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If the jackstands are mounted under the frame on the front end it should not rock
The body will rock back and forth no matter what you do. The frame should not move at all
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The body will rock back and forth no matter what you do. The frame should not move at all
The body will rock on flat ground, that means nothing.

Tell your dad that a bunch of people on the internet think he's a bad engineer.

ALSO, you can lift one side of the truck at a time and do the torsion bars. There's absolutely no reason to lift the rear end of the truck off the ground, you would only be making it more dangerous.
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the reason he is skeptical is because he is a structural analysis engineer that works for boeing and has seen the result of an air plain coming off jack stands
I'm a construction manager but you don't see my not doing oil changes on my truck because "I've seen the results of an oil spill on the slope".
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i mean from side to side. he said that if its only on two then the truck will be rockable
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He is right in the sense that the body will rock a little bit.
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The body will rock on flat ground, that means nothing.
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It does. I was trying to offer an explanation for his dads apparent lack of knowledge
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this is probably a stupid question but are you from around FL. i think we ahve a Les Schwab around here
This is kinda funny cause the guys name is snowwheeler and his dad works for boeing. Pretty good odds he works in Everett, WA.
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The body will rock on flat ground, that means nothing.

Tell your dad that a bunch of people on the internet think he's a bad engineer.

ALSO, you can lift one side of the truck at a time and do the torsion bars. There's absolutely no reason to lift the rear end of the truck off the ground, you would only be making it more dangerous.
how would that make it more dangerous? seriously dude if a truck is on 4 jack stands it aint gunna budge. with it on two jack stands you can shake the rear end and get the truck rockin. this shows me that YOU dont know what your talking about.
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It wouldnt make it more dangerous it would make it safer because three wheels would be on the ground and only one corner of the truck lifted at a time.

Yes you can make it rock on two jack stands if you try at it by shoving on the sides but all your doing is turning two bolts. Your not going to cause it to rock or fall of the stands by doing that. I have been under my truck several times while it was on two jack stands and have never had it where i thought it was going to fall.
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Your biggest problem with this is your dad is an ENGINEER!!!!! All engineers are pain in the asses. They all think if it works on paper it's alwaysgotta work in real life. WRONG!!! As a mechanic I see stupid engineering every day.


Trust the people who know how to do it properly and safely. Almost every person on this forum with a torsion bar front end has played with their torsion bars at some point. Its not rocket science
just cause you have messed with with your torsion bars doesnt mean that you know how to properly jack up a vehicle
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If you seriously think that you need 4 jackstands under your truck to turn 2 bolts safely, don't do it at all.

It's really simple, you're overthinking this, test our theory

Jack up the front, put 2 jackstands under the front the nudge the truck a bit, it's not going anywhere.

As long as you put the jackstands in a good location, you should have nothing to worry about
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or don't even use jack stands at all...just jack it up....ur only going to be under there for like 3mins...if that...and IF it falls (which it wont) then the tires are still on the truck and it will just fall like 3 inches and then the tires will catch it.....u and ur dad don't sound lie you know anything and u come on here talking **** to people trying to help you and ur too scarred to go under ur truck to crank ur t-bars....quit reading the safety manual and man up and crank ur **** if u want it cranked.....
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just cause you have messed with with your torsion bars doesnt mean that you know how to properly jack up a vehicle
Ok listen up little boy. I am pretty sure since I am a mechanic I am far and beyond more qualified than you and your dad to Jack up a truck on stands. As someone who has done **** like this plenty of times before I know what the hell I'm talking about
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Ok listen up little boy. I am pretty sure since I am a mechanic I am far and beyond more qualified than you and your dad to Jack up a truck on stands. As someone who has done **** like this plenty of times before I know what the hell I'm talking about
Ok listen up old man, i have seen plenty of mechanics do a half *** job at working on vehicles. including getting them off the ground. So dont think that since you are a mechanic you know what the hell you are talking about. This thread stared as a simple question about wether or not les schwab can crank them. You *******s turned it into a thread where people talk **** about my dad(who by the way has experience of putting a vehicle on jacks). So if you guys are just gunna be *******s about this then dont right on the fukin thread.
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Then you should have just called the shop and asked
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Your biggest problem with this is your dad is an ENGINEER!!!!! All engineers are pain in the asses. They all think if it works on paper it's alwaysgotta work in real life. WRONG!!! As a mechanic I see stupid engineering every day.


Trust the people who know how to do it properly and safely. Almost every person on this forum with a torsion bar front end has played with their torsion bars at some point. Its not rocket science
Yea ik there have been plenty of engineers that have done some stupid ****. my dad aint one of them. his job is to check there work to make sure it isnt wrong. have you ever looked up how many industrial accidents there are every year from MECHANICS/MACHINISTS taking short cuts that the engineers told them not to do? let me tell ya theres a **** load. you say that you know how to do it properly(2 jack stands). so right there you just proved to me that you have NO idea what the hell you are talking about since the proper way to do it is 4 stands. right there you have taken a short cut. you also say that engineers are a pain in the ***. without them you wouldnt even know where the hell to start fixing things. i will admitt that my dad can be a pain in the *** at times, but thats only because im doing or wanting to do something stupid or half assed
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Then you should have just called the shop and asked
i did. the receptionist had no idea what is was talking about.
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What's wrong with the 2 REAR TIRES holding the back of the truck up?
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01rangeredge im not refering to you in this, just the people who felt the need to talk ****
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What's wrong with the 2 REAR TIRES holding the back of the truck up?
the problem is that the back end isnt as stable as the front. the suspension has play and so do the tires. when its on 4 jacks the truck wont budge for anything
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the problem is that the back end isnt as stable as the front. the suspension has play and so do the tires. when its on 4 jacks the truck wont budge for anything
True, but in the situation of cranking t-bar bolts, there is a very low chance torquing the truck, but I see what you're saying
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True, but in the situation of cranking t-bar bolts, there is a very low chance torquing the truck, but I see what you're saying
the big problem is that im gunna have to do this in a parking lot somewhere cause my drive way is dirt. so what if someone backs into my truck while there is 2 stands? i would much rather have 4 in that case
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the big problem is that im gunna have to do this in a parking lot somewhere cause my drive way is dirt. so what if someone backs into my truck while there is 2 stands? i would much rather have 4 in that case
What if you have it on 4 stands and theres an earth quake? What if jesus comes back from the dead and turns your jack stands into a zebra cakes? Your over thinking this whole thing.
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What if you have it on 4 stands and theres an earth quake? What if jesus comes back from the dead and turns your jack stands into a zebra cakes? Your over thinking this whole thing.
wow your just being an assshole. If you wanna be a dick go somewhere else
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Your dads a moron. You don't have to use any jackstands at all, just a jack. You jack up the front of the truck by the crossmember enough to get the front wheels a few inches off the ground, while the emergency brake is on. And the you get under it and turn two bolts with a ratchet and socket. Not rocket science, child. Nothing will happen to you unless you either take off the front wheels while you do it or you lay under the front tires while its jacked. In either of those cases, you would deserve to die anyway. Does your dad not go in elevators unless he inspects them first? Not fly on planes unless he expects them first? Not ride in another car unless he inspects it first? Not eat out unless he inspects the kitchen first? Not drive down the street unless he inspects it first? Your dad sounds like hes still a virgin.
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This thread is fu-king retarded. lmao
Ask your dad if he keeps four jackstands and a hydraulic jack in his car to replace a flat tire. This is stupid.
It's not a freaking airplane. All you are doing is removing the weight off of the torsion bars to make the bolts easier to turn. You can use just a jack if you like, lift it just high enough so the tires are barely touching (maybe 3"). If it somehow collapses, your truck will come down 3", maybe 4" if it dropped fast. Two jackstands under the front with the rear tires blocked is more than safe.
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or don't even use jack stands at all...just jack it up....ur only going to be under there for like 3mins...if that...and IF it falls (which it wont) then the tires are still on the truck and it will just fall like 3 inches and then the tires will catch it.....u and ur dad don't sound lie you know anything and u come on here talking **** to people trying to help you and ur too scarred to go under ur truck to crank ur t-bars....quit reading the safety manual and man up and crank ur **** if u want it cranked.....
im not talking **** to the people trying to help me, im getting annoyed with the douche bags talkin **** because they think they know it all since they are mechanics. you would have to be a complete idiot to go under a vehicle that is just on a jack. oh and let me get something straight, your saying that i need to man up and stop reading the safety manual? So taking short cuts makes you a man? No that makes you a dumb ***. And you think me and my dad dont know ****, um ok your the dumb *** willing to get under a vehicle that is on a hydraulic jack, that makes me think you dont know anything. oh and your right about one thing i would be scared to get under a vehicle thats just on a jack, cause i accually think things through
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