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Old 12-05-2006
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Well, I'm centering it under there and accepting the extra on each side. Figure it's about 2.75" wider each side, but my current setup is almost 2" wider on each side, so if you then figure the larger backspacing, it's about equal. Don't forget I'm running spindles and so my wheels are further out than even a 4x4 running the same wheels as I am.

The pumpkin won't be exactly where the Rangers is, but I'll use a CV driveshaft so I won't have to worry about the added lateral angle so much. Should be okay.

Early Bronco axle is a nice thing -- but finding one in good condition is a little iffy, and they have extra expense with converting them to discs and so forth if it's got drums. I'll just use the F-150.
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I'll just use the F-150.
since you have it why not, i know i would if i had it.

Sounds like you have it pretty well set so far John, hope its a easy swap for you, should be worth it.

Going for more height in the process?
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Early Bronco axle is a nice thing -- but finding one in good condition is a little iffy, and they have extra expense with converting them to discs and so forth if it's got drums. I'll just use the F-150.
and then they have the low pinion so lifting above 6-8" is iffy with the pinion angle.....

the last year of the early bronco had the disc brakes, but like you said, they are hard to find a good one...
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Not going for any more height now. I find the minimum height to effectively clear my tires and use it offroad desirable in a trail truck that is street driven.

Now, if I eventually end up doing rocks and stuff, who knows? Once it's fully locked and 4wd, I will no doubt start trying it on other terrain.
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Not going for any more height now. I find the minimum height to effectively clear my tires and use it offroad desirable in a trail truck that is street driven.

Now, if I eventually end up doing rocks and stuff, who knows? Once it's fully locked and 4wd, I will no doubt start trying it on other terrain.
^ good call!
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They're not much different in length, though the other difference is significant. The reason they'er not as different as you might think is the 4x2 tranny has a very large tailcone that sits where the transfer case mounts.
actually just a quick correction on this, its not all that relevent to your goal though. the 2wd d-shaft is actually drastically different than a 4wd one. yes it is definitly 8-12 inchs longer. at the end of the tail cone on the 2wd transmission is where the t-case sits, not at the beginning of it. so for a good length comparison hold the t-case up to the end of the tail cone and thats right around where it sits. I shouldve taken a picture of my two shafts when they were next to eachother. also the 2wd shaft does not have a slip shaft in it because it is built into the rear of the tranny where the 4x4 shaft bolts onto the t-case so it has to have the slip shaft in it. if you doubt this keep in mind that as of a couple months ago i now have a 2wd truck with a t-case... and a 2wd M5OD and d-shaft sitting in my basement.
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Ha ha! No, I know that. But I know it can't be that much longer or the t-case would be out where my fuel tank is.

And no, the stock adaptor for the tcase is MUCH shorter than the tail cone. The adaptor PLUS the t-case can't extend much beyond where my tail cone goes not -- there's really not room for it anyway. Don't forget the 4x4 output shaft is much shorter, implying that the t-case is closer to the tranny anyway.

So the t-case CAN'T sit at the end of where my tailcone is. My tailcone is mucho longo, lol. Did your 4x2 have the 2 piece driveshaft by any chance? Are there other differences?

Big difference between the design of your '94 and my 2002 is all I can think, though I can't tell you what it is.

Regardless of length, the 4x2 driveshaft can't work for other reasons. I will measure both of them, not including the long splined section on the 4x2 shaft, when I get an 4x4 one for comparison.
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all 2wd rangers had a 1 piece driveshaft.....
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Mr. Griggs, I'll let you try this one out first before I go & mess my junk up. haha

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actually lifted97ranger, the older extended cab 2wd rangers have 2 piece shafts, i was just over my friends a couple of months ago when he was replacing his u-joints in his 90.

and i know the difference in tail housings (2wd and 4wd) as i had a 2wd and 4wd transmission sitting next to eachother... after i pulled out the 2wd tranny and before i put in the 4wd tranny. if anything i thought the 2wd tailhousing was SHORTER than the 4wd tailhousing, but i'll grab a quick measurement from the back of the tranny to the end of each housing, who knows, maybe the tailhousings are completely different length wise between the M5OD and the slush-boxes. oh and because of the angle the t-case sits at it end up sitting NEXT to the gas tank... but it is pretty close, close enough to the point where even a small 8" doubler will make the t-case sit where the fuel tank is, requireing the t-case to actually be clocked down even farther with a doubler, although with an extended cab and the smaller 17 gallon tank it wouldnt be quite an issue. i know even with the 17 gallon on my reg cab short bed that t-case sits DAMN close to the gas tank, there is no way i could ever upgrade to the 21 gallon tank.
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Old 12-06-2006
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I see. Okay well it's not too important anyway, lol. Bottom line for me is that I'll spend the winter practicing disassembling/reassembling the A4LD before I tackle my transmission in the spring...and that I will be able to do my conversion without fabbing stuff for the tranny too. There'll be enough to do with the SAS.
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