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Hey Ricky, I've been skimming over this thread and it sounds like a really interesting idea. I may have missed it, but since it sounds like you already ordered everything I'm curious, if you don't mind me asking how much did everything run you? And out of that investment what kind of MPG gains do you expect to achieve?
All of it was 119. It was 109+10 shipping.

It includes a water4gas kit with MAP/MAF sensor enhancer.

I'm expecting 5mpg. I know of a guy with a jeep on 4.88's and 35's that went from 15 to 23 with a 1 cell HHO kit and maf enhancer.



TRoy, what did you build it out of? I am using a glass jar with metal lid.
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TRoy, what did you build it out of? I am using a glass jar with metal lid.[/QUOTE]

I just used a plastic coffee can thing with a plastic lid, but I think that's why it blew up, it gets pretty hot in there, that and I'm using copper wire leads, I need stainless. I was going to get like a mason jar, but they only sold them in 12 packs, and I only want 1.

Also, I don't have anything other than the generator, no MAF enhancer or anything, that's why I'm only expecting about 1-1.5 mpg (10%).

I refuse to pay for plans, it just seems to simple, but I'm no good at electronics, so I haven't tried to build a MAP/MAF enhancer yet.
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I just bought my scangauge too
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I look fwd to your results. The more I read the more I'm interested.

I'm still not convinced enough to try it though. I'm seeing all kinds of points being made. But people just don't seem to be worried about the EGTs and burning out the cats. I for one want to know just what the EGTs actually measure. If someone could show me they are in line with stock numbers? I'd be willing to give it a try myself.

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I would immagine EGT wouldn't rise all that much. I'm probably wrong though, heck i thought all EGT was important in was turbo/supercharged motors
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Actually if you want to know, we dont have a low oil supply. In alaska alone, we have enough oil to last us 100+ years. The oil company has just started to hog all of its oil (creating high oil prices) and trying to get as much money as they can because they have finally realized that thier company will EVENTUALLY have an end. so actually, there is no oil crisis, the oil company is just being greedy.
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Thanks Lance, Thats what I've been hearing from the conservative side or talk radio and such. The oil is there.. but the leftist in this country keep crying about the environment and so we as a country shoot our selves in the foot.

We give our money to people that hate us.. and then cry about it. Were nuts! What we ought to do is take the tree huggers and put them to better use. I say we ship thier butts to the middle east and let them thrive in that society that definately needs cleaning up.
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I got the system, it looks great! Can't wait to get the instructions so I can run it!!!
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Thanks Lance, Thats what I've been hearing from the conservative side or talk radio and such. The oil is there.. but the leftist in this country keep crying about the environment and so we as a country shoot our selves in the foot.

We give our money to people that hate us.. and then cry about it. Were nuts! What we ought to do is take the tree huggers and put them to better use. I say we ship thier butts to the middle east and let them thrive in that society that definately needs cleaning up.
Fox news just reported today that Democrats blocked MORE drilling operations in US waters. This is one reason why we can't alleviate oil prices. Lance is dead on, Greed and Greed alone is why oil prices are so high.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365627,00.html
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yeah, and its perfectly legal for the oil company to charge as much as they want, because it is a business, there is no law that prevents them from making as much profit as they want.....im just glad i got a 4 banger 5 speed haha
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Im really interested to see how it turns out for the guys who are doing it.
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Fox news just reported today that Democrats blocked MORE drilling operations in US waters. This is one reason why we can't alleviate oil prices. Lance is dead on, Greed and Greed alone is why oil prices are so high.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365627,00.html
i can't people are that stupid to vote against that.. say no immediate impact on pump prices for 5-7 yrs...even so what do u think we will be paying at the pump in that time if nothing is done?!
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Come on guys, let's leave the political talk on the political forums, no need on ruining a perfectly good thread.

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I got the system, it looks great! Can't wait to get the instructions so I can run it!!!
They didn't ship the instructions with the kit? Can't wait to see what kind of results you will have.

You have an xcal 2 running 91 octane right? Do you think that will interfere with the way the HHO system works?
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Please keep this on topic.

To answer your question, they emailed me the instructions, VERY detailed and thurough I might add! :)

I have the xcal2 running 93 octane. I don't feel it wll change the way the HHO system works at all.

I just found out I can't use my MAP sensor adjuster...not bc we don't have a MAP system (it's made for MAF too), but because iti will default the computer to open loop. Not good.
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Heres a few pics installed







I don't know if I feel a difference yet, but i could hear my engine quiet down a LOT. I used to have some serious noise at idle, now it's almost nothing.

And I made sure it was making gas the stupid way...wiht a BBQ lighter....lets just say I had to fix a few things, the whole thing blew up and the top came off the HHO. I fixed it, but kids...don't try THAT at home.
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And FWIW, I'm running 1tablespoon of baking soda in that jar. I think I am going to take some water out and dilute it a little, it got pretty hot pretty quick. We'll see though.

As far as the MPG and tuning, I'm not messing with the tuning right now. I got a MAP/MAF sensor adjuster, and I just honestly don't know what to do with it at this point. Over ont he HHO forum I was reading a guy had a 3.0 flex fuel, and he put it before the MAF (like mine) and he got a 20% milage gain. He had it back all the way by the intake manifold, and he said he got maybe 30miles more ot the tank. Now he is up to 23mpg w/o any adjustments to the electronics. Same kit I have too.

He said it is because the flex fuel is designed in a way that advances timing until it nocks, then sets it back. So when you run HHO, your allowing the timing to advance a LOT more because it won't nock as quick. Basically it in turn leans out the motor (same as the controller would do). The only problem I see is the extra 02 reading in the sensors. Someone said do youself a favor and unplug the upstream o2 sensor...I dunno about that though.

I'm going to run it, I have 112 miles and I'm at a little over half tank. Normally I will goo 210-220 on a tank very consistently (thats until I fill up). If I notice a difference, I'm not going to change anything, but if it goes to 180 or 200...I'll be doing some adjustments...
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Very intrested in your results, I might attempt at running a kit liek this as well. I just don't know how much I trust that glass jar though...
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The glass is THICK. And it's better than PVC (won't melt). And you can see through it to see how your HHO is producing...thats why I like it.

And it's cheap if you actually do break it...heck I have like 10 in my house.

Right now it seems to be producing quite a bit of HHO...it's bubbling a LOT

As for hook up, I used my winshield wiper "acc" source. It's a huge fused source that is only on when the truck is on.
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Ah thats good to here. This only cost you what 120 bucks right?
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jrpro, do you have a bubbler? If you dont, I highly reccomend that you add one.

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Actually if you want to know, we dont have a low oil supply. In alaska alone, we have enough oil to last us 100+ years. The oil company has just started to hog all of its oil (creating high oil prices) and trying to get as much money as they can because they have finally realized that thier company will EVENTUALLY have an end. so actually, there is no oil crisis, the oil company is just being greedy.
Wrong.

US government wont allow drilling. We have ~3yrs of known accesable crude oil in the US if we switched 100% away from forigen oil today. A few more if you take into account national/military reserves (oil we bought and pumped into the ground for long term storage for safe keeping, we DONT want to use this oil)

Yet, we have nearly a trillion barrels (centuries) of oil locked up in oil shale. 10 years ago shale oil production would have risen the cost of oil and was not environmentally friendly. After oil broke $60 a barrel shale oil production became economically sound. There are now environmentally friendly ways of extrating shale oil. However, our congress shot down a bill to allow shale mining in the rockies.

Also, we arent allowed to drill any more in the gulf, we arent allowed to LOOK for oil in the atlantic. Brazil recently found one of the worlds largest crude oil reserves in the atlantic.

Dont blame oil companies. Shell WANTS to mine shale oil.
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jrpro, do you have a bubbler? If you dont, I highly reccomend that you add one.



Wrong.

US government wont allow drilling. We have ~3yrs of known accesable crude oil in the US if we switched 100% away from forigen oil today. A few more if you take into account national/military reserves (oil we bought and pumped into the ground for long term storage for safe keeping, we DONT want to use this oil)

Yet, we have nearly a trillion barrels (centuries) of oil locked up in oil shale. 10 years ago shale oil production would have risen the cost of oil and was not environmentally friendly. After oil broke $60 a barrel shale oil production became economically sound. There are now environmentally friendly ways of extrating shale oil. However, our congress shot down a bill to allow shale mining in the rockies.

Also, we arent allowed to drill any more in the gulf, we arent allowed to LOOK for oil in the atlantic. Brazil recently found one of the worlds largest crude oil reserves in the atlantic.

Dont blame oil companies. Shell WANTS to mine shale oil.
I don't have a bubbler, no one with the setup I have has ever had a problem with it.

Please keep this on topic to HHO. We have several gas threads. Thank you.
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Ah thats good to here. This only cost you what 120 bucks right?
Yes, but you can get just the HHO kit (w/o map adjuster) for about 60
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How was the installation process? Difficult? Easier than you thought? Good instructions? The pictures were good but you left out your thoughts on it lol
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Not sure about the vid. I'll have to check it out again
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