96 Runs great but dies at stops?
#1
96 Runs great but dies at stops?
I have a 1996 Ranger XL with the 4.0. It runs and drives great but randomly dies at stops. Sputters slightly and dies. It will not start right away, I have to sit with the key off for about a minute or so, then it starts right back up like nothing ever happened. Replaces plenty of things along the way and no resolve. Has new Plugs, wires, IAC, reman maf sensor, intake gaskets, and reman injectors. Occasionally, it’ll start running rough and go into open loop mode and the scan tool displays OL-FAULT. No other CEL codes at all.
Trucks been doing this since I bought it two years ago and I still haven’t figured it out. It runs great at idle and as long as you’re cruising, it has no issues but as soon as you come to a stop it just cuts out completely with no warning. Torque converter has already been ruled out. Any ideas?
Trucks been doing this since I bought it two years ago and I still haven’t figured it out. It runs great at idle and as long as you’re cruising, it has no issues but as soon as you come to a stop it just cuts out completely with no warning. Torque converter has already been ruled out. Any ideas?
#2
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So an automatic
If you shift to Neutral before coming to a stop does idle stay at 750-800 or does it still stall?
IAC Valve replacement needs to be Motorcraft or Hitatchi brand, other brands will cause what you have same as a bad IAC Valve
A 20 year old wrecking yard Factory IAC valve is a better bet than 3rd part new, lol
When you shift into gear the computer should bump up the idle by 50-75 RPMs same as turning on AC should
Temporary fix would be to adjust the Anti-diesel screw on the throttle linkage
Looks like an idle screw
Warm up engine and let it idle
Unplug IAC valve's 2 wire connector
Idle should drop to 600rpms or so, if engine stalls then turn Anti-diesl screw one full turn clockwise(tighten)
Restart engine
(CEL will be on because IAC is unplugged, it will go away once its plugged back in)
Should idle now, low but stable idle, if not turn the screw a bit more to get it to stable idle around 600-650
Put trans in gear, R or D
See if it stalls
If it doesn't then plug IAC Valve back in and idle should go up to 750-800
And after engine stalls when stopping, to restart faster press gas pedal down to the floor and HOLD IT DOWN all the way, crank engine for a 5 seconds then release gas pedal and it should start
This is called Clear Flooded Engine mode
When a warm engine stalls with key on the injectors keep pumping in fuel until RPMs are at 0 so it can Flood the engine, so you have to wait for fuel to evaporate to restart
Clear Flooded Engine shuts off injectors and allows max air flow(throttle wide open) to dry out the engine faster
When gas pedal is release injector start working again
I use Clear Flooded Engine every morning to start my high mile 4.0l
It gets the oil pump spinning so no Dry Starts
I crank for about 5 seconds then release the gas pedal, and no more "ticking" from dry lifters, lol
If you shift to Neutral before coming to a stop does idle stay at 750-800 or does it still stall?
IAC Valve replacement needs to be Motorcraft or Hitatchi brand, other brands will cause what you have same as a bad IAC Valve
A 20 year old wrecking yard Factory IAC valve is a better bet than 3rd part new, lol
When you shift into gear the computer should bump up the idle by 50-75 RPMs same as turning on AC should
Temporary fix would be to adjust the Anti-diesel screw on the throttle linkage
Looks like an idle screw
Warm up engine and let it idle
Unplug IAC valve's 2 wire connector
Idle should drop to 600rpms or so, if engine stalls then turn Anti-diesl screw one full turn clockwise(tighten)
Restart engine
(CEL will be on because IAC is unplugged, it will go away once its plugged back in)
Should idle now, low but stable idle, if not turn the screw a bit more to get it to stable idle around 600-650
Put trans in gear, R or D
See if it stalls
If it doesn't then plug IAC Valve back in and idle should go up to 750-800
And after engine stalls when stopping, to restart faster press gas pedal down to the floor and HOLD IT DOWN all the way, crank engine for a 5 seconds then release gas pedal and it should start
This is called Clear Flooded Engine mode
When a warm engine stalls with key on the injectors keep pumping in fuel until RPMs are at 0 so it can Flood the engine, so you have to wait for fuel to evaporate to restart
Clear Flooded Engine shuts off injectors and allows max air flow(throttle wide open) to dry out the engine faster
When gas pedal is release injector start working again
I use Clear Flooded Engine every morning to start my high mile 4.0l
It gets the oil pump spinning so no Dry Starts
I crank for about 5 seconds then release the gas pedal, and no more "ticking" from dry lifters, lol
#3
So an automatic
If you shift to Neutral before coming to a stop does idle stay at 750-800 or does it still stall?
IAC Valve replacement needs to be Motorcraft or Hitatchi brand, other brands will cause what you have same as a bad IAC Valve
A 20 year old wrecking yard Factory IAC valve is a better bet than 3rd part new, lol
When you shift into gear the computer should bump up the idle by 50-75 RPMs same as turning on AC should
Temporary fix would be to adjust the Anti-diesel screw on the throttle linkage
Looks like an idle screw
Warm up engine and let it idle
Unplug IAC valve's 2 wire connector
Idle should drop to 600rpms or so, if engine stalls then turn Anti-diesl screw one full turn clockwise(tighten)
Restart engine
(CEL will be on because IAC is unplugged, it will go away once its plugged back in)
Should idle now, low but stable idle, if not turn the screw a bit more to get it to stable idle around 600-650
Put trans in gear, R or D
See if it stalls
If it doesn't then plug IAC Valve back in and idle should go up to 750-800
And after engine stalls when stopping, to restart faster press gas pedal down to the floor and HOLD IT DOWN all the way, crank engine for a 5 seconds then release gas pedal and it should start
This is called Clear Flooded Engine mode
When a warm engine stalls with key on the injectors keep pumping in fuel until RPMs are at 0 so it can Flood the engine, so you have to wait for fuel to evaporate to restart
Clear Flooded Engine shuts off injectors and allows max air flow(throttle wide open) to dry out the engine faster
When gas pedal is release injector start working again
I use Clear Flooded Engine every morning to start my high mile 4.0l
It gets the oil pump spinning so no Dry Starts
I crank for about 5 seconds then release the gas pedal, and no more "ticking" from dry lifters, lol
If you shift to Neutral before coming to a stop does idle stay at 750-800 or does it still stall?
IAC Valve replacement needs to be Motorcraft or Hitatchi brand, other brands will cause what you have same as a bad IAC Valve
A 20 year old wrecking yard Factory IAC valve is a better bet than 3rd part new, lol
When you shift into gear the computer should bump up the idle by 50-75 RPMs same as turning on AC should
Temporary fix would be to adjust the Anti-diesel screw on the throttle linkage
Looks like an idle screw
Warm up engine and let it idle
Unplug IAC valve's 2 wire connector
Idle should drop to 600rpms or so, if engine stalls then turn Anti-diesl screw one full turn clockwise(tighten)
Restart engine
(CEL will be on because IAC is unplugged, it will go away once its plugged back in)
Should idle now, low but stable idle, if not turn the screw a bit more to get it to stable idle around 600-650
Put trans in gear, R or D
See if it stalls
If it doesn't then plug IAC Valve back in and idle should go up to 750-800
And after engine stalls when stopping, to restart faster press gas pedal down to the floor and HOLD IT DOWN all the way, crank engine for a 5 seconds then release gas pedal and it should start
This is called Clear Flooded Engine mode
When a warm engine stalls with key on the injectors keep pumping in fuel until RPMs are at 0 so it can Flood the engine, so you have to wait for fuel to evaporate to restart
Clear Flooded Engine shuts off injectors and allows max air flow(throttle wide open) to dry out the engine faster
When gas pedal is release injector start working again
I use Clear Flooded Engine every morning to start my high mile 4.0l
It gets the oil pump spinning so no Dry Starts
I crank for about 5 seconds then release the gas pedal, and no more "ticking" from dry lifters, lol
#4
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iTrader: (1)
When you cold start the engine does it idle at 1,000-1,100rpms, then slowly drop down over the next few minutes to 750-800, it should, means IAC Valve is working
If it doesn't then IAC Valve is not working, or computer control is not working
Will the engine idle warm?
At 750rpms
Should be a red wire on IAC Valve, unplug wires and test red wire for 12v, key on, ground meter to engine or battery negative
Assuming it shows 12v, test both wires, use the other wire as the ground for meter
Should see 9v to 11v, key on, if not computer is not controlling/opening IAC valve
Computer has these 3 basic codes it can use for IAC Valve
P0505 Idle Control System Malfunction
P0506 Idle Control System RPM Lower Than Expected
P0507 Idle Control System RPM Higher Than Expected
So its ODD that you are not getting a code when engine stalls
When you unplugged the IAC valve and turned on the key did it set P0505?
What about when you unplugged the MAF sensor?
That will for sure set a code
Bluetooth code readers are $15 and well worth the money, I have used the ELM327 for many years and have no complaints
If it doesn't then IAC Valve is not working, or computer control is not working
Will the engine idle warm?
At 750rpms
Should be a red wire on IAC Valve, unplug wires and test red wire for 12v, key on, ground meter to engine or battery negative
Assuming it shows 12v, test both wires, use the other wire as the ground for meter
Should see 9v to 11v, key on, if not computer is not controlling/opening IAC valve
Computer has these 3 basic codes it can use for IAC Valve
P0505 Idle Control System Malfunction
P0506 Idle Control System RPM Lower Than Expected
P0507 Idle Control System RPM Higher Than Expected
So its ODD that you are not getting a code when engine stalls
When you unplugged the IAC valve and turned on the key did it set P0505?
What about when you unplugged the MAF sensor?
That will for sure set a code
Bluetooth code readers are $15 and well worth the money, I have used the ELM327 for many years and have no complaints
#5
When you cold start the engine does it idle at 1,000-1,100rpms, then slowly drop down over the next few minutes to 750-800, it should, means IAC Valve is working
If it doesn't then IAC Valve is not working, or computer control is not working
Will the engine idle warm?
At 750rpms
Should be a red wire on IAC Valve, unplug wires and test red wire for 12v, key on, ground meter to engine or battery negative
Assuming it shows 12v, test both wires, use the other wire as the ground for meter
Should see 9v to 11v, key on, if not computer is not controlling/opening IAC valve
Computer has these 3 basic codes it can use for IAC Valve
P0505 Idle Control System Malfunction
P0506 Idle Control System RPM Lower Than Expected
P0507 Idle Control System RPM Higher Than Expected
So its ODD that you are not getting a code when engine stalls
When you unplugged the IAC valve and turned on the key did it set P0505?
What about when you unplugged the MAF sensor?
That will for sure set a code
Bluetooth code readers are $15 and well worth the money, I have used the ELM327 for many years and have no complaints
If it doesn't then IAC Valve is not working, or computer control is not working
Will the engine idle warm?
At 750rpms
Should be a red wire on IAC Valve, unplug wires and test red wire for 12v, key on, ground meter to engine or battery negative
Assuming it shows 12v, test both wires, use the other wire as the ground for meter
Should see 9v to 11v, key on, if not computer is not controlling/opening IAC valve
Computer has these 3 basic codes it can use for IAC Valve
P0505 Idle Control System Malfunction
P0506 Idle Control System RPM Lower Than Expected
P0507 Idle Control System RPM Higher Than Expected
So its ODD that you are not getting a code when engine stalls
When you unplugged the IAC valve and turned on the key did it set P0505?
What about when you unplugged the MAF sensor?
That will for sure set a code
Bluetooth code readers are $15 and well worth the money, I have used the ELM327 for many years and have no complaints
#6
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RF Veteran
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No 4-stroke engine has Back pressure, and runs well, that's a MYTH started by people who installed the wrong headers and LOST power, lol
A properly designed exhaust manifold sucks out exhaust, creates a lower pressure at the exhaust valve ports, which boosts power
Read about: Scavenging exhaust
No Muffler won't effect engine operation or O2 feedback, just noise level, lol
O2 Sensor 2's are for Cat converters(downstream), to test if they are working, they should have a steady voltage of 0.7 to 0.8 after full warm up, they don't jump around as much as Sensor 1's(upstream)
There is often only one O2 sensor 2, Bank 1 sensor 2
Unless there are Dual exhausts, then there is Bank 2 sensor 2
So make sure your scanner is not confused and reading B2S2 which would be 0 volts instead of B1S2 which should be 0.7v+
Check B2S2 if it has voltage then scanner is making the mistake
A properly designed exhaust manifold sucks out exhaust, creates a lower pressure at the exhaust valve ports, which boosts power
Read about: Scavenging exhaust
No Muffler won't effect engine operation or O2 feedback, just noise level, lol
O2 Sensor 2's are for Cat converters(downstream), to test if they are working, they should have a steady voltage of 0.7 to 0.8 after full warm up, they don't jump around as much as Sensor 1's(upstream)
There is often only one O2 sensor 2, Bank 1 sensor 2
Unless there are Dual exhausts, then there is Bank 2 sensor 2
So make sure your scanner is not confused and reading B2S2 which would be 0 volts instead of B1S2 which should be 0.7v+
Check B2S2 if it has voltage then scanner is making the mistake
#8
No 4-stroke engine has Back pressure, and runs well, that's a MYTH started by people who installed the wrong headers and LOST power, lol
A properly designed exhaust manifold sucks out exhaust, creates a lower pressure at the exhaust valve ports, which boosts power
Read about: Scavenging exhaust
No Muffler won't effect engine operation or O2 feedback, just noise level, lol
O2 Sensor 2's are for Cat converters(downstream), to test if they are working, they should have a steady voltage of 0.7 to 0.8 after full warm up, they don't jump around as much as Sensor 1's(upstream)
There is often only one O2 sensor 2, Bank 1 sensor 2
Unless there are Dual exhausts, then there is Bank 2 sensor 2
So make sure your scanner is not confused and reading B2S2 which would be 0 volts instead of B1S2 which should be 0.7v+
Check B2S2 if it has voltage then scanner is making the mistake
A properly designed exhaust manifold sucks out exhaust, creates a lower pressure at the exhaust valve ports, which boosts power
Read about: Scavenging exhaust
No Muffler won't effect engine operation or O2 feedback, just noise level, lol
O2 Sensor 2's are for Cat converters(downstream), to test if they are working, they should have a steady voltage of 0.7 to 0.8 after full warm up, they don't jump around as much as Sensor 1's(upstream)
There is often only one O2 sensor 2, Bank 1 sensor 2
Unless there are Dual exhausts, then there is Bank 2 sensor 2
So make sure your scanner is not confused and reading B2S2 which would be 0 volts instead of B1S2 which should be 0.7v+
Check B2S2 if it has voltage then scanner is making the mistake
#9
RF Veteran
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I think you mean B1S2 O2
S1's are upstream O2s so should jump around alot
S2's should be steadier, but without working Cats they can be jumpy as well
O2 sensors generate their own voltage once they are heated above 600-650degF
0.1v is high oxygen
0.9v is low oxygen
O2s can only "see" oxygen, not fuel
After warm up, Computer calculates/sets open time on injectors and varies it to try and keep the upstream O2s at an average of 0.3v-0.5v
Cat converters burn up most of the oxygen in the exhaust when burning up emissions and unburned fuel(unburned fuel keeps the Cats HOT)
So Downstream O2s would have a steadier voltage of 0.7v - 0.8v low oxygen, after Cats
Computer runs engine Richer every few seconds to give the Cats unburned fuel to keep them HOT, so if the downstream O2 is showing a lower voltage than it should(no or bad Cat) then it runs engine richer all the time trying to get downstream O2 to a higher voltage
So MPG will go down a bit with bad or no Cats
Idle is a richer mix, so engine/cylinders don't overheat, computer basically ignores O2 feedback at idle AND at WOT(wide open throttle)
Best to test O2 voltages when cruising at a steady speed/RPM
STFT(short term fuel trims) are a %, computer calculates injector open time as STFT 0
-10% to +10% is normal
If it gets close to -20% then Rich codes are set
+20% then Lean codes are set
The % is the corrected open time from STFT 0, so -10% means computer closed injector 10% sooner than calculated to correct O2 voltage, +10% means computer kept injectors open 10% longer than STFT 0
Computer does this correction for each Bank based on O2 sensor feedback from that side of the V6 engine
Codes are not set if STFTs go up or down momentarily i.e. accelerating or decelerating, codes are set when STFTs are averaging higher or lower than 20%
S1's are upstream O2s so should jump around alot
S2's should be steadier, but without working Cats they can be jumpy as well
O2 sensors generate their own voltage once they are heated above 600-650degF
0.1v is high oxygen
0.9v is low oxygen
O2s can only "see" oxygen, not fuel
After warm up, Computer calculates/sets open time on injectors and varies it to try and keep the upstream O2s at an average of 0.3v-0.5v
Cat converters burn up most of the oxygen in the exhaust when burning up emissions and unburned fuel(unburned fuel keeps the Cats HOT)
So Downstream O2s would have a steadier voltage of 0.7v - 0.8v low oxygen, after Cats
Computer runs engine Richer every few seconds to give the Cats unburned fuel to keep them HOT, so if the downstream O2 is showing a lower voltage than it should(no or bad Cat) then it runs engine richer all the time trying to get downstream O2 to a higher voltage
So MPG will go down a bit with bad or no Cats
Idle is a richer mix, so engine/cylinders don't overheat, computer basically ignores O2 feedback at idle AND at WOT(wide open throttle)
Best to test O2 voltages when cruising at a steady speed/RPM
STFT(short term fuel trims) are a %, computer calculates injector open time as STFT 0
-10% to +10% is normal
If it gets close to -20% then Rich codes are set
+20% then Lean codes are set
The % is the corrected open time from STFT 0, so -10% means computer closed injector 10% sooner than calculated to correct O2 voltage, +10% means computer kept injectors open 10% longer than STFT 0
Computer does this correction for each Bank based on O2 sensor feedback from that side of the V6 engine
Codes are not set if STFTs go up or down momentarily i.e. accelerating or decelerating, codes are set when STFTs are averaging higher or lower than 20%
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