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Well, if you're chronically constipated...
Hahaha thats great!

Oh and what you said above, totaly agree, couldnt have said it better.

"Be American, Buy American Made"
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Some reading material if yall get bored. Nothing to do with buying american, but it is a comparison of the Ranger, Taco, Nismo, & Dakota... very interesting...

http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/compa...title=features

From that the Ford and Nissan are pretty close. Closer than I had thought, but then agian non eof the numbers are there, like clearance, hp, torque, etc.

I am not trying to bash Ford at all, just checking out everything.
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From that the Ford and Nissan are pretty close. Closer than I had thought, but then agian non eof the numbers are there, like clearance, hp, torque, etc.

I am not trying to bash Ford at all, just checking out everything.
On that link click the Spec's tab.. all of that is there, just not on that one page. Hight, lenght, width, HP, its all there...
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You're not thinking about it very deeply are you? You only see it from a consumer point of view -- give you what you want.

Try another point of view: our own, self managed, industrial capacity is critical to national security and it's bleeding away. If you don't have the facilities and technology IN HAND when the feces hits the rotating blades, you are toast.

The foreign crap argument is valid still. My truck was built in Edison NJ. My company, foreign owned, makes steel here in the US but ALL facilities are here, nothing required from overseas, and could be nationalized in a heartbeat.

Where the CEO lives can be critical if it's a matter of national loyalty -- but I guess you are one of those people who also wants to put America's destiny in the hands of the United Nations as well.

You're part of the problem: you only think like a consumer. You actually thought my comments had something to do with brand loyalty for crying out loud! How misguided can you get.

How's that for provocative?
Ok the brand loyalty was not towards your post.

The made in america adn ceo thing was. No I am not a fan of the UN, totally different.

Now as far as way of thinking, yes when I buy a truck i am a consumer. I will try to get teh best for my money. From that standpoint I think that the foreign truck companies are more receptive to consumer complaints, hell how many years have ford had problems with the slave cylinder? Now I would have a hard time buying foreign if the toyotas or nissans were built 100% over seas. BUT they are NOT.

I think it is hilarious how I am part of some problem b/c I like the foreign trucks! That made me laugh.
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Well, if you're chronically constipated...
I must be constipated then; since most of the time I don't give a shiz

I do like the quality of Toyotas in general. I've just never felt comfortable in their showrooms. Maybe it's just here in Florida, but Toyota dealerships always try to give me the hard sell.
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I looked at Nissans when shopping for my truck. Butt ugly and over equipped. Too much junk loaded on a plastic chassis. I wasn't impressed.
What truck did you look at with a plastic chassis?

I will say it is a pain that the options are clumped together, but there are ways around that. BUT the plastic/pretty options are also available on teh Fords.

As far as Ugly, that is fine, your opinion.
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"Be American, Buy American Made"
That is a load of ****.

Our fords have tons of foreign parts on them and some are built overseas, so are we not american?

This was true 10-20 yrs ago, but not anymore. Call me a **** or wahtever, I am jsut adaptable to change.
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I must be constipated then; since most of the time I don't give a shiz

I do like the quality of Toyotas in general. I've just never felt comfortable in their showrooms. Maybe it's just here in Florida, but Toyota dealerships always try to give me the hard sell.
I do have to say i never have liked the thin feeling doors of a Taco or the midget sized door handles, taht us normal ppl can only fit 2 fingers in.
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...a comparison of the Ranger, Taco, Nismo, & Dakota... very interesting...
One thing that is very unfair about that comparison you linked in is that the domestic makes often sell for WELL under their sticker price. I got my LII for more than 20% less than that comparison shows. When I was shopping around I was unable to get a discount anywhere even close to that on an import. Price is something that is very largely in the Ranger's favor. I believe it always has been..
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How's that for provocative?
Wow John. Slow day at the office?!
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That is a load of ****.

Our fords have tons of foreign parts on them and some are built overseas, so are we not american?

This was true 10-20 yrs ago, but not anymore. Call me a **** or wahtever, I am jsut adaptable to change.
Guess I should have explained that, guess I'm getting old. Sitting here I heard a commercial that has been running for quite a while "Be Californian, Buy California Grown" with Arnold saying it.. it was more or less a joke.. just forgot to preface it.

BUT I do agree 100% with John, but thats not what this thread was supposed to be about now is it?
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One thing that is very unfair about that comparison you linked in is that the domestic makes often sell for WELL under their sticker price. I got my LII for more than 20% less than that comparison shows. When I was shopping around I was unable to get a discount anywhere even close to that on an import. Price is something that is very largely in the Ranger's favor. I believe it always has been..
Yea I thought that was a little off, but thats how their comparison works so whacha gonna do

When I was shoping for trucks I went to a Toy dealer and the guy flat out told me "We think very highly of our products" and wouldnt deal on the price..not that I would have bought one of them anyway.
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Maybe it's just here in Florida, but Toyota dealerships always try to give me the hard sell.
Nope, I felt the same way here in NH. I cross shopped Toyota and Ford. In '03 the Frontier still looked like a monkey's bunghole and I just wasn't interested. For me it was another Ranger or a Taco. I got warm fuzzies up the wazoo at Ford shops, but nearly the polar opposite at Toyota shops. A guy down the hall said it best: Toyota salespeople have a quality, top grade product and they know it. They aren't willing to screw around or hand hold like Ford dealers are because they know they'll sell the truck to the next guy no matter how they treat you.

Oh, and yes, based on how much time I've had this Ranger in the shop, I do wish I had bought a taco instead.. Half my office has pickups, a few Toyotas, a couple Nissans and Dodges, I'm the only Ford driver. Of all of us I have by FAR had the most problems. The Toyota guys consistently have the fewest problems. I see a distinct pattern..
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Oh, and yes, based on how much time I've had this Ranger in the shop, I do wish I had bought a taco instead.. Half my office has pickups, a few Toyotas, a couple Nissans and Dodges, I'm the only Ford driver. Of all of us I have by FAR had the most problems. The Toyota guys consistently have the fewest problems. I see a distinct pattern..
my brother in law has a tacoma and his is always in the shop...my ranger however has almost 50,000 miles and it has yet to go in the shop for anything other than routaine maintance... same with my 92 it had 350,000 miles on it and still ran strong... i guess my family is the exception but im not complaining and im gonna continue to buy Ford... and yes its brand loyalty
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Some of this is repeats but here are some specs...

Nissan 4.0:

No Super Charger
265 Hp
284 Tq
CVTCS
Premium Fuel recommended

Yoder's 4.0:

DOHC
Variable Valve Timing
245 Hp
282 Tq
Premium Fuel

Ford's 4.0:

SOHC
207 Hp
238 Tq
Reg Unleaded


So Ford is behind....
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my brother in law has a tacoma and his is always in the shop...my ranger however has almost 50,000 miles and it has yet to go in the shop for anything other than routaine maintance... same with my 92 it had 350,000 miles on it and still ran strong... i guess my family is the exception..
Yup, I'd call that an exception, not the rule based on my experience. Like the man says, YMMV..

Although I should footnote that by saying that I think this comparison holds true for 4x4 pickups. I had a '99 XL Sport (4x2) that was quite reliable. I was highly pleased w/ the vehicle, so much that I ignored co-workers and smug Toyota dealers that called my Ford a POS and cracked the old 'Effing Owner Really Dumb' and 'Found On Road Dead' one-liners at will. Easily the bulk of the problems I have and have seen from others on these forums seem to fairly consistently come from 4x4 owners and are drivetrain related.

That's actually something I wanted to mention in my previous post about Toyota dealers. I had two different dealers basically put down the Ranger and Ford as a whole. I'm a pretty resilliant guy and usually turn the other cheek fairly easily at such things, but it seemed like a pretty dumbass sales technique to me, badmouthing the customer's current ride! In such instances I'd think it's always worthwhile to take the high road and explain how great your product is, not how bad the other guy's is..
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I consider myself fairly liberal but when it comes to what I drive I am very much a bigot. I want Ford stamped on it.
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So, what you're saying is: as long as you get what you want you don't give a ****.

Once more, you don't get it. You are EXACTLY part of the problem. No insight, no wider view -- just get what you want and the rest can go to hell.

I'm glad you're laughing, it makes it easier to lose respect for you. You talk strong but you think weak and you're basically just all about yourself.

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Ok the brand loyalty was not towards your post.

The made in america adn ceo thing was. No I am not a fan of the UN, totally different.

Now as far as way of thinking, yes when I buy a truck i am a consumer. I will try to get teh best for my money. From that standpoint I think that the foreign truck companies are more receptive to consumer complaints, hell how many years have ford had problems with the slave cylinder? Now I would have a hard time buying foreign if the toyotas or nissans were built 100% over seas. BUT they are NOT.

I think it is hilarious how I am part of some problem b/c I like the foreign trucks! That made me laugh.
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damn! my eyes are burning from the flames in here!

anyway, i too prefer 'american' cars, but i justify my choice more simply. Henry Ford was an american (foriegn descent, but born here, right?), the guy who began GM was american too, same for chrysler (i think). so ill stick with those guys. my roomy had a frontier and finally decided to sell it. it was a POS. door was assembled wrong and leaked (thats what the nissan dealer told him) and they never fixed the door. they fixed the leak only (you can see a HUGE gap between the door and the truck when closed) the suspension was shot within 30k (no offroading whatsoever). they replaced the shocks and such, guess what.....50k suspension service again. the original light theat he bought on the truck (bought it during daylight) didnt work. so the next day he had to put the truck in the shop, turns out the wiring harness for the the headlamps, corners, and fogs was FUBAR from the factory. he finally sold it. wanted a civic and i slapped him, so he bought a respectable import - acura integra.






HA! IM FUNNY, RESPECTABLE IMPORT? but an acura is better than a hond, IMO.
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ford may be lacking ponies but arent the new "foreign" trucks heavier and ladden with more useless crap?

how much is the rangers curb weight?

and this whole american V. foreign thing is silly. i never thought id say this myself but the nissian and taco (as far as i know) were designed in the US, is built in the US for US customers. with that said its not really foreign after all. the older tacos were realible as heck and the old old school hardbody nissians were good lil trucks but were made out of tin cans it seemed. the frontier, well i cant say much as i dont have much experience with them.

also, we all know the ranger is fairly realible, but how about the new nissian and toys?

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So, what you're saying is: as long as you get what you want you don't give a ****.

Once more, you don't get it. You are EXACTLY part of the problem. No insight, no wider view -- just get what you want and the rest can go to hell.

I'm glad you're laughing, it makes it easier to lose respect for you. You talk strong but you think weak and you're basically just all about yourself.
Since I am part of the problem adn I dont know it, enlighten me. Instead of attacking me and telling me I am part of the problem twice, tell me how not just that I am.

"just get what I want and the rest go to hell" What is this from? b/c I wan tthe best product for my money?

So I guess you are saying we all shoudl buy american everythign? That jsut isnt possible. In TX we have a lot of rice farmers, but the government subsidizes it b/c they buy rice from overseas. It is cheaper that way.

Its all about free trade. IF you cant compete in your market you shoudl try another market.

I dont have a fix for the whole thing, you can never make everyone happy. But I am really confused about your hostility towards me b/c I want to by a nissan truck. That is very strange to me. Maybe you have some personal experience that has scarred your and you have some pent up anger. i dont know.

Now as far as losing respect for a person b/c they have a different view? that is ignorant and close minded(what you are mad at me about). I am trying to understand your point of view, not attack you.

we are not kids here, let's not act like them.
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Well, don't think like one, boyo!

I'm losing respect for your thought process, FYI. And your "personhood" is on the line when you post what you did, strong yourself and with profanity, so don't question mine.

You never have answered the quandary I put to you: what happens when critical American heave industry all moves offshore? ALL your arguments are consumer based and economic and about YOU getting the best product for YOUR money. Hmmmm...and yet somehow you don't see it.

And like most poor logicians, you make stupid either/or arguments. You suggest that if you can't buy everything American, why bother to TRY to get as much American product as you can. If you can't see the falacious nature of THAT argument, then obviously you can't be talked to.

I LOVE the way you don't argue the point, but try to make it a personal issue about "personal experience that has scarred you" -- it's bull**** and you're just avoiding the real argument and I'll make it again, for probably the third time now, and see if you can actually understand and respond to it this time:

If we lose our heavy industry and there is war or great natural disaster, we will be dependent upon people with interests other than America's to supply our needs. Only in industrial and even energy self sufficiency do we ensure the ability to control our own destiny and secure democracy for us and others.

That is why your selfish "give me cheap high quality foriegn goods and I don't care about America's best interests as long as I get what I want" (which is EXACTLY what you are saying) is a problem.

Free trade is NOT a virtue all by itself, anymore than freedom is. Should you be free to kill whomever you want? Free to steal your neighbors goods? Free to destroy public infrastructure? No. Neither should "free" trade that destroys a nations ability to prosper and defend itself be allowed.

If you don't get that, brother, you truly are just a selfish piece of work. You act as if your purchase of a foreign truck was an "isolated" thing instead of part of a whole picture involving the increasing DESIRE of Americans to have foreign controlled companies provide all their needs.

You'll be one of the first ones "up against the wall" when the revolution comes, lol!

I can't wait to see what Colin has to say about this.
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this post got ugly fast

dont test people about wether to buy domestic or foreign...this war has gone on long b4....

i would choose import....hands down hells yeah import...but import car...no more trucks for me

but people have their own opinions...
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Well, don't think like one, boyo!

I'm losing respect for your thought process, FYI. And your "personhood" is on the line when you post what you did, strong yourself and with profanity, so don't question mine.
So should I lose respect for you, because you used profanity?

You never have answered the quandary I put to you: what happens when critical American heave industry all moves offshore? ALL your arguments are consumer based and economic and about YOU getting the best product for YOUR money. Hmmmm...and yet somehow you don't see it.
Maybe I am misunderstanding something here, nissans are built here, toyota is building a plant in TX, these industries are moving here, not offshore. Now Ford has moved to canada and mexico, still has plants here though. This was my argument from the begining, now if there is alot more to you, I ask again enlighten me.

And like most poor logicians, you make stupid either/or arguments. You suggest that if you can't buy everything American, why bother to TRY to get as much American product as you can. If you can't see the falacious nature of THAT argument, then obviously you can't be talked to.
no i am not saying why bother. i am saying that with certain things foreign products are better. So are you saying dont buy anythign foreign? that is not possible.

I LOVE the way you don't argue the point, but try to make it a personal issue about "personal experience that has scarred you" -- it's bull**** and you're just avoiding the real argument and I'll make it again, for probably the third time now, and see if you can actually understand and respond to it this time:

If we lose our heavy industry and there is war or great natural disaster, we will be dependent upon people with interests other than America's to supply our needs. Only in industrial and even energy self sufficiency do we ensure the ability to control our own destiny and secure democracy for us and others.

That is why your selfish "give me cheap high quality foriegn goods and I don't care about America's best interests as long as I get what I want" (which is EXACTLY what you are saying) is a problem.

Free trade is NOT a virtue all by itself, anymore than freedom is. Should you be free to kill whomever you want? Free to steal your neighbors goods? Free to destroy public infrastructure? No. Neither should "free" trade that destroys a nations ability to prosper and defend itself be allowed.

I was merely pointing out that is how our system is, now if you want a so called revolution, well then fine. But as it is now, thats jsut it, how it is.

If you don't get that, brother, you truly are just a selfish piece of work. You act as if your purchase of a foreign truck was an "isolated" thing instead of part of a whole picture involving the increasing DESIRE of Americans to have foreign controlled companies provide all their needs.
so i guess this is the whole PROBLEM you are talking about. Now we are gettign somewhere! :thumb: But no I dont desire for foreign take over, I jsut am willing to accept that the U.S. doesnt always have the best product. Now you may think that is selfish, that is fine. But buying an inferior product (my opinion) jsut to deepen the pockets of a CEO, b/c it obviously wont help US jobs if plants are overseas, that would be dumb.

You'll be one of the first ones "up against the wall" when the revolution comes, lol! ummm..wow

I can't wait to see what Colin has to say about this.
Well this has been fun and interesting, but I guess there is no real need to go further, we just plain disagree. That is fine.

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I think it's hilarious how this thread started as a statistical comparo, and ended up as a politcal thread.....

John Griggs -- I understand where you're coming from, my grandfather always said the same thing. Variety is the "spice" of life though. I would like to believe that if I was in need for a good truck, or car, that I would be able to buy a foreign car w/o having to feel like I was offending someone. Something doesn't add up about that. In other words, if I'm spending my own hard-earned $30 grand on my vehicle of choice, who are you (or anyone) to scold me for my personal preference? What's the u.s. population right now? 280 Million or something like that? I am one man. I'm not launching a "Buy Japo" campaign....but if I'm going to be in debt for five years on a vehicle, I'm going to buy one based on what IT gives back, not a guilt trip because I'm not buying American.

However, with that being said, I have had some negative experiences in trying to buy some Japanese autos...Toyota specifially. Didn't have the truck I wanted, and would NOT ship it in. Therefore, Toyota can forget about my business. Not to mention their price tag.....

I buy what I buy based on personal taste, and what looks good. And most of the time it happens to be American cars that catch my eye, so you're safe John. For instance, if I wanted a sport roadster for around $30K, I'd buy a convertible GT. The 350 Z is nice, but my sister owns one, and it's lacking the "soul" of the Mustang.

If I was in the market for a big truck, Ford, hands down. Chevy's have NEVER done it for me. Toyotas......nope. The Titan is a very very close second, but because I know what I know about it, I'll pass. So, five more points for Ford.

Other "If I were to buy" cars: (under $50K)

Sedan (4-door) - Chrysler 300C

Sport Compact - Mazda 3

Small truck - NISMO Frontier

Station Wagon - Dodge Magnum

Van - Honda Odyssey

So as you can see, sometimes I give domestics the nod, sometimes foreign. But I let the features dictate my choice, and the value.
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