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I'd be all about 2 cams for $300 or even $350. Make them work with the stock springs and you have a winner. These are trucks so they don't have to be too wild. The wilder stuff will be more for the V6 Mustang crowd. Do it please!
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You would be suprised how well a mild cam will work out. I am not sure about the capability of the stock valve springs (new or low mileage), but there are quite a few modular V8 cams that work with stock springs. Of course a spring change is not that big of a deal. It just adds to the cost and complexity of the install.
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You would be suprised how well a mild cam will work out. I am not sure about the capability of the stock valve springs (new or low mileage), but there are quite a few modular V8 cams that work with stock springs. Of course a spring change is not that big of a deal. It just adds to the cost and complexity of the install.
I under stand and If I had the motor apart for another reason I'd consider a mild cam, but The Cost and time of a Cam swap IMO won't get you the gains that you are looking for without doing it right in the first place. I think there are better mods for the money involved. Just my opinion. Unless of course the goal is to just be able to tell your friends, "I Got a Cam in harr!" If this is the case Give me your truck and $500 and I'll give it back in week and tell you it has a Cam in it.

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lol well i have been talking to them today and we are looking at a 210-215 adv. dur. at .050..... which they say will be perfect for the motor.. probably a little bit more duration on the exhaust just to make it sound sweet(hehe) but i am just trying to keep people updated... and the install at a shop is looking like 700 bucks... so realistically its gonna be like a 1000.00 dollar total upgrade unless you do it yourself..
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and also when they grind a cam that dont have to grind it to be super huge lift or anything wild. i completely understand what you are talking about nick. but i have already told him that i have to use stock internals on the heads.And he assured me that i would be able to use everything inside....

also, Nick why do you have to use the cobra springs? just curious
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cause his motor turns 8000 rpms or something like that, I saw the vid
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so comp cams is considering doing regrinds just like super six?

Nickster, can you easily pull the heads while the motor stay sin the truck?

I was thinking of milling the heads but the timing will be off dangit. Considering all the weaknesses of the ranger 4.0, I may just wait to find a good shape 4.6 or 5.4 to swap in with a new tranny and rear end. Would be a nice reliable 300 horses, plus it may get the same or better mpg than I get now.
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Thomas....you gotta take all the crap out of the way of the valve covers....and they are right under the each valve cover.
LOL yes I know this

What I ment was how much **** is in the way to get the valve covers off?

According to all data it pays 6.4 hours to replace the camshafts. (or 4.6 warrenty work).... Thats nothing at all to be honest. I could have it done in probably 3-4 hours to be honest. However I have the tools at our shop to do it.

I am still interested in seeing actual performance numbers. I assume you need a tune from Doug also to make sure all goes well. I mean even you people talking about removing the radiator is damn crazy!

Show realworld numbers, and maybe make a sound clip and if all is well im sold! Other wise Im just buying a supercharger.
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Supercharger would be MUCH more worth it..
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and also when they grind a cam that dont have to grind it to be super huge lift or anything wild. i completely understand what you are talking about nick. but i have already told him that i have to use stock internals on the heads.And he assured me that i would be able to use everything inside....

also, Nick why do you have to use the cobra springs? just curious

The cams I have are .500 lift and 255 duration. I am using the 1.86 rockers. The overall lift is too much for the stock springs, they will collapse, plus I am turning 8,000 rpms.



As far as completing this job in a couple hours..... Make a vid, I will watch the whole thing.
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so comp cams is considering doing regrinds just like super six?

Nickster, can you easily pull the heads while the motor stay sin the truck?

I was thinking of milling the heads but the timing will be off dangit. Considering all the weaknesses of the ranger 4.0, I may just wait to find a good shape 4.6 or 5.4 to swap in with a new tranny and rear end. Would be a nice reliable 300 horses, plus it may get the same or better mpg than I get now.

You can pull the heads in the vehicle(unless you have head studs like I), the only problem is: there is a jackshaft plug on the rear of the block that is pretty much "inside" the bellhousing of the tranny when the engine is still in that has to be removed to gain access to the gear for the rear chain. this is no simple feat, trust me, you try to do this once with the engine in the truck, you will learn really quick how to remove it!!!
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lol well i have been talking to them today and we are looking at a 210-215 adv. dur. at .050..... which they say will be perfect for the motor.. probably a little bit more duration on the exhaust just to make it sound sweet(hehe) but i am just trying to keep people updated... and the install at a shop is looking like 700 bucks... so realistically its gonna be like a 1000.00 dollar total upgrade unless you do it yourself..

what lift and lobe separation are they considering?
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dont the timing chains make enough "noise" as it is?
no.
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so comp cams is considering doing regrinds just like super six?

Nickster, can you easily pull the heads while the motor stay sin the truck?

I was thinking of milling the heads but the timing will be off dangit. Considering all the weaknesses of the ranger 4.0, I may just wait to find a good shape 4.6 or 5.4 to swap in with a new tranny and rear end. Would be a nice reliable 300 horses, plus it may get the same or better mpg than I get now.


crane does the regrinds for super six. milling the heads will only cause you problems. i cant stress enough that milling heads on an OHC setup will cause the timing to be ever so slightly off and if you dont have access to the cam doctor for OHCs, you are SOL... The stock compression on a 4.0SOHC is 9.7:1 so i wouldnt recommend it for that reason as well. The pistons seem to be the weak point in this engine so raising the compression will only hurt you...
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just some of the tools you need:
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I am turning 8,000 rpms.
before that one little sentence gets glossed over, let me say- wow. Don't know any other sohcs to compare against. You are in a league of your own.
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before that one little sentence gets glossed over, let me say- wow. Don't know any other sohcs to compare against. You are in a league of your own.

Ignore the gay commentating, but here is video proof. GRR
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here is video proof. GRR

ya know, i've seen it a couple dozen times and i still get a grin watching it and hearing the commentary!!! lol..thanks Nick!
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You are in a league of your own.
You are correct there.
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just some of the tools you need:
not any tools i need, are you crazy,HAHA... i am having a shop install it.

and he is suppost to call me today with all the details. and exactly i am not looking for something

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Supercharger would be MUCH more worth it..
and how do you figure mark, i mean ok so you are going to spend almost 6000.00 for a super charger kit to make 60 more horse power or spend 1000.00 and have a cam that helps outt the intake and headers and exhaust system. becuase you can have the greatest exhaust and the greatest intake but if the valves airnt opening for a longer duration you are only helping yourself out so little.

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Ignore the gay commentating, but here is video proof. GRR
i have to say that, that motor is just amazing but i am definately not trying to make such an extreme motor. i am doing this to just get 10- 12 more torque out the truck, and i wont lie i want it to sound nice so thats why they are going to add a little bit more duration to the exhaust.


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so comp cams is considering doing regrinds just like super six?
no these are brand new grinds, not a regrind. they are taking a cast and building a custom brand new cam... none of that Regrind C***
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So we are talking 10-12 more ft lbs of torque? What about horsepower? Will the torque be lower in the Rpm range? 1000 dollars isn't a bad price, but I need a little more details. What about the mileage, will it be affected?
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and how do you figure mark, i mean ok so you are going to spend almost 6000.00 for a super charger kit to make 60 more horse power or spend 1000.00 and have a cam that helps outt the intake and headers and exhaust system. becuase you can have the greatest exhaust and the greatest intake but if the valves airnt opening for a longer duration you are only helping yourself out so little.

you can get the supercharger for 4500, that is 3500 extra max, that shop is going to raise their 1000$ price tag once they do one install. If you listen to what Nick is saying they will have to pull the engine, or they will wish they did.

Not to mention you have no idea how much the CAMs will even help if they will help at all.
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i will let you know all the details as soon as i find them out and thats all i am looking for is a 10-12tq gain and probably 12-15 hp
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i will let you know all the details as soon as i find them out and thats all i am looking for is a 10-12tq gain and probably 12-15 hp
for a 1000 bucks 10-12tq what does the Explorer Express give as far as TQ numbers?

if you got 15hp at 1000 the EE gives 60hp at 4000, the cost is roughly the same of the amount of power...
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ok but the kit costs 4300.00 bucks and thats a heck of alot of money and the cam is something that defiantely helps with all the rest of the mods... and again it will help if i were to ever buy a super charger.. and IMO why not. its something different
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