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Old Feb 17, 2020
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Originally Posted by Shondabray78
Purchased a 00/01 ranger from a friend. No keys damaged ignition switch. What do I need to do in order to drive my truck? Will remote start or push button work without original keys?
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Is it a V6 engine or 4cylinder engine?

1999 and up V6 Rangers(3.0l or 4.0l) have PATS, the 4cylinder engines didn't have that until 2002, well 2001.5 when the 2.3l Duratec engine was first used

If its a V6 then you will need to get new ignition cylinder and PATS keys, then you can have a Mobile Lock Smith come out to add the keys to the trucks computer/PATS

Or you can buy Forscan software and try to do it yourself

PATS(passive anti-theft system) prevents the fuel injectors from working, there is no by-pass or work-around for it, no extra button can be added that will help, the computer just won't work, so engine can not run
Remote start also needs, and uses, an "electronic" PATS key, you program these using a working PATS key, so you need this working key FIRST, then you can add remote start

If its a 2.5l Ranger, 4cyl, then you just need to fix the ignition key cylinder and get a key for it
 

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Old Feb 6, 2022
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Originally Posted by uudfourty
Hey folks,
So, I just bought a 2000 XLT, and was going to get another key for it.

$103 at one dealership and $120 at another.

No. That's retarded.

I got a normal key made that will just open the door, and will turn in the ignition. If it weren't for that freaking anti-theft crap, I could spend 3 dollars for a working key. These guys want me to spend 103?! Things get lost. Keys especially.

Has anyone disabled whatever silly crap requires a chip in the key to start the truck?
So far as I'm concerned, that's just one more thing to go wrong anyway.

There has to be a way to do it. Any of y'all done it?

I'm not trying to steal my own truck. I promise!
you want to get rid of that crap I say go right ahead unplug that garbage you don't need that chipped key as long as you have a key that will turn on the ignition and you have power to your coil and power to your starter install a push button starter turn your key on and hit The button and there you have it and nobody told this. 30 year veteran butcher squat and that really pisses me off because I was in dire straights and they just want to be smart asses I think it's because they don't know themselves and believe what the dealer tells them so I give you my 2 cents I'm really not sorry if pissed anybody off because I wasn't trying to steal a vehicle either I bought a rig with no keys at all and got no help so this sight really isn't that great if really need help I'm not mad anymore I'm just saying
 
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Old Feb 6, 2022
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Originally Posted by dangerfish
Why would you want to make your truck easier to steal....?
you should have just helped this guy out instead of being like ooooh I know something you don't know and then laughing about it to your friends that's BS and you know it so I don't think I want to be a part of this forum and then again maybe you don't know what to do well I didn't know but I figured it out and I didn't even use a chipped key so the anti theft crap is really just crap
 
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Old Feb 7, 2022
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Originally Posted by Jeffrstedt
you should have just helped this guy out instead of being like ooooh I know something you don't know and then laughing about it to your friends that's BS and you know it so I don't think I want to be a part of this forum and then again maybe you don't know what to do well I didn't know but I figured it out and I didn't even use a chipped key so the anti theft crap is really just crap
Why are you bitching at someone that hasn't been here in 9+ years?
 
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Old Mar 14, 2022
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Easy

Originally Posted by uudfourty
Hey folks,
So, I just bought a 2000 XLT, and was going to get another key for it.

$103 at one dealership and $120 at another.

No. That's retarded.

I got a normal key made that will just open the door, and will turn in the ignition. If it weren't for that freaking anti-theft crap, I could spend 3 dollars for a working key. These guys want me to spend 103?! Things get lost. Keys especially.

Has anyone disabled whatever silly crap requires a chip in the key to start the truck?
So far as I'm concerned, that's just one more thing to go wrong anyway.

There has to be a way to do it. Any of y'all done it?

I'm not trying to steal my own truck. I promise!
just run a hot wire from the fuse box on the driver side that has power when the key is turned on only over to the inertia switch on the passenger side Laborde. The Pats system only kills a fuel pump this will fix your problem. (INCORRECT ADVICE)
 

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Old Mar 14, 2022
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Originally Posted by Walter
just run a hot wire from the fuse box on the driver side that has power when the key is turned on only over to the inertia switch on the passenger side Laborde. The Pats system only kills a fuel pump this will fix your problem.
Welcome to the forum

This is incorrect advice
PATS disables fuel injectors which is the big theft deterrent
No starter motor and no fuel pump are easy to bypass
For fuel pump you just need a short jumper wire in place of the fuel pump relay in engine fuse box, so don't need a wire to inertia switch in the cab
For starter you just need to jump starter motor's battery cable to it's smaller wire

Problem will be the injectors, you will need a "fuel monkey" under the hood pouring gasoline into the engine, in the correct amount, as you drive away
And hopefully the vehicle doesn't have a "Trunk Monkey" and he comes out and kicks the **** out of your fuel monkey, and then YOU

As seen here:
 
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Old Mar 14, 2022
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Originally Posted by Walter
just run a hot wire from the fuse box on the driver side that has power when the key is turned on only over to the inertia switch on the passenger side Laborde. The Pats system only kills a fuel pump this will fix your problem.
This coming from some one that doesn't have a PATS equipped truck.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2022
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Icon6 crap...

Originally Posted by uudfourty
Hey folks,
So, I just bought a 2000 XLT, and was going to get another key for it.

$103 at one dealership and $120 at another.

No. That's retarded.

I got a normal key made that will just open the door, and will turn in the ignition. If it weren't for that freaking anti-theft crap, I could spend 3 dollars for a working key. These guys want me to spend 103?! Things get lost. Keys especially.

Has anyone disabled whatever silly crap requires a chip in the key to start the truck?
So far as I'm concerned, that's just one more thing to go wrong anyway.

There has to be a way to do it. Any of y'all done it?

I'm not trying to steal my own truck. I promise!
i read somewhere there's a chip or rfid in the plastic so you cut the key off the plastic, keep/glue the plastic part near the steering column and you can just get a bunch cheap keys cut but i dont know myself that it that actualy works.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2022
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Originally Posted by ecoplastic
i read somewhere there's a chip or rfid in the plastic so you cut the key off the plastic, keep/glue the plastic part near the steering column and you can just get a bunch cheap keys cut but i dont know myself that it that actualy works.
Welcome to the forum

Yes, you can just tape a WORKING PATS key near the "wand", that's around the key slot, like under the clam shell cover
But you must use a NON-PATS key from then on, so cheap keys
If you tried another PATS key, PATS would get 2 garbled numbers from the two RFID tags so wouldn't allow startup

But Cloning PATS keys is not expensive, so if you have a working PATS key you can get it Cloned to have a spare key
And you keep your anti-theft system intact/working


 
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Old Apr 9, 2022
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Originally Posted by 2011Supercab
Why are you bitching at someone that hasn't been here in 9+ years?
why don't you **** off with the rest of them certified idiots everyone knows you get a qualified mechanic not a certified one you must be certified huh go figure
 
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Old Apr 9, 2022
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Originally Posted by Jeffrstedt
why don't you **** off with the rest of them certified idiots everyone knows you get a qualified mechanic not a certified one you must be certified huh go figure
Keep it up and you'll be gone. This is your final warning. I'm not putting up with immature adults on this forum.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2022
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Originally Posted by RonD
Welcome to the forum

Yes, you can just tape a WORKING PATS key near the "wand", that's around the key slot, like under the clam shell cover
But you must use a NON-PATS key from then on, so cheap keys
If you tried another PATS key, PATS would get 2 garbled numbers from the two RFID tags so wouldn't allow startup

But Cloning PATS keys is not expensive, so if you have a working PATS key you can get it Cloned to have a spare key
And you keep your anti-theft system intact/working
I have never been able to get this hack to work. The only way I can get a non-chipped key to work is to hold the chipped key right next to it.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2022
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Originally Posted by Ranger480
I have never been able to get this hack to work. The only way I can get a non-chipped key to work is to hold the chipped key right next to it.
I had the same experience. Even with the chipped key touching the transponder and the ring around the cylinder, it still didn't work.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2022
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If your serious about it pull the transceiver(wand) off the key cylinder and put the PATS key inside it and tape it up

The Ring/wand is an antenna that sends out a Burst RF signal with key on, that powers the RFID Chip in the key's handle enough for it to transmit its unique ID number that the antenna picks up and the PATS module "sees"
So there are 2 ways it can fail, not enough power from RF Burst makes it to the RFID tag, or not enough "clear" numbers are received from the tag
Sweet spot is of course an inch or so in front of the center of antenna, where PATS keys handle would be
 
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Old Apr 9, 2022
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I only got one chipped key when I bought the truck. The local hardware store was able to cut several 'service' keys, as well as clone the chip to create two new 'start-er-up' keys. I carry one service key just so I can unlock the doors at any time.

I use the aftermarket chipped keys for daily use. A service key is (very well) hidden on the exterior of the truck which will get me into the cab with no issues. The original factory key is (very well) hidden in the cab somewhere. So if my aftermarket keys I normally carry are lost or misplaced, I can still easily walk up to the truck, retrieve the service key, open the door, retrieve the factory key and....... down the road I go.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2022
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PATS failure

The stupidest thing Ford has done so far IMHO
Pats failed on my 2009 Ranger after I removed my battery to charge it.
I tried everything because I wasn't going to have my vehicle towed to the stealership to be overcharged for such a simple task as reprogramming or whatever they call it
Best thing is to remove the plastic cover and tape your programmed key near the transponder that loops the ignition switch and use $1.25 keys for evermore
I've owned so many cars in my life and never ever had one stolen. None had such a ridiculous ant theft system. Sadly most all new vehicles have similar stupid systems.
I never got my 09 to start again and sold it. I was told in 05 Ranger did not have a PATS, so wht did they not have it and why start putting it back in 06 ?
 
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Old Jul 20, 2022
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In 2004 Ford had an issue with licensing for PATS so skipped 2005 model year

Sorry you had an issue with it, but for as many millions of Fords that used it(it was used world wide in Fords) there are just not that many failures, and very few Thefts

Any Moblie locksmith can add PATS keys and cut new ones at your Ranger's location, much cheaper than towing usually
And YOU can add PATS keys yourself with a laptop and OBD2/USB cable using Forscan software

You can have PATS deleted on any Ford, usually runs $200-$250, done by a Programmer with Ford software, call local Speed Shop, these programmers "tweak" the software for best power, lol, but can also Delete PATS key test

Just FYI
PATS does have a 90 minute reset period if it thinks it is detecting a theft in progress
Battery disconnect and reconnect or lower battery voltage can trigger this, so even if you fix a PATS issue, system is still in Lock Down mode
3 or 4 key on attempts to start and getting Flashing Theft light also triggers Lock Down
So you have to wait 90min from the "last attempt" to start engine, for it to reset, key off, doors closed

Seen more than a few post where people replaced transceiver but still had a No Start and Flashing Theft light
Then tried it again the next day and "it started right up, WTF????"
That was from it being in Lock Down mode, just needed to wait a few hours for it to clear
 

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Old Sep 26, 2022
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The dealer is not going to disable it for you no matter how much paperwork you show them.

You can either pay for they keys, or glue the chip to the ignition cylinder. It isn't going to break or fall off unless you drive the truck off a cliff. I have never heard of or read about a single instance of PATS system failure. You're making this into way too big a deal.

And the only way someone is going to steal a PATS protected vehicles is with a tow truck.

Mate this was the biggest load of crap ever I'm currently sitting in my 00 ranger with a huge pats failure and some homeless jerk stole my original keys the dealership handed me a $300 usd bill and basically said not our problem we cut and tried to program but the truck wont accept the code
 

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Old Sep 26, 2022
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Originally Posted by Jeff95
Mate this was the biggest load of crap ever I'm currently sitting in my 00 ranger with a huge pats failure and some homeless jerk stole my original keys the dealership handed me a $300 usd bill and basically said not our problem we cut and tried to program but the truck wont accept the code
???

Ford charged you $300 and didn't fix the issue
Whats on the bill?

They have the VIN so can cut a key from the code number, so you should have 2 keys that now allow you to lock/unlock the doors and turn ignition on?
$50/key?
Outside of that the labor to add the keys should be 1/2 hour, just a simple laptop software
So should be under $200 for everything...............IF successful
Other wise just the cost of the 2 new keys which you need regardless

But there are ripoffs everywhere

1999/2000 Ranger V6's will have PATS Type B, so a separate PATS module above the Glove box

When you turn on the new key the THEFT LIGHT should start to flash rapidly, leave key on
Wait 45 seconds or so and THEFT light will start to flash a 2 digit code, 11 to 16
So one flash, pause, 1 to 6 flashes, longer pause then repeat
Get that code

11 Transceiver [transponder coil] not connected, or there is no power to it.
12 Transceiver internal fault.
13 No Key/no PATS key has been used to turn the ignition switch.
14 Incomplete key code received.
15 Invalid key code received.
16 CAN communications error.

You should get code 15 if PATS module is working
 
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Old Sep 26, 2022
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My appologies for sounding rude after seeing the bill im sure you could understand and its pats 12 i looked everything over nothing looked broken or disconected (just did a shift tube) and i could provide a picture of the statement from the local ford dealership it was 293 and change i believe but i did get a phone call that 6 "professionals" could not unlock the column and i had to go back up there myself (30+ miles) to unlock it or they were gonna charge extra and drill it out i know the key was worn out (OEM but missing transponder and was changed in the past) but they had it jammed by the time i got there one second and ill provide what they did mate
 
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My appologies for sounding rude after seeing the bill im sure you could understand and its pats 12 i looked everything over nothing looked broken or disconected (just did a shift tube) and i could provide a picture of the statement from the local ford dealership it was 293 and change i believe but i did get a phone call that 6 "professionals" could not unlock the column and i had to go back up there myself (30+ miles) to unlock it or they were gonna charge extra and drill it out i know the key was worn out (OEM but missing transponder and was changed in the past) but they had it jammed by the time i got there one second and ill provide what they did mate

sorry for the cruddy marking out i think i marked out sensitive detailing but yeah they charged me full price and didnt fix the issue and basically told me its not their problem take it up with the dealer again
 
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Old Sep 26, 2022
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2 PATS keys were $80, that's OK, steep, but for a Ford Dealer its OK

And they both work in door and ignition?

Not sure why they needed to remove the lock cylinder?
Ford Dealer can look up the VIN to get the Key code for that vehicle, sounds hokey to me


I can see 1/2 of $170 for the ATTEMPT to program new keys into PATS, not full price to "try and do it", $170 is to complete the job

I notice Fault codes are NOT listed, you PAID FOR THEM, get them, ASAP

Should be "B" codes like these
B1601 Unprogrammed encoded ignition key detected (leave ignition on for 20 seconds before trying a programmed key, in Anti-Scan Mode).
B1602 Partial detection of encoded ignition key.
B1681 Transceiver signal not detected.
B2141 Non-Volatile Memory (NVM) configuration failure — No PCM ID stored in PATS.

A mobile Locksmith may be able to help you out if they use Ford software
 
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Old Sep 26, 2022
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the only codes it threw P1260 and P1000 on a scanner but i dont know much about obd 2 im more of a 70-94 small block chevy and first gen rangers/aeronoses
 
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Old Sep 27, 2022
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Most readers only show Powertrain codes, i.e. "P" codes
You need a reader that can show "B"(body) and "C"(chassis) codes

P1000 OBD-II Monitor Testing Incomplete
Means computer was reset or battery was unhooked for more than 5 minutes, won't cause any issues, will self clear after engine is running a few days

P1260 Theft Detected – Engine Disabled
Self explanatory in this case, lol

 
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Old Sep 27, 2022
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Say if the pats system on the column were to go out (i unplugged it and got pats 11) and not function correctly is there a way to test it? because i think i found another pats transceiver it matches my number almost to a t and i dont know the difference mine was a 15607-AC which theirs is too but mine is also a 9L12 E and theirs is a 9G05 E everything else matches the FCC ID and Canadian number as well
 
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