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Do you know of any tranny/engine combos with these new motors that will work with 4wd? Id would actually prefer the 2.7 EB over the 3.5
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BLK02,

I do not know much about the Ranger 4WD transfer case vs what is used in 2011-2015 F150's. But, I suspect that if you start with a 4.0L/5R55 4WD Ranger, the 6R80 from a 4WD F150 might just mate to that transfer case, or be made to mate with some machine work. Worse case, just swap-in the 2015 F150's 2.7L Ecoboost with it's 6R80 and transfer case.

Today, you can buy a low-mile salvage F150 Ecoboost 4x4 truck that runs and lot drives (usually a roll-over) for about $10K or less. That gets you every part you need, except an intercooler that will fit your Ranger. I suspect that after a few months of sales, you will be able to buy a 2015 2.7L Ecoboost F150 for about the same money. To get a standalone harness made from your used F150's harnesses, keeping all the 4WD features, will cost about $1200 labor. You will also need the PCM re-programed to work with the new harness, which would cost another $450. Once the truck is up and running, it will likely need a dyno tune to match your air intake system and add some boost, raise shift pressures, etc., which runs about another $600. Not a cheap project.

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I guess i forgot to add that i only would go for standard tranny. Not a lot of good 5/6 speed 4x4 trannys
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Well, for a manual trans application you will need to wait and see what Ford Racing does, all F150s come with the 6R80 auto trans. A 4x4 manual that will bolt up to a 3.5L Ecoboost is beyond me. The only manual that I am aware of that will bolt-up is the 2011-2014 Mustang 3.7L V6 6-speed.
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I guess thats all another reason to not bother lol, stock 4.0 with maybe a supercharger will keep me happy for now
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I have 2011 f150 Eco boost That I'm parting out. Would sell complete drop out with tcase ecm and all wiring
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I know this is about the EB but to me the 3.5/3/7 non-EB would be plenty of engine in a Ranger and would be cheaper and less swap pain to boot. I've got to think the 3.5/3.7 non-EB weighs less than the 4.0L SOHC too...
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SAD!

I'm very glad our early hot-rod pioneers did not have the same poor attitude as some of you have. Once as a child I saw Bigfoot, I remember the old guys talking about how those big'ol Army truck axles were stupid on a pickup. Now I can think of dozens of my friends who run Rockwells. I remember my dad telling me that 33's were too big to be useful off-road and that I should stick to a good tire like a 7.50-15. Point is someone has to pioneer innovation in our sport.

I'm very interested in a 3.5EB swap into my FS Bronco! Just waiting on Ford Racing harness to be available. Might even use an AWD transfer case. OH THE HORROR!!!!
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6gun, it's not that I don't think anyone wouldn't want to see it done, it's that the Ranger doesn't have the space that a FS Bronco has, so getting the EB 3.5L in there is going to require more work than say the non-EB 3.5/3.7L, it's going to cost more (and that's really why I'd like to see a 3.5/3.7 non-EB, as I'd speculate picking one of those up just has to be way cheaper than the EB 3.5L setup), plus the drivetrain is going to have to be beefed up.

Hell if we're going to talk about the EB 3.5L being swapped in, what would be even more awesome would be the 3.0L V-6 Clean Diesels RAM, BMW, or Mercedes offer. Short of a sport truck, that'd be a heck of a lot more useful...
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I think it would be called resourceful more than innovating, if you have the need you find what works, but that's just semantics

Fellow here is putting a 1.9l TDI VW engine in a 2005 Ranger: BEW / 05 Ranger automatic swap - TDIClub Forums
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I know this is about the EB but to me the 3.5/3/7 non-EB would be plenty of engine in a Ranger and would be cheaper and less swap pain to boot. I've got to think the 3.5/3.7 non-EB weighs less than the 4.0L SOHC too...
Right not I am driving a F150 Reg Cab work truck with the 3.7 N/A and six speed auto.

Outside of the normal new engine/trans issues (electronic throttle and femal transmission) its pretty good driver. Mid range torque is weak but in the ranger that thing would fly........I also get the same gas mileage with the full size F150 and my 2wd Ranger........
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I wonder how much a lower mileage 3.7 N/A and six speed auto costs from a wrecker?
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I think your biggest will be the pcm, put in an 2014 non eco boost in a model and did all the wiring, even had the pcm reprogramed by a shop , but they could not do everything to the pcm that needed to be done, had to send it back to ford in Dearborn to have them turn off the anti theft. You can have shop do most of the reprograming of the pcm, but if you are not using all, and I mean all of the parts of the anti theft it will never fire the engine. The dash in the mustang has a chip for the anti theft and if you don't use the complete dash , ignition key, door key, it won't work. If you want to use the dash you need the gauge control module, sending unit that will work for the gauges and more things that it is not worth trying to fit up. The best way will be to wait for ford to get a stand alone harness and pcm that has only what is needed to run the engine and don't live in a state where you have to smog it because I don't think that it will pass smog.
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Can you share how much that cost, having Ford turn off the anti-theft?
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I will see if I can find that out, only work there part time now, but when I made the wiring harness for it I had the stock mustang harness to work with. You would need the complete engine harness, dash harness, if you want to run the stock trans you would need the trans, and center console harness for the connections for the shifter. You would need the stock shifter as well. With the model A we only used the mustang harnesses for the most of the car, what I think might be difficult is blending two different harnesses to make a complete truck. I also did that , but was on a 2005 GT setup and we did not need the gauges to make the car work.
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3.5L Ecoboost/6R80 swaps are now a lot easier to wire-up. Both HP Tuners and Lund Racing are now claiming that they can remove PATS from 2011-up Ford PCMs. Using HP Tuners software you can also turn off communications and fault codes for any modules on the CAN bus that you want to delete.
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i have been swapping **** people say would never happen into rangers for nearly 3 decades.

almost exclusively the dumb hillbilly way.


so the idea of banning ecoboost threads sent me rotflmao to say the least. given the span of time these threads entail i do see where one could have grounds for such things...and i appreciate the sentiment behind the statement.

i think banning anybody from posting in a ecoboost swap thread that has never swapped an engine before would be more productive....that is if a ban was actually a productive idea.


i got some threads to look at from a guy that found out i was moving back to detroit.....walt 460 was the topic and contact with lund ensued.

somehow i ended up here
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bobbywalter,

Back to Detroit area? After 32 years working there, glad to be in Southern Nevada now.

Detroit area does have a lot of really smart car guys, many with direct ties to an OEM. I worked at Ford, spent a lot of my time in Powertrain and Powertrain Electronics, and I have tried to keep up with all the latest Tech Ford brings to market. I have done some swaps myself, but I have helped a lot of others as well, mostly with wiring of the engine/trans controls.

I have been hoping that someone would start an Ecoboost Ranger swap, even the 2.7L EB would make a Ranger move quickly. Clearly the engine itself will fit, it is smaller than the 4.0L V6, it is going to be a turbo plumbing and wiring challenge.
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Old 08-18-2015
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bobbywalter,

Back to Detroit area? After 32 years working there, glad to be in Southern Nevada now.

Detroit area does have a lot of really smart car guys, many with direct ties to an OEM. I worked at Ford, spent a lot of my time in Powertrain and Powertrain Electronics, and I have tried to keep up with all the latest Tech Ford brings to market. I have done some swaps myself, but I have helped a lot of others as well, mostly with wiring of the engine/trans controls.

I have been hoping that someone would start an Ecoboost Ranger swap, even the 2.7L EB would make a Ranger move quickly. Clearly the engine itself will fit, it is smaller than the 4.0L V6, it is going to be a turbo plumbing and wiring challenge.


you are a regular here? great...i wont have to join a another forum..

most of my immediate family is in prototype and engineering....many at ford. so we may know each other. whats real funny is i was planning to move to sparkz nevada or up a bit further to truckee but the land grab deals in utah that went thru in 09 killed my job out there...so i stayed in michigan.


i have a few people bugging me about the ecoboost. frpp...or whatever the com arm is, is anything but help. between livernois, lund, and quicktime things have a bit more clarity...i ran some questions pas php and he is not letting anyhing go.... watson is a key player it seems though...have been for lots of stuff the last ten years or so. the procurement costs for the powertrains have dropped pretty good, getting it all is too expensive in my opinion. this will make the buss elimination capacities a turning point in this game. i think if a guy wants an ecoboost, now is the time to buy an engine before any turn key wiring kits become available...with ford letting them go under 7 grand new in the box it may keep the junkyard prices in check, but you never can predict these things. but they sell 2300-3700 pretty regular now. thats not cheap enough for the power output for me to use personally....but its getting close enough i would do it for someone elses wallet.

if i can fit a v8 diesel in one of these.....not gonna be real worried about one of those little guys fitting under the hood.
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The Ford Racing kit, if it ever appears, will be for manual trans applications only. That is good for some, but not so much for others. Yes, Quicktime has done some bellhousings available to mount a manual trans to the 3.5L EB.

If anyone wants to do a 3.5L EB swap with the 6R80, they need to buy a wrecked or rolled-over F150 that still lot-drives. This way you know you have all the EB related parts you need to make the swap.

As we sit, some aftermarket companies are claiming that they can remove the 2011-2014 EPATS system if you send them your PCM and allow them to modify it and install their software. Personally, I have not confirmed that HP Tuners or Lund Racing can really do this, just claims I have seen on other forums. My request for information from HP Tuners has gone unanswered.

If you Google "1966 F100 Ecoboost" you will see a reference to tread on garagejournal.com. This guy took all the components from a 2011 F150 and installed them in a 1966 F100. He took a lot of parts! You do not need to take all that he did, but he just proves "If it worked in a F150, I can make it work in my project truck."

Send me a message on hereif you want to talk off-line.

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Read thru some on the f100 thread and he is taking on a lot !! The model T I worked on only used the engine and trans, not steering , dash , climate control, wow that is a lot of work. Everything on the new fords is integrated, and only some of them can be turned off by tuning devices, the rest has to be plugged into Fords main frame, dealers can do that, but dealers can only do so much. We tried to deal with a tuning company with a sct, they said they could do all of this stuff too, nope!! Sent them the pcm, came back with the pats not off and they couldn't answer why, so until they can prove they can do it don't believe them. The owner has been dealing with ford for decades and new some one at ford that would help, ford was the only one that could at the time do it, and maybe still is the only one. Make sure that anyone that say they can do this stuff can also sell you the terminals and connectors for the ford parts, very hard to find most of the new ford connectors, can't even get all of the " repair" terminals ,put in a gt engine and trans in a pantera and had to buy the gt wire harnesses to get many of the connectors, cost the customer over 2000.00 to get them.
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Hi tac1015 and Walt460

First let me apologize for posting on a ranger forum when I don't actually own a ranger. I could really use some help with a 3.5 ecoboost swap in a 2010 mustang, I was hoping to get in contact you guys here. Walt I have been reading your posts about the 3.5 ecoboost on several different forums for over a year now. You both seem educated about the ford platform and I was hoping you could offer me some advice?

The engine is completely installed, PATS has been removed by HP tuners but the car still won't crank. Everything acts as though the car should start, relays inside and out click with the key, lights click off when the key is turned, but the fuel pump relay and starter relay are not energizing. We are sure it has something to do with the anti-theft but not sure how to proceed. Can you offer me any advice on how to get this engine started? Thank you I'm advance!

Here is a link to my build thread. You guys are welcome to join the discussion there if you wanted!

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Sounds like you are missing a ground that normally exists near the BCM at the base of the passenger side A pillar.


QUOTE=Ecostang;2100362]Hi tac1015 and Walt460

First let me apologize for posting on a ranger forum when I don't actually own a ranger. I could really use some help with a 3.5 ecoboost swap in a 2010 mustang, I was hoping to get in contact you guys here. Walt I have been reading your posts about the 3.5 ecoboost on several different forums for over a year now. You both seem educated about the ford platform and I was hoping you could offer me some advice?

The engine is completely installed, PATS has been removed by HP tuners but the car still won't crank. Everything acts as though the car should start, relays inside and out click with the key, lights click off when the key is turned, but the fuel pump relay and starter relay are not energizing. We are sure it has something to do with the anti-theft but not sure how to proceed. Can you offer me any advice on how to get this engine started? Thank you I'm advance!

Here is a link to my build thread. You guys are welcome to join the discussion there if you wanted!

Mustang 3.5L Ecoboost engine swap - The Mustang Source - Ford Mustang Forums[/QUOTE]
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Just to make sure we are on the same page we used the mustang BCM. I will look in to that today, thanks for getting back to me!
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Sounds like you are missing a ground that normally exists near the BCM at the base of the passenger side A pillar
I checked the ground it is attached, like I mentioned above we used the mustang BCM. I do have a f150 bcm but we wouldn't be able to make the car work properly with it...unless we ran both BCMs which we considered.
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