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Even if a alternator had less resistance then a battery (it doesn't).

If an amp calls for more power then the alternator can provide.
wheres it going to come from?

the magical increase in power that the 1/0 wire produces, or the battery?

the alternator is like a trickle charger. the battery is the power source.

Everyone just loves to jump on the band wagon.

Only if you upgrade your alternator do you need to run a bigger wire...
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I'm just throwing this out there, but why is it a such common modification if it doesn't benefit anything?
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I'm just throwing this out there, but why is it a such common modification if it doesn't benefit anything?
X2 and how does an alternator trickle charge at 14+ volts? An alternator has no measured max output, only minimum required to operate the vehicle. Yes it will eventually be maxed out but it is surprising how much they can put out
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And your truck does not pull any power from the battery while the engine is running
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I'm just throwing this out there, but why is it a such common modification if it doesn't benefit anything?
same reason everyone used capacitors for all those years. misinformation.

If you notice a difference its because you improved your ground connection to the battery, (corrosion and undersized grounds) the alternator wire has nothing to do with increased output. if anything you would gain a whole .0001 volt gain which would translate into your battery being charged ever so slightly quicker. worthless.

same reason why people buy torsion keys, misinformation

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X2 and how does an alternator trickle charge at 14+ volts? An alternator has no measured max output, only minimum required to operate the vehicle. Yes it will eventually be maxed out but it is surprising how much they can put out
its a trickle because its low amperage at 95 amps. as opposed to the battery that puts out over 550 amps during a peak draw.

if the truck runs off of the alternator then why do all the cables attach to the battery instead of the alternator? if the alternator was the main source wouldn't they all be attached to that? with the battery connected by a cable...

the big three does have a purpose. Only when you have a H.O. alternator installed.

I recommend the "Big One" for factory output alts. just upgrading the ground to the battery to the body or frame.
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same reason everyone used capacitors for all those years. misinformation.

If you notice a difference its because you improved your ground connection to the battery, (corrosion and undersized grounds) the alternator wire has nothing to do with increased output. if anything you would gain a whole .0001 volt gain which would translate into your battery being charged ever so slightly quicker. worthless.

same reason why people buy torsion keys, misinformation

its a trickle because its low amperage at 95 amps. as opposed to the battery that puts out over 550 amps during a peak draw.

if the truck runs off of the alternator then why do all the cables attach to the battery instead of the alternator? if the alternator was the main source wouldn't they all be attached to that? with the battery connected by a cable...

the big three does have a purpose. Only when you have a H.O. alternator installed.

I recommend the "Big One" for factory output alts. just upgrading the ground to the battery to the body or frame.
then why have people seen like .5 increase, and that .5 helps alot. go to Caraudio.com and ask about the BIG 3 their and they will all say do it, go to any real audio forum and they will say do it. u just dont get it.
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IT IS NOT ABOUT VOLTAGE!!!!! Everything goes to the battery first because rerything needspower from the battery to start the truck. After that point all the battery does is store the power fromhe alternator
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then why have people seen like .5 increase, and that .5 helps alot. go to Caraudio.com and ask about the BIG 3 their and they will all say do it, go to any real audio forum and they will say do it. u just dont get it.
because of the ground wire... go to any real audio forum that doesn't have a bunch of dumbass gullable kids on it and they will tell you the same thing. its the upgrading, cleaning and reattachment of the ground wire.

with a battery that has so much more potential energy then a alternator.
why would a high powered amplifier want anything to do with the alternator?

the alternator just keeps the battery topped up.. a HO alt will just top it up quicker.
once the battery is topped up then... the truck runs off of the alt.. but when there is a high current demand then the battery is there to provide the power. the battery works like a 100000farad capacitor power will instantly pull from there when the the demand is there.

Do what ever your little hearts desire... blow your money on dumb ****. wtf do i care..

I love when people explain **** with "well all these other people do it so it must be right"

why don't you wire up your tail lights with 8ga wire while your at it. you would gain mad light output!
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You clearly don't understand how the electrical system works. You have your own mad sick theories yo but you can't comprehend how it really works. Go play with you 1000000 farad caps
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Im trying to over simplify **** for your simple a. that was just an example.

You can go right on ahead and do your BIG3 im not stopping you, and it won't cause harm.

I was simply saying you don't need to upgrade the alternator leads unless you drop in a ho alt. there will be no point.

for anyone who gives a f. about what actually is the truth and not a mad theory.

magically increase your alternators output with a wire. <==== that sounds pretty crazy to me.
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magically increase your alternators output with a wire. <==== that sounds pretty crazy to me.
It's not that it increases your alternators output, it lets the current flow better. That's just from what I understand.
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It's not that it increases your alternators output, it lets the current flow better. That's just from what I understand.
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sure, but any flow increase would be very very minuet. absolutely nothing that would be of any benefit.

Dingo!

save the big 3 for the big boys with a reason to actually do the upgrade.
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Jesus your an idiot. I'm not commenting on this one anymore.


To the op... Sorry for trashing the thread
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A little update I guess, I ordered 20 more feet of speaker wire 12 gauge. The kit I ordered came with 20 ft.

I didn't bother to make exact measurements and just ordered another 20 ft

Should be here Monday or Tuesday so hopefully I'll have it all installed soon
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Good I hope your happy with everything and the install goes smooth
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lol i used to think caps were good... not till i learned a lil bout them
So what exactly did you 'learn'? Do you know how a capacitor works?

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big three can absolutely help. remember it has nothing to do with voltage and everything with amperage.
Nothing to do with voltage? You can't have any current flow if there is no voltage present. Voltage drop is the reason that lights dim when a big bass note hits.
I can't believe how derailed this thread got
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So what exactly did you 'learn'? Do you know how a capacitor works?



Nothing to do with voltage? You can't have any current flow if there is no voltage present. Voltage drop is the reason that lights dim when a big bass note hits.
I can't believe how derailed this thread got
Seriously? I'm not even going to start with you on this one. Let the guy have his thread back
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Seriously? I'm not even going to start with you on this one. Let the guy have his thread back
I agree 100%. You're just not making sense.
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I agree 100%. You're just not making sense.
I appologize. You are correct, you need the proper voltage going to the truck but the amplifier for the subs requires amperage. When the lights dim the amp is drawing all the power away from everything else in the truck. That is the reason for the big three upgrade. It allows more current flow from the alt to compensate
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lights dim when the grounds are not up to snuff or the battery worn out.

go ahead and experiment with just taking you alt wire off and leaving the grounds.. I can guarantee your lights wont dim (unless your battery on its last leg).

voltage regulator on the alternator does not like to have pulses of current drawn from it (say from an amp). which is why they tend to burn up if it has to run the truck instead of charging the battery like its suppose to..

if your having problems with dimming have your battery load tested. and check your ground connections..that can be done with a dmm. if there is resistance in your ground then that's your problem. fixing the ground connections will give you the voltage increase some folks experience. not the alt wire.

put the money you saved from buying a useless wire, fuse holder, heatshrink and lugs, towards buying a new battery...
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ok so then why does the alternator charge and run everything in the truck at 14 volts or higher? a fully charged battery will only be at 12.6 volts max
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lights dim when the grounds are not up to snuff or the battery worn out.


put the money you saved from buying a useless wire, fuse holder, heatshrink and lugs, towards buying a new battery...
Umm... What? So you're telling me my lights dim because my 0g grounds are not up to "snuff"? So if I have a big battery, and am running it on the stock wiring I'll never have to worry about dimming again?
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ok so then why does the alternator charge and run everything in the truck at 14 volts or higher? a fully charged battery will only be at 12.6 volts max
because the alternator has to overcome the voltage of the battery in order for it to charge it.

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Ok? None of that had anything to do with the grounds.
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