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Tornados.. Toilet bowls.. They both don't do ****. :)
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Well, one does **** for a few minutes, then goes into the combustion chamber!
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I didn't think I started anything. Your never wrong for how you feel.. I felt like your post was very negative towards me, but then again thats the downfall of internet posting vs Face - Face. You lose the element of non-verbal comunication. There is always 4 parts to any message. The Sender, the receiver, the medium, and feedback. My telling you that I felt you were rather hostle in your answer was the feedback for the message you as the sender sent me via this forum. However, it then broke down even further because you took what I said as hostle and it turned into more then either one of us ment for it to.. If I was upset or felt that what you said may have been some form of direct attack against me then I should have PM'd you and asked what the deal was. So, I tell you what I will offer my apologies for the comunication break down since I too contributed to it..

Now, here is what I have to say on this matter as a whole..

I fail to see how a throttle body spacer is the same as a tornado.. The Tornado is supposed to create a vortex in your airstream that helps combustion. A throttle body spacer runs off of the principle of a Carb Spacer from back in the day. Oh and for what its worth, I work at autozone because I have been working on cars since I was 10.. Now I will grant you that the cars I work on are ALL pre 1975.. I don't know $hit about fuel-injection, or vortec chevys, or even TBI... I know how carbs and high-rise manifolds and all that work.. For the last 3+ years i was a supervisor for a Security Team. The company folded and i got the (output) Shaft.. So since I spent most of my time at Autozone anyway I just asked for a job..

In anycase, I understand what your all saying about the spacer and why it won't work.. But I hope that you now see from my point why i thought it would. I figured increase the cu. in. of the intake by adding the spacer and I would be good. But since this whole Fuel Injection topic is new to me I guess I should look into that before I procede.. (Damn I miss the Idle set screw and the two screws for Fuel and Air......)
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Yeah, give me a float and some jet's and I'm set! I can use a screwdriver instead of a laptop.
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My first Carb re-build was a Stromburg model WW with a leather accelerator pump... It was on my 66 plymouth.. I tried to just swap it for a Carter from a 69 but it was an emission's compliant carb and just kept stalling out.. Got a rebuild kit for the stromburg and it was all good..

Now I don't know what to do.. I looked into that XCT tuner from bama chips, but I just don't know.. This whole ECU thing is so damn confusing.. I am too nervous about blowing something up.. I guess thats why I ask these kinds of questions.. If my truck had a carb and coil and balast resistor I think it would be hard core.. But now i have all this computer crap and worse then that, the XCT tuner scares me cause I have an automatic and I don't want to blow it up.. I don't mean to be stupid, i just am.. At least with new car technology..
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Well, _____, you won't blow anything up using the tuner. Really, if it's gonna blow, it's gonna blow anyway. Like a good woman. You can't make them do anything they weren't gonna do in the first place. That's how I think about it, at least.

I have a 1995 Ranger with the 4.0 OHV with 93,000 miles on it. I am getting a tuner. I am not worried at all with my truck having a problem. If anything, i get a little more power so I don't have to drive it AS hard to get to the same point I want to be at, you know?

Anyhow, people use it, have good reviews on it, and you can see we all like them...
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fair enough.. I guess since it's listed in so many places they wouldn't if it caused damage. Plus the fact that they need the code from the PCM makes me think that the "custom" tunning is ment for "your" vehicle.

It sounds cool, Im just stuck in the mind set that with out turning a wrench you can't get anywhere.

I just don't see how messing with the ECU can make the truck go faster.. Why would Ford use the computer to hold it back?? It seems to me that if your vehicle is too slow you need to add some performance parts to make it go faster.. The computer controls what parts you have, I don't get how just changing it gives you more power..
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The site, www.bamachips.com, actually gets into detail about how it works. Doug wouldn't do us wrong.

Also, I am sure that you can enter 'computer chip' or something like that in a Google search to see how they actually work.
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thanks for the info man.. thats what it's all about. everyone working together for the common goal. Ranger Performance.. I know that I am not the sharpest tool in the shed just look at my use of the 4x4 system....

anyway, I ask cause I don't know and then I learn..

Thanks..
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I just don't see how messing with the ECU can make the truck go faster.. Why would Ford use the computer to hold it back?? :

It does the stuff you could do on your own with a carb vehicle. I would think it changes the timing, as well as richen the fuel to a little leaner or a little richer.

As far as FORD using the computer to hold it back. It's a constant battle for three things - advertised HP, Emmissions, and MPG. The government dictates two of them. Any change to one effects the other two. They probably went from recommending ?w30 oil to using ?w20 simply to gain .5 mpg or so to help satisfy the total mpg limits on their vehicles as set by the gov. Running rich vs running lean changes the emmissions output so they run it how they run it to meet emmissions, Performamce becomes secondary.
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And, the timing is managed to use regular gas, creating an "economy" for buyers. You can also mess with the ECU to advance timing in order to use higher octane gas and get more torque (and therefore, more HP).
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So the only reason we all have to spend that much cash to get our trucks running the way the Ford Designers ment, is Politics???

MPG x Emissions vs HP = WE ALL LOOSE??? That blows!!

But I get it now, I can use the flasher to do the same thing I can do on an old car.. Or at least use the maps that Bamachips provides. Mainly cause I doubt that using the "make your own tune" program they offer would be a good thing for me.. You can't really tune by ear with a laptop and the fuel pump unplugged..
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Bingo. One thing to our advantage is we have a tuneable computer. There are brands and models out there that are almost bulletproof as far as cracking the codes to retune them.
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LOL! Yes, you've hit the nail on the head. Look, I mean, the environment is important and the air is better since cars got emission controls -- it's just that sometimes it seems like it goes to an extreme.

How about this one: California won the right to set more stringent limits on toxic gases/pollutants and that's why California's CARB standards are tighter than the federal ones.

However, California has moved to make CO2 (carbon dioxide for you non-chemical types) a REGULATED output of the vehicle and to force reduction by up to 50%.

The problem with this is that CO2 is a non-toxic byproduct of fossil fuel production, but CA is claiming that since it's an alleged "greenhouse gas" it still qualifies.

Since you CAN'T reduce it like you can CO or NO or whatever by catalytically converting it into a non-toxic or reacting substance, you have to actually use LESS FUEL to get the levels down.

So, it's a BACKDOOR method to FORCE higher fuel economy standards by a state -- something that is illegal under federal law. States, as it stands, may NOT enforce MPG requirements stricter than the federal standards. CA is sneaking around this by trying to force a CO2 standard instead!

Ah, politics...

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So the only reason we all have to spend that much cash to get our trucks running the way the Ford Designers ment, is Politics???

MPG x Emissions vs HP = WE ALL LOOSE??? That blows!!

But I get it now, I can use the flasher to do the same thing I can do on an old car.. Or at least use the maps that Bamachips provides. Mainly cause I doubt that using the "make your own tune" program they offer would be a good thing for me.. You can't really tune by ear with a laptop and the fuel pump unplugged..
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Sometimes, John... You are too smart for your own good. [or, you talk alot of GOOD BS...lol] Don't you ever sit there and just like, stare at a wall and come up with ideas on how to change the rotational direction of the Earth?
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I don't believe any product out there does anything unless its backed up by a dyno sheet. True performance companies like K&N, JBA, ect always have a dyno sheet to back up their claims.
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I don't believe any product out there does anything unless its backed up by a dyno sheet. True performance companies like K&N, JBA, ect always have a dyno sheet to back up their claims.

To me it just has to make sense in my head. That is not fool proof, but I get by. HaHa.
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Sometimes, John... You are too smart for your own good. [or, you talk alot of GOOD BS...lol] Don't you ever sit there and just like, stare at a wall and come up with ideas on how to change the rotational direction of the Earth?

I already did that. You're probably too young to remember, but it used to turn the OTHER way...
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I already did that. You're probably too young to remember, but it used to turn the OTHER way...
Crap, so THAT'S how you knew about the water swirling directions due to the bi-polar forces or whatnot...lol.
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So whats the deal with MTBE vs Ethanol?? All I know about that is the rice rockets around town complained when they started using ethanol cause some had to take their cars back to the dealership for new fuel filters and some even had to get work done..

im in CT and they made a requirement for ethanol and got rid of MTBE.. Personaly I never really saw anything change for me.. I have a focus, a Ranger and obviously my plymouth.. That thing I could get drunk up and whizz in the gas tank and it would run 10's.. Not really but you get the point..
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MTBE or Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether (If I remember right) is a substance that was used primarily to replace lead. It promotes the oxygenation of gasoline and thus it burns cleaner and more completely with none of the bad side effects of lead. Although lead also was a lubricant and helped to reduce engine wear...

Ethanol is completely different, ethanol is merely used in ratios up to 8-10% (approximately) for most vehicles and up to much higher levels for FFV vehicles in gasoline. It is not considered an additive, it is a replacement. Ethanol is used to reduce the consumption of gasoline and it helps with air pollution and other NOx releases as well.

So the rice rocket people are yelling about Ethanol being in their gas because regular cars really perform best on 100% gasoline. However most of todays vehicles are designed to run with additives and such in the gas and actually perform WORSE when you use 89 or 92 octane when you're supposed to use 87...of course thats a whole new can of worms...back to Ethanol. Anyway most rice rockets "tune" their vehicles etc. etc. and would get the MOST performance from straight gas, not some additive laced junk...especially in California. I would imagine that its almost impossible to buy 100% gasoline in CA. I know around here Marathon prides itself in selling ethanol free gas, they don't however claim there aren't any other "additives".
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