hood. disregard my calling it the #11. wrong! sorry. I'll take what you gave me and see what happens and get back to you. thank you for the help!
Fuse 7 feeds a lot of stuff, fuse 7 has 12volt all the time, but fuse 7 only sends out 12v THRU the PCM relay, its controlled by key on/off
Check if fuse 41 in engine bay is OK, pull it and leave it out for now
Fuse 41 gets 12v from fuse 7 when PCM Relay closes(key on)
Fuse 41 powers the O2 heaters, not uncommon for these wires to melt near exhaust pipe and short
PCM relay also power all fuel injectors
Fuel pump relay, not the pump just the pumps on/off relay
And PCM relay powers the PCM
Page 1 has Fuse 7 and PCM relay
Red wire is 12v OUT of relay when key is on
PCM relay is a "mini-relay" slots IDed here: http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/images/m...iring-840x.jpg
Key off
Pull out PCM relay, put fuse 7 in
Test slot 30 and slot 87 with volt meter, only one will show 12volts, that is the 12v from fuse 7
The one without 12v will be the Red wire, remember that slot, mark it if you want(Ford doesn't always follow diagrams, 30 and 87 are interchangeable)
Now test that non-12v slot with OHM Meter to ground(battery negative) should be no lower than say 14 ohms, 0 or close to 0 means a short to ground somewhere
If you see 14 ohm then replace relay it has an internal short
If ohms are close to 0 then follow the RED wire on diagram and unplug devices(like fuse 41) as you go and retest ohms each time
Also move wiring harness's around while OHM Meter is hooked up, could be red wire is shorted to ground wire inside a harness
Check if fuse 41 in engine bay is OK, pull it and leave it out for now
Fuse 41 gets 12v from fuse 7 when PCM Relay closes(key on)
Fuse 41 powers the O2 heaters, not uncommon for these wires to melt near exhaust pipe and short
PCM relay also power all fuel injectors
Fuel pump relay, not the pump just the pumps on/off relay
And PCM relay powers the PCM
Page 1 has Fuse 7 and PCM relay
Red wire is 12v OUT of relay when key is on
PCM relay is a "mini-relay" slots IDed here: http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/images/m...iring-840x.jpg
Key off
Pull out PCM relay, put fuse 7 in
Test slot 30 and slot 87 with volt meter, only one will show 12volts, that is the 12v from fuse 7
The one without 12v will be the Red wire, remember that slot, mark it if you want(Ford doesn't always follow diagrams, 30 and 87 are interchangeable)
Now test that non-12v slot with OHM Meter to ground(battery negative) should be no lower than say 14 ohms, 0 or close to 0 means a short to ground somewhere
If you see 14 ohm then replace relay it has an internal short
If ohms are close to 0 then follow the RED wire on diagram and unplug devices(like fuse 41) as you go and retest ohms each time
Also move wiring harness's around while OHM Meter is hooked up, could be red wire is shorted to ground wire inside a harness
Last edited by RonD; Aug 3, 2022 at 02:18 PM.
okay, we have done the ohm test and we had zero. now short of following the red wire, lots of red wires on this thing, we are at a loss. our problem is or so we think, and we are complete amateurs, is we can't do anything until we are able to turn the key on without blowing that #7 fuse. we need to figure out how to get past that, otherwise it's a dead issue. short of being lazy, what else feeds off of that PCM fuse?
okay, we have done the ohm test and we had zero. now short of following the red wire, lots of red wires on this thing, we are at a loss. our problem is or so we think, and we are complete amateurs, is we can't do anything until we are able to turn the key on without blowing that #7 fuse. we need to figure out how to get past that, otherwise it's a dead issue. short of being lazy, what else feeds off of that PCM fuse?
Look at the wiring diagram, follow the red wire on the diagram, something on that wire is shorted to ground, i.e. you get 0 ohms
So just use the OHM meter and unplug devices on the red wire until OHM come up from 0
Using OHMs is the SAME as using 12volts but no blown fuses to replace, nothing fancy about OHMs in this application, nothing to learn
The OHM Meter has a battery inside, 2v to 9v depends on the meter
It sends out say 2v on one wire(probe) and gets back 2v on the other wire(probe), that means a direct connection, or 0 ohms
Touch the 2 probes together, 0 ohms, direct connection, you are just applying this to longer and multiple wires
If you were testing a single wire then 0 ohms is good it means wire is not broken
But if you are testing a 12v wire(red wire) to battery negative and see 0 ohms that's bad, it means there is direct connection, a short to Ground
You want OHM meter to send out 2v but only get back 1v, thats good, it means its not 0 ohms, a short
And no blown fuses
With OHM meter you are just using lower voltage and its protected so can tell you if a fuse's wiring out to multiple devices is OK or shorted somewhere
And PCM diode is not on Fuse 7 that's blowing, so can't be part of why fuse 7 is blowing
But yes with key ON slot 86(or 85) in PCM relay slot should show 12v from fuse 19 in the cab
A diode only passes voltage one-way, it usually has an arrow and/or a line
12v in--->|-, 12v out
12v in---|<--0v out
End with line blocks voltage coming in from that end
PCM diode is used because when PCM relay closes there can be a reverse spike voltage, diode prevents any spike from travelling backwards thru the wires to other componets
So just use the OHM meter and unplug devices on the red wire until OHM come up from 0
Using OHMs is the SAME as using 12volts but no blown fuses to replace, nothing fancy about OHMs in this application, nothing to learn
The OHM Meter has a battery inside, 2v to 9v depends on the meter
It sends out say 2v on one wire(probe) and gets back 2v on the other wire(probe), that means a direct connection, or 0 ohms
Touch the 2 probes together, 0 ohms, direct connection, you are just applying this to longer and multiple wires
If you were testing a single wire then 0 ohms is good it means wire is not broken
But if you are testing a 12v wire(red wire) to battery negative and see 0 ohms that's bad, it means there is direct connection, a short to Ground
You want OHM meter to send out 2v but only get back 1v, thats good, it means its not 0 ohms, a short
And no blown fuses
With OHM meter you are just using lower voltage and its protected so can tell you if a fuse's wiring out to multiple devices is OK or shorted somewhere
And PCM diode is not on Fuse 7 that's blowing, so can't be part of why fuse 7 is blowing
But yes with key ON slot 86(or 85) in PCM relay slot should show 12v from fuse 19 in the cab
A diode only passes voltage one-way, it usually has an arrow and/or a line
12v in--->|-, 12v out
12v in---|<--0v out
End with line blocks voltage coming in from that end
PCM diode is used because when PCM relay closes there can be a reverse spike voltage, diode prevents any spike from travelling backwards thru the wires to other componets
Last edited by RonD; Aug 4, 2022 at 03:46 PM.
by the way, something I keep forgetting to pass on. we have tried analyzing this thing with a code reader. we have tried three different readers yet all we get in return is an error reading or no connection. which puzzles us.
With no 12volt on the Red wire(fuse 7) the computer is OFF, so reader can't connect to it
And computer can be the short
You may want to unplug that large 104 wire connector in the upper middle of firewall now, then do OHMs test
If OHMs go up then pull computer out and have a look inside it
And computer can be the short
You may want to unplug that large 104 wire connector in the upper middle of firewall now, then do OHMs test
If OHMs go up then pull computer out and have a look inside it
Look at the wiring diagram, follow the red wire on the diagram, something on that wire is shorted to ground, i.e. you get 0 ohms
So just use the OHM meter and unplug devices on the red wire until OHM come up from 0
Using OHMs is the SAME as using 12volts but no blown fuses to replace, nothing fancy about OHMs in this application, nothing to learn
The OHM Meter has a battery inside, 2v to 9v depends on the meter
It sends out say 2v on one wire(probe) and gets back 2v on the other wire(probe), that means a direct connection, or 0 ohms
Touch the 2 probes together, 0 ohms, direct connection, you are just applying this to longer and multiple wires
If you were testing a single wire then 0 ohms is good it means wire is not broken
But if you are testing a 12v wire(red wire) to battery negative and see 0 ohms that's bad, it means there is direct connection, a short to Ground
You want OHM meter to send out 2v but only get back 1v, thats good, it means its not 0 ohms, a short
And no blown fuses
With OHM meter you are just using lower voltage and its protected so can tell you if a fuse's wiring out to multiple devices is OK or shorted somewhere
And PCM diode is not on Fuse 7 that's blowing, so can't be part of why fuse 7 is blowing
But yes with key ON slot 86(or 85) in PCM relay slot should show 12v from fuse 19 in the cab
A diode only passes voltage one-way, it usually has an arrow and/or a line
12v in--->|-, 12v out
12v in---|<--0v out
End with line blocks voltage coming in from that end
PCM diode is used because when PCM relay closes there can be a reverse spike voltage, diode prevents any spike from travelling backwards thru the wires to other componets
So just use the OHM meter and unplug devices on the red wire until OHM come up from 0
Using OHMs is the SAME as using 12volts but no blown fuses to replace, nothing fancy about OHMs in this application, nothing to learn
The OHM Meter has a battery inside, 2v to 9v depends on the meter
It sends out say 2v on one wire(probe) and gets back 2v on the other wire(probe), that means a direct connection, or 0 ohms
Touch the 2 probes together, 0 ohms, direct connection, you are just applying this to longer and multiple wires
If you were testing a single wire then 0 ohms is good it means wire is not broken
But if you are testing a 12v wire(red wire) to battery negative and see 0 ohms that's bad, it means there is direct connection, a short to Ground
You want OHM meter to send out 2v but only get back 1v, thats good, it means its not 0 ohms, a short
And no blown fuses
With OHM meter you are just using lower voltage and its protected so can tell you if a fuse's wiring out to multiple devices is OK or shorted somewhere
And PCM diode is not on Fuse 7 that's blowing, so can't be part of why fuse 7 is blowing
But yes with key ON slot 86(or 85) in PCM relay slot should show 12v from fuse 19 in the cab
A diode only passes voltage one-way, it usually has an arrow and/or a line
12v in--->|-, 12v out
12v in---|<--0v out
End with line blocks voltage coming in from that end
PCM diode is used because when PCM relay closes there can be a reverse spike voltage, diode prevents any spike from travelling backwards thru the wires to other componets
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