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Putting a 2002 2wd cab on an 2004 SAS's ranger

hi this is colton im on tims profile because i cant make threads on mine for some reason. any way i have a 2004 ranger that was SAS'd with a jeep dana 30. it has 4.88's. it cought on fire about 5 months ago and i got a new cab a while ago. it was off a 2002 2wd 3.0 auto, and mine was a 2004 4x4 4.0 5 speed. im having some problems with the wireing. i got the whole engine compartment harness and the clutch pedal out of a 2001 4.0 5 speed sport track. the injector plugs are different and the turn signal plugs are different. i put the 4.0 harness in because the the brake lines were different for the abs controler. so i put the stock abs controler in and then the plugs were different so i got the right harness for the brakes but now the injectors and turnsignals are different. so basically can i cut and rewire the injectors and turnsignal plugs or should i change back the brake controlers.....also i got teh clutch pedal out of the sport trac but do i need the wireing for the clutch and where does it go? basically what do i need to do an auto to manual swap on the new cab. and what kind of stuff do i need to do to put this cab on my truck and make it work? thanks

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HOLY CRAP.

I think I would have sold the frame down and junked the body. Start over fresh. Mega props for a whole rebuild.
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Old 11-25-2010
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thanks man...ya i loved my truck...im still fighting over the insurance money but my lawyer said he could get me 20k for it!!
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what made it catch on fire
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Old 11-26-2010
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your lawyer is a dumbass, if you get 20k ill set my truck on fire on purpose.
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Old 11-26-2010
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he could get that much because of the SAS and stuff.....and they base the price on how much it would cost to have someone do it....so that is why it was so much.....and a u joint went out in the front shaft and it hit a fuel line and sparked and caught everything on fire.....damn live axle front end....lol
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I have swapped a couple cabs and here's the deal. Normally a 2wd has rabs and a 4wd has 4wabs(your brake line problems). The problem comes in when you try to run rabs with 4wd, its hard to find a rabs 4wd gem. On a truck with rabs it gets the speedometer signal from the abs/speed sensor on the rear axle and then it goes thru the gem to the cluster. On a truck with with 4wabs it gets the speedo signal from the abs controller under the hood then it goes to the gem and the cluster. The signals are not the same.
You have a couple choices.
If you want to run a 04 or newer cluster you need 04 or newer wiring. If you are going to go with the older style cluster you will need 01-03 wiring. For it to be plug and play you are going to need all the wiring(4.0 sohc engine harness, under hood harness, dash harness and maybe a frame harness and maybe a fuel pump because of the plug), pcm, gem module, ignition and keys(because of the pats system)
With that said, it sounds like you have a harness thats usable but you will need the injectors and pcm from the sport trac as well as the ignition and keys. Just splice the turn signals in. I assume you changed the dash harness so you will have the plugs for the 4wd switch and transfer case. You need the abs controller so forget about the old harness unless you want to run 2 gems, I am running 2 gems in my truck.
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I'm still trying to learn all the electronic terms, could you please tell me what rabs, wabs and a GEM is?
And one other noob question ... lol
Does the engine wiring harness plug into the frame harness or are they independent of each other?
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Np problem
rabs= rear anti lock brakes
4wabs= 4 wheel anti lock brakes
gem=generic electronic module
The engine harness plugs into the pcm/ecm and underhood body harness. The underhood body harness plugs into the dash harness at the firewall connector. The dash harness plugs into the frame harness under the drivers seat.
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wasnt there a pretty substantial wiring change in 03?
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Yes and thats why I asked about the cluster, everything has to match year wise. And if you use 04 wiring in an older truck you will have to modify the holes in the cab the harness goes thru because the holes are different and the fuse box is under the kicck panel on the passengers side.
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Np problem
rabs= rear anti lock brakes
4wabs= 4 wheel anti lock brakes
gem=generic electronic module
The engine harness plugs into the pcm/ecm and underhood body harness. The underhood body harness plugs into the dash harness at the firewall connector. The dash harness plugs into the frame harness under the drivers seat.
Hey John,

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I'm also glad that the engine wiring harness doesn't plug into the frame harness. That's one less thing for me to worry about when I install my 4.0L.
I hope the rabs and 4wabs is in the frame harness or the dash harness and doesn't cause me any problems, because I'm putting a 4X4 engine wiring harness, engine and ECM in my truck.

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your lawyer is a dumbass, if you get 20k ill set my truck on fire on purpose.
hahahaha
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well no i didnt change the dash wiring i was going to put in a manual t-case....but what do i have to do about the clutch wiring? and i have the stock 3.0 engine compartment wiring that came with the cab i bought. and i got the engine compartment wiring from the sport track. neither one is newer than 03. and i have the 4.0 engine harness out of the sport trac too and i have my stock 2004 harness but it is cut before the 2 major plugs so i would have to do a lot of wire connecting to use my old harness....i also got the GEM out of the sport trac. should i go get get the sport trac injectors and just splice the turn sig wires? then would i need the brake system out of it too? and do i have to get the ignition or can i just get the comp out of the sport trac synced with my keys that came with the 3.0 cab? or can i use the 3.0 engine compartment harness with the sport trac engine harness and use the stock 2wd brake system?
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If the cab was from a 4wd you shouldn't have a problem with your existing dash harness if it was 2wd I think it will work with the 4wabs but I'm not sure. The clutch is not a problem. Under the dash near the emergengy brake you will find a plug thats capped(for and auto) you just unplug it and plug it into your clutch switch on the pedal. Yeah I would get the sport trac injectors so it will just plug into the harness. BTW I'm not sure the sport trac harness is the same as a ranger harness. If your going with a manual transfer case you don't have to worry about the gem. I'm not sure how you handled the brake system before the fire, did you use the 4wabs? You must have had an abs light. You might be better off just finding the harness from a 2wd 4.0 ranger and swapping to 2w abs or rabs. You can't use a 3.0 computer with the 4.0. The computer should come from a 4.0 5 speed truck and you will need to either change all the effected electonics and keys from that truck or have it reprogrammed for your keys.
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Hey John,

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I'm also glad that the engine wiring harness doesn't plug into the frame harness. That's one less thing for me to worry about when I install my 4.0L.
I hope the rabs and 4wabs is in the frame harness or the dash harness and doesn't cause me any problems, because I'm putting a 4X4 engine wiring harness, engine and ECM in my truck.
You shouldn't have a problem if your truck is already 4wd. but I am not as familiar with 04 and newer wiring. You will have the same situation with the pats system though.
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ya i got the gem from the 5 speed sport trac....can i use teh 3.0 2wd engine compartment harness that came with the 2wd cab i bought? will the 4x4 4.0 sport trac engine harness plug into it? and use all the brake system that cam on the 2wd cab? thanks
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You shouldn't have a problem if your truck is already 4wd. but I am not as familiar with 04 and newer wiring. You will have the same situation with the pats system though.
My truck is not already a 4X4 it's a 2WD but if I'm just using the ECM and engine wiring harness from a 4X4, I shouldn't have any problems with my ABS should I?
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ya i got the gem from the 5 speed sport trac....can i use teh 3.0 2wd engine compartment harness that came with the 2wd cab i bought? will the 4x4 4.0 sport trac engine harness plug into it? and use all the brake system that cam on the 2wd cab? thanks
You might be able to do it that way but you better verify the wiring colors in the plug and look up any that doesn't match to see if they are compatable. Ford could have made them different.
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My truck is not already a 4X4 it's a 2WD but if I'm just using the ECM and engine wiring harness from a 4X4, I shouldn't have any problems with my ABS should I?
Well it depends if your truck and the harness both have the same system then no problem but if they are different thats where the problems com in.
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I tried to find the plug that was buy the e-bake and the plug that is caped only has two black wires and it is way different.
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