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Old Feb 23, 2020
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Dome light issues

Hello all,
So I'm trying to track down the cause of my dome light issues. I know they are known to be finicky. The dome hadn't worked since I got the truck about a year ago and I never bothered even looking at the bulb until a couple days ago because I figured it was going to be a project figuring this out. Well I pulled the bulb and found it was burnt out, so I went and bought a couple Sylvania's, plugged one in and worked... the first time.

Next time I go to get in my truck just a couple hours later and it's out again. I go to pull the bulb and it breaks, so I pull out the rest with some needle nose. The bulb had a milky white residue inside which from searching the internet appears to be from over voltage. So I took my multimeter and measure the current to the dome light socket and it's steady at 12.7 with the engine off. At this point it was getting dark and hard to see, so I waited til the next day to dig in some more.

So this morning I went out to test some more things. First I tested voltage directly at my battery, engine off. Steady 12.33. Then I go to test at the dome light fuse, engine off. 0. Same for the dome light socket, 0. Which was weird because the socket was working the day before.

Then I turn on my truck, test the battery again. 14.88. Test the fuse, still 0. Test the socket, 14.87.

I turn off the truck, measure again. Battery is 12.75, fuse is still 0, socket is now measuring 12.9.

I had never tested a fuse while in the vehicle before but as I've been researching the issue I found that you can and that there should be current whether the engine is off or on but for some reason I get no readings. On any of the fuses while installed.

What's really got me confused is how the power to the dome light socket was there yesterday and steady, not there this morning before starting the vehicle, but now that I've started it and turned ot off again there is current. Does anyone have any insight or suggestions of what to try/test next? Thanks everyone for any input.

Oh and of course the details of my truck it's a 2004 xlt supercab 4x4 v6 4.0
 
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Welcome to the forum

Light bulb in a vehicle can't burn out from "over voltage", you got a defective bulb, they are all rated as 12v but are fine up to 24v

Now an alternator can send out over 15volts if it breaks down, but burned out light bulbs would be the LEAST of your worries if that happened

Yes, at rest battery should be 12.3-12.8volts
Just after startup system should be 14.3-14.8volts, under 15v, "recharge mode"
After 5-10min of running system voltage should be 13.5-13.8v, standard mode, until vehicle is shut off again

Also jump starting vehicle to vehicle can cause over voltage spikes, but again, light bulbs would be the least of you problems when that happens


OK, dome light
There are 2 power paths for dome light
The door open Relay will send 12v to the dome light
And the Dimmer **** turned all the way up will send 12v to dome light(and cargo light) by-passing the relay
 
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Thanks for the input. Any idea why I don't have power to the socket until I start the engine?
 
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Did you try the dimmer wheel?

as said different power path

When you open a door does the Door Ajar light come on?
that light activates the dome light

Fuse 13 in cab fuse box should have 12volts all the time if not then Smart Junction Box(SJB) is the problem, the fuse box is IN the SJB

Fuse 13 also does the horn, see if horn works key off, it should

Fuse 13 and a few others get 12v from fuse 5 in the engine bay fuse box, so you can check it it has 12v all the time, if so then problem is in the SJB, could be a bad connector
 

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Originally Posted by RonD
Did you try the dimmer wheel?

as said different power path

When you open a door does the Door Ajar light come on?
that light activates the dome light
I did try the dimmer wheel and it does not change anything. The dimmer wheel worked when I first replaced the bulb before it blew.

The door ajar light does work.

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I added to my post


The SJB is where the interior light relay and battery saver relay are located but they are not removable/replaceable
SJB is the Body Computer, replaced the GEM module in 2004

Diagram here of SJB: https://www.ranger-forums.com/genera...t-help-158575/

Connector C2280A is where the 12v wire from fuse 5 connects to fuse 13


Here is the wiring diagram
 
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Originally Posted by RonD
Fuse 13 in cab fuse box should have 12volts all the time if not then Smart Junction Box(SJB) is the problem, the fuse box is IN the SJB

Fuse 13 also does the horn, see if horn works key off, it should

Fuse 13 and a few others get 12v from fuse 5 in the engine bay fuse box, so you can check it it has 12v all the time, if so then problem is in the SJB, could be a bad connector
I am not able to get a reading on any of the fuses in the fusebox whether the engine is running or not. The horn does work in key off position

I am about to leave, but will check the fuse 5 in the engine bay when I get back. But from what youve said far, I'm betting on a bad sjb.

Thanks for the help, I appreciate it
 
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If horn works then fuse 13 has to have 12v key off, as it should

Remove fuse 13, Ground volt meter or test light then test both contacts for fuse 13, only 1 will have 12v

Also make sure horn does NOT work, with fuse 13 pulled out, just to make sure wiring diagram is correct
 
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Originally Posted by RonD
If horn works then fuse 13 has to have 12v key off, as it should

Remove fuse 13, Ground volt meter or test light then test both contacts for fuse 13, only 1 will have 12v

Also make sure horn does NOT work, with fuse 13 pulled out, just to make sure wiring diagram is correct
With fuse 13 removed, it measures 12.72v. The horn does not work with it removed. Engine bay fuse 5 measures 11.38v
 
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And that's Key OFF, right?

So that's all OK, I chock up 11.3v to poor connection on meter

So dome light should work with fuse 5 and 13 back in place
If not then its down to interior lamp relay, but dimmer wheel should still work



 
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Originally Posted by RonD
And that's Key OFF, right?

So that's all OK, I chock up 11.3v to poor connection on meter

So dome light should work with fuse 5 and 13 back in place
If not then its down to interior lamp relay, but dimmer wheel should still work
Yes, that's key off.

I put another bulb in just to see what would happen and it didn't illuminate. I checked voltage in the socket and it was 0 both off and on so I think I might have put something in the wrong place. Anyhow, it's dark now and hard to see. I'll go over everything in the morning and see what I find.

Thanks again for all your help
 
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If you also have Map Lights, they share the same ground with Dome light, also same fuse 13 12volt

If no Map lights then test your ground at the dome light, with OHM meter, should be close to, or at, 0 ohms to another cab ground

Black/light blue stripe wire is the 12v for dome light, should have 12v with door open or dimmer wheel turned all the way up
Light green/orange stripe wire is 12v for Map lights, always has 12volt, well as long as battery saver relay is closed, lol

There is no Ground wire, dome light is grounded to cab metal with its mounting point screws
 
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Does this vehicle have one of the Interior Light Out Timers, could that interfere ?

 
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