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I don't have a bubbler, no one with the setup I have has ever had a problem with it.

Please keep this on topic to HHO. We have several gas threads. Thank you.
Bubblers arent problem solvers, they are safety devices.

Also, I was correcting misinformation about oil prices. Sorry for spreading truth.
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Bubblers arent problem solvers, they are safety devices.

Also, I was correcting misinformation about oil prices. Sorry for spreading truth.
Don't be sorry, I am trying to keep this thread on topic. I know HHO and gas prices are related, but save it for another thread please. Thanks.
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jAlso, we arent allowed to drill any more in the gulf, we arent allowed to LOOK for oil in the atlantic. Brazil recently found one of the worlds largest crude oil reserves in the atlantic.

Dont blame oil companies. Shell WANTS to mine shale oil.
Something to note. China based companies are drilling 60 miles off our shores in the Gulf of Mexico. Its been ongoing since before 2006.

Its also been disputed..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20...latchy/2963982

This one says their 50 miles off Key West or are going to build extraction rigs..

http://rapidrecon.threatswatch.org/2...ca-wont-china/

Odd article tossed it :

http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm..._drilling.html

Shell related news :
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=51888

The problem with HHO, some states have a yearly inspection. This could POSSIBLY void it due to safety standards. I can Guarentee everyone this will have an effect on CARB readings ( good or bad.. )when vehicles are emissions checked.

The yearly inspections should be a concern for everyone.
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You could just un hook it for inspections, then hook it back up. Doesn't seem that hard to actually install on the truck.
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You could just un hook it for inspections, then hook it back up. Doesn't seem that hard to actually install on the truck.
Good point!
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Took me about 10 mins, with all seriousness
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i'm not sure if i've had a very substancial gain, i'm at about a half tank it's maybe 5-10% better. I'm having a lot of problems, the generator blew up once, and it keeps getting really hot (i've melted 2 switches, and 1 lid), I guess that's why people pay for plans, but I'll get there eventually. I still only have $25 invested, including 'research and development'
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i'm not sure if i've had a very substancial gain, i'm at about a half tank it's maybe 5-10% better. I'm having a lot of problems, the generator blew up once, and it keeps getting really hot (i've melted 2 switches, and 1 lid), I guess that's why people pay for plans, but I'll get there eventually. I still only have $25 invested, including 'research and development'
You need a bubler and more cells. Wire your cells in series to keep the current down so it wont get as hot. Make sure there are no shorts between plates.
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F this...I'm not messing with this crap. I guess it got too hot and melted. I was only running 1/4 teaspoon baking soda...I'm pretty pissed to say the least. So I wrote the guy an email







Not worth my frustration...I'll bend over at the pump before I try this jimmy rigging crap!!!
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I just don't know how much I trust that glass jar though...
Can I say I called it lol
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You need a bubler and more cells. Wire your cells in series to keep the current down so it wont get as hot. Make sure there are no shorts between plates.
I know there are no shorts in my unit, i have more problems with my switch melting than anything else. I'm thinking about running even less electrolyte, right now I'm using about 1/2 teaspoon per liter, and i think less electrolyte would reduce the amperage flowing through the rest of the circuit, keeping it cooler, though, I still need enough to make sufficient gas.

I don't want a bubler, the way i'm running it, it essencially uses the airbox and a 1 way valve to do the same thing. I also am trying to keep this as cheap as possible, I started with a $20 budget, and the only reason i went over that, was i kept burning through switches.
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The problem wasn't the glass jar. lol, it was the plexi glass.
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Aww, Don't give up now, I been waiting forever. I want to see some sort of results.

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That is a cool video on youtube, Also all the arguments on this forum are real funny ha
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The problem wasn't the glass jar. lol, it was the plexi glass.
If you could get aluminum or tin flashing and make metal cyldenders that fit inside each other you would not only get more surface area, but you could space them with a high-heat epoxy puddy and not have to worry about it.

The one I worked on with my uncle used stainless steel plates bent into U's with a braker. They were arranged like interlocking teeth in an old battery shell. He re-located his battery to his tool box and put his HHO generator in the battery location under the hood.

Plans telling you to use copper wire...copper is reactive and will become an active electrode and do exactly what you see there, form salts that precipitate in anything but an acidic solution. What you see there is coper oxide, a red-brown insoluble salt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper%28I%29_oxide
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Here is an interesting LINK that has changed my perception of what HHO actually does. This IMO makes sense as to what's happening.. so much so that I think I'm going to give this a try when I get back from Vaca.


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Here is an interesting LINK that has changed my perception of what HHO actually does. This IMO makes sense as to what's happening.. so much so that I think I'm going to give this a try when I get back from Vaca.


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I wish they would cite their "well doccumented" casses where it increases fuel economy.
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There is an awful lot of conjecture on the subject. It's really easy to just dis-miss the whole idea. But weeding through it all.. it makes sense that it does work.

I think some guys try to go cheap. But you have to consider whats going on and what kinds of materials/chemicals are involved.

I'm going to think about this for a few weeks.

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There is an awful lot of conjecture on the subject. It's really easy to just dis-miss the whole idea. But weeding through it all.. it makes sense that it does work.

I think some guys try to go cheap. But you have to consider whats going on and what kinds of materials/chemicals are involved.

I'm going to think about this for a few weeks.

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If, in fact, it does work there is a lot of R&D that still needs to be put into it.
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Yea, a lot of people cheaped out, including myself. I just don't like the idea that the water gets to boiling point within a half hour...and thats almost not matter how much power or water your running, it should all be proportional.

I'm out for this idea...I take so many small trips anyway that the HHO wouldn't heat up enough to make a difference...thats why I get such bad gas milage.
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it should all be proportional.....I take so many small trips anyway that the HHO wouldn't heat up enough to make a difference...
That's the point I'd want to address before I'd spend any money on it. Making a flat rate of HHO does not make sense to me. It ought to be proportitional to engine demand.

I drive 360-400 miles a week (50/50 type of driving). So for me.. I could make up the costs pretty quickly. Even it cost me $500 it would only take 6 months.. provided it actually performed.

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If, in fact, it does work there is a lot of R&D that still needs to be put into it.

Control. Controlling nearly any process on a mechanical device is usually the part that makes or breaks it.

So far I'm not seeing a clear understanding of exactly why it works. And I certianly don't see a good control over it either.

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I meant to put if it does work, not it does work. haha. I've witnessed first hand it NOT working.
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I've seen setups that have a Potentiometer hooked up to the throttle to control the electricity flowing in, I'm not sure how well that would work though.
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If I get into this.. I'll either find or make a controller. Something that will look at rpms & oil pressure.

But, before I'd do that I'd want a clear understanding of what the HHO is actually doing. And what amounts have what effects.

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