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Well, I'll figure it out when the time comes. I'm eventually going to SAS it and throw Jeep Cherokee axles under there with 4.10 gears. Before you go telling me it's weak, it's fine for around here. Buddies of mine use em all the time.
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That's no LS...

That's straight up OPEN.

The lacking of the Ford Trac Lok LS spring is a dead giveaway... along with the lacking of the clutch packs...




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Okay. I just looked at the picture and it didn't look like either one.
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You dont seem to understand. There is no locker AVAILABLE for the case you have in that axle. That means you will now be purchasing a new open case AND the locker now instead of just a locker. Or you could go all out and spend the $850-1000 on a full locker.
Believe the No-Slip lunchbox is offered for a LS carrier. But he doesn't have an LS carrier, so he can go Lock-Right or Aussie pretty easily. MAX $400ish btw.

Full carrier lockers start at about $700.
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Then that confirms my belief that it was rebuilt. There's writing on a couple of the parts in there that caused me to think it was... Eh, oh well. Locker it is then!
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If she's been gone through before, why in the heck is the pinon gear sloppy????????
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Knowing the amount of "knowledge" he has on axles, Im willing to bet the "slop" he feels is the backlash.

http://www.therangerstation.com/tech...g_backlash.htm

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Ifthis axle was rebuilt by a shop then the would put LS back in it not open. You prolly just took a pic from a random expo. Pulled this Axle from another expo and dont know **** about it. Have fun with one wheel wonders
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Ifthis axle was rebuilt by a shop then the would put LS back in it not open. You prolly just took a pic from a random expo. Pulled this Axle from another expo and dont know **** about it. Have fun with one wheel wonders
why would he do that? and not neccesarily, it could have been swapped to open even if it WAS done by a shop. you never know.

I don't get all the negativity here. So what if he doesn't know as much as you guys about axles, you know the best way to learn? BY DOING IT. give him a break... better than being one of these people that talks about all these upgrades then never does anything.


Pete you might want to look at the axle tag that was actually on the diff if it was still there. If it was originally LS then the tag should have a 4L10 on it. if it's missing or says 4 10 or 3 73 or something with no L in the middle then maybe the axle was swapped into that expo out of another one at some point.
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why would he do that? and not neccesarily, it could have been swapped to open even if it WAS done by a shop. you never know.

I don't get all the negativity here. So what if he doesn't know as much as you guys about axles, you know the best way to learn? BY DOING IT. give him a break... better than being one of these people that talks about all these upgrades then never does anything.

Pete you might want to look at the axle tag that was actually on the diff if it was still there. If it was originally LS then the tag should have a 4L10 on it. if it's missing or says 4 10 or 3 73 or something with no L in the middle then maybe the axle was swapped into that expo out of another one at some point.
^ This. Im sure you were a moron at mechanics at some point as well, Dave. Dont forget where you came from. Ya gotta start sometime and learn along the way.
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why would he do that? and not neccesarily, it could have been swapped to open even if it WAS done by a shop. you never know.

I don't get all the negativity here. So what if he doesn't know as much as you guys about axles, you know the best way to learn? BY DOING IT. give him a break... better than being one of these people that talks about all these upgrades then never does anything.


Pete you might want to look at the axle tag that was actually on the diff if it was still there. If it was originally LS then the tag should have a 4L10 on it. if it's missing or says 4 10 or 3 73 or something with no L in the middle then maybe the axle was swapped into that expo out of another one at some point.
Thank you. No, I believe it just has 4 10 on the tag. I'll take a pic and post it when I get a chance.

Brad, no. I don't know everything about it. It's a simple little ----ing mistake because I DON'T know it all. Instead of bashing me, why don't y'all just give me a little input and help me to learn it? I'm only 19.... Some day when you need help I'm just gonna laugh and tell you to go ---- yourself, just like you did to me.
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Petus, I wasnt "bashing" you. Hell I even gave you something to read so you could learn about it. Get the stick out of your *** and learn to take some constructive criticism
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Well, shock mounts came today.
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I don't get all the negativity here. So what if he doesn't know as much as you guys about axles, you know the best way to learn? BY DOING IT. give him a break... better than being one of these people that talks about all these upgrades then never does anything.
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Brad, no. I don't know everything about it. It's a simple little ----ing mistake because I DON'T know it all. Instead of bashing me, why don't y'all just give me a little input and help me to learn it? I'm only 19.... Some day when you need help I'm just gonna laugh and tell you to go ---- yourself, just like you did to me.
Don't jump down his throat...

Or mine for that matter. There's alot of folks on multiple sites that give very good info. When the person getting info doesn't listen or gets disrespectful towards those giving, they all remember. Heck, with your mood swings, I remember. But it finally swings towards the "want to listen, want to learn" route. For example, my posts in this thread.


Keep posting updates in this thread with questions and pics! We're watching!
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i got a expo l/s for sale i took out of the expo axle i had installed. since i added a 100% better one. text me if u want it pete cut u a deal most likely.
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Demon, that's mighty nice of ya, but this will do. Now that I know that it's pointless to lock an L/S, I'll keep with the open. Still a stronger axle with disc brakes, getting an L/S was just an extra perk.

As for all of the "negativity"...I put up enough with it in life, and I just don't feel like putting up with it on here. Sure, there's other ways I can handle it other than "jumping down his throat", but there's other ways of explaining something to me too rather than a smartass comment.


Rusty's shock mounts came in today. Hard to believe that the shipping was almost as much as the damn parts themselves... But hey, day and a half delivery is worth it! Still waiting on the leaf perches that will hopefully come tomorrow...



Now onto a question about the dust shields... It almost appears to be that the ebrake is using them as a backing for support... I want to get rid of them since they're bent to hell and back. Way around the ebrake without having to cut?
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Have you confirmed you have 4.10's in that axle yet?? Ring gear thickness appears to be a 4.10. Did you do the spin test? For Example: rotate the pinion and see how many times the axle shaft moves? Just over 4 times = 4.10's. Or teeth counting and dividing. lol.




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Demon, that's mighty nice of ya, but this will do. Now that I know that it's pointless to lock an L/S, I'll keep with the open. Still a stronger axle with disc brakes, getting an L/S was just an extra perk.
You do not have an LS. Therefore you are able to install a lunchbox locker...like a Lock-Right or an Aussie. They call 'em a lunchbox 'cause they go inside the open carrier.....replaces the spider and side gears.




Related but forgot to quote earlier: to the whoever said "who would remove a LS and put in an open". I'm one of those people. Swapped in a Fx4LII 31spline axle....also geared it to 4.88. The factory LS will not work with even 4.56 gears. Had to install an Open carrier because it was the only option with the funds at the time. Later, a lunchbox was installed. Even more later, a full carrier selectable locker installed.

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Rusty's shock mounts came in today. Hard to believe that the shipping was almost as much as the damn parts themselves... But hey, day and a half delivery is worth it! Still waiting on the leaf perches that will hopefully come tomorrow...

Damn them are nice! Where's the perches?


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Now onto a question about the dust shields... It almost appears to be that the ebrake is using them as a backing for support... I want to get rid of them since they're bent to hell and back. Way around the ebrake without having to cut?
All components you're talking about here are separate components. Gotta as yourself why would a weak tin sheet metal dust shield be used to aid the parking brake system? lol.

You can always take the rotors and calipers off and take a grinder with a cut off wheel to the dust shield. Just remember to leave some meat of the dust shield there around the parking brake assy.... it is used to secure the shoes. If you look closer into how the system works and is assembled, it'll become clear to ya.

I removed mine by disassembling the entire outer assy. Drilled out rivets...detailed grinding and cutting of shields...painting. I regret not getting new p-brake linkage bushings. They fit between the caliper bracket and the dust shield. My linkage bounces and rattles around like crazy since I've not yet hooked the p-brake up. lol.
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Yeah, I know now that I don't have one. Damn I gotta choose better wording...lol I was just saying that getting one would've been an extra perk.

The perches are still in transit hopefully...Got the ones from the link you posted to Currie Enterprises. Yeah, they're so nice I think I just wanna clear coat em. Hahaha.

I'm going to eventually replace all of the ebrake components, so I think I'm just gonna take all of it off for the time being, and go brand new. I can't afford the ebrake cables and shoes now anyways, so it's gotta wait.
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I'm going to eventually replace all of the ebrake components, so I think I'm just gonna take all of it off for the time being, and go brand new. I can't afford the ebrake cables and shoes now anyways, so it's gotta wait.

I suggest waiting on the install of the axle until you have the funds for at least new parking shoes. Those are a ***** to work on with even with the axle shafts removed. They're only like $15. But will say though, I've pulled a number of expo axles at yards....and love finding a truck with nearly all new parking hardware/shoes. Made my disc swap even cheaper. lol. You may very well have decent shoes on it already.

I don't suggest removing all parking brake stuff. How you do you expect to be able to put it all back together properly if it's all removed? You don't have the other side to compare to! lol.





One thing that's disappointedly seldom talked about is how to get a working e-brake with expo outers(or expo axle) on a lifted(or 4x4 ranger) application. Fairly certain expo cables are required for their cable ends at the shoes. Actually, thanks Pete! I think I actually might attempt to get mine working again this weekend! It'll be clean too. No stupid cable clamps everywhere like I've seen pictures of other peoples! lol.
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Oh, and Shane...I confirmed that it was 4.10s because the tag on the diff says it. I just haven't gotten a pic of it yet because I got rear ended this morning before I went to work. Different story though haha.


Yeah, you're right. Just gonna leave it there and hammer mechanic the shields so they're decent lol. The shoes have chips out of them, so I was gonna throw new ones on, or once I get the cables...take it to a garage and let them do it since by the time I'm done, I'll be more than pissed off and sick of working on it. Hahahaha
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Ifthis axle was rebuilt by a shop then the would put LS back in it not open. You prolly just took a pic from a random expo. Pulled this Axle from another expo and dont know **** about it. Have fun with one wheel wonders
Not necessarily, my last job I had all I did was rebuild rear ends and front ends all day long everyday. And trust me from my experience most people can not afford to put a l/s in or a locker in when their diffs decide to take a crap on them and they don't have the money to get it back on the road. So in goes the cheapest open carrier we would have on the shelf, usually a used one that we took out of one to install a locked one in. And judging that it was after all in a explorer, it was probably a soccer mom who didn't know **** from l/s and open and said just get it the ---- back on the road for the cheapest you can.

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Oh, and Shane...I confirmed that it was 4.10s because the tag on the diff says it. I just haven't gotten a pic of it yet because I got rear ended this morning before I went to work. Different story though haha.
Don't trust what the tag says on the diff cover especially since the diff has had work on it before in the past. Pop the cover off and count the number of teeth on the ring gear and the number of teeth on the pinion and divide, that's the true way of knowing what gears you actually have in it.


Good luck with your install, I'm probably going to be doing this install towards the end of summer myself along with swapping over to 4.10s for now. 3.73s and 33s do not go hand in hand at all.
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Well, I trust the tag because if it had different gears in back, then the front would be blown in the explorer. That's my faith in it. But just to be sure....once I change gear oil I'll count em up. What gear oil would y'all suggest?
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Okay, so found out yesterday that my leaf perches won't be here until Tuesday... But today, was my birthday! So my parents gave me $200, and with that I went out and got myself all of the brake components that I needed. New rotors, pads, ebrake cables and shoes, and also a new hardware kit since I'm getting new everything. So this is how I spent $184 of the $200.



Among that, I also got some new 4x4 stickers, caliper paint, some new auxiliary reverse lights since I broke one of them off last night.....and wiring and a switch for em.
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Okay, so found out yesterday that my leaf perches won't be here until Tuesday... But today, was my birthday! So my parents gave me $200, and with that I went out and got myself all of the brake components that I needed. New rotors, pads, ebrake cables and shoes, and also a new hardware kit since I'm getting new everything. So this is how I spent $184 of the $200.



Among that, I also got some new 4x4 stickers, caliper paint, some new auxiliary reverse lights since I broke one of them off last night.....and wiring and a switch for em.
No relay and 1/4" females???





Back on topic, hurry up with your damn axle! lol. If you've got access to keep the axle in a garage, drop it on some jackstands and pull the shafts and the brake backing plates/caliper brackets off and get to cleaning and easily applying all your new parking shoe stuff.
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Unfortunately Shane, I don't. And this weekend. Shipping took a lot longer than I had hoped for... Leaf perches should be in in the afternoon. Question... My buddy took noticed to the slanted mounting spot on the shock mounts. That alright? Or do they need to be modified at all?
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Yea they're slanted 3 or 4 degrees so the bushings dont get tweaked so soon.
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Ah, okay. Might as well throw new rear shocks on too since I'm doing it.
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