just so we don;t get sideways here, there is no reason a car can't run on Hydrogen. They do it with propane and they do it with Methane. Hydrogen is not gonna be that much different. The conversion kits are on the market. I would still say if you are gonna go forward with it, look into the similarities between propane and Hydrogen. If they are simialar, go get you a carbureted vehicle and install the propane "conversion kit" (so it doesn't blow up) and go for it.

If you can figure out how to get 300 miles out of a tank without the tank taking up all the cargo space, let me know and I'll convert my truck..

 

You really need to open a book and learn something rather than repeating random stuff you find on the internet in an incoherent manner...seriously, to anybody with a high school education in chemistry and physics you sound like this:
"blah blah blah hydrogen blah blah blah solar panel blah blah blah monkey blah blah blah perpetual motion"

At the beginning of this thread I optimistically hoped you might have come back with a different attitude, but I was wrong. I don't expect you to have a college education in science, and I think its cool that you are interested in this, but you seriously need to spend your time educating yourself rather than arguing with people that know a lot more than you. Drop the attitude, attempt proper and coherent English, and make an effort to learn from every available source rather than arguing randomly and I think you will find more respect and more success.

 

KoDak,

Three questions for you.

1. Are you Bipolar?

2. Are you off your medication?

3. Is this your perpetual motion machine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvRzWYCZ2e0

 

haha now that hilarous

 

Do you even have a ranger dude? Cant you make a video of your generator and prove to everyone that you actually did do it?

 

KoDak, don't let anyone talk you out of spending all your free time and money on the perpetual motion machine. When you get it perfected you will be the richest man in the world. You will be able to license it to anyone needing energy produced from nothing. Don't believe all the nay-sayers, they are wrong.

Let us know when you get it working.

 

I am beginnig to think that KoDak does not truly understand what a perpetual motion machine is. I think he wants to build a free (as in money) energy machine not a machine that provides power without energy input. If you use the sun to provide power, then you do not have a perpetual motion machine. The sun is a fuel or energy source and is in one way or another about the only source of energy we have. I can't find a way to link atomic energy to only our sun but it is still linked to the stars (other suns).

 

your right its very simple to run a car off hydrogen.. and i know they do it with propane and methane but gases even though they are gases they are not the same, you may be able to use a propane conversion kit, but how much are those? not cheap.. all you need to run on hydrogen is 2 engine controllers... and your set to go... i would just get the controllers instead of risking running hydrogen in place of propane.. you can do it if you want, but im not stupid enough to try..
you can go 300 miles without taking up cargo, the tanks are prolly about the size of a large nos tank, you can mount them anywhere.. if you really wanted to just drop your gas tank and mount the hydrogen tanks in its place... but i know how all you like off roading so i would suggest a skid plate to protect the tanks since they will cost about 1700 bucks, but they really dont take a lot of space, you could mount them in the bed of your truck and still have plenty of room for cargo...


well it doesnt cost 20,000 bucks for solar panels, it will cost about $2,000 for enough solar panels to run the hydrogen generator efficiently...
ok happy now? if you went to the site i said to go to it says that a complete hydrogen kit will cost 7-10 grand... thats everything needed to make and run hydrogen in a vehicle

What? i didnt suggest solar, im saying use solar... you need 5 solar panels to run a hydrogen generator, that 2000 bucks... electricity would then be free to run your generator... i never said plug into your house, that would defeat the porpose.. you would have a fairly larger electric bill which would then compare to gas... just use solar...

again, what? i cant understand half of what you say but i kinda know what you mean.. but yes he is stupid, and READ THIS you do NOT get paid to feed the grid, it is pointless to do so... so his porpose of making enough electricity that all excess goes in the grid is stupid.. just put it all in batteries... no excess
and based on my right to consider the hydrogen house guy is stupid, would a guy putting that solar electricity straight into his grid call me stupid?

well truthfully he would call me stupid.. but hes the one wasting electricity by putting back into the grid... who would you believe? the guy wasting electricity? or the guy who makes his own electricity and fuel for extremely low costs, almost free? he is the stupid one.. the hydrogen generator system kit runs by itself.. you dont plug it in, all you do is add water.. thats it and you make fuel...

ok first off you just said he didnt burn his hydrogen, unless your just saying he has enough to use and then some, but get better wording... and he seriously has a 10,000 gallon tank? lol i wouldnt want to live within 100 miles off that guy, thats just a huge bomd waiting to blow...the military made or still makes hydrogen bombs... and thats all he made.. i dont even think the government will allow you to store that much hydrogen in one area... and i know he didnt fill it with metal hydride and argon because well first thing you prolly cant get that much at one time, and it would cost way more than just using the damn batteries... plain and simple... do you get that yet? 2nd you can store way more electricity in a battery than you can with hydrogen for the same area usage..

hydrogen wont work with a propane conversion kit whatever, if it did work people would have already done it..

um yes... its wasting electricity, i get that he is using it as his battery but your wasting a lot more enegy than just using a battery...

 

well by the way you talk i figure you went to college, have a fairly well education, you know a thing or two about science and physics.. but have you made a hydrogen generator? done any research on it? do you know what it may take to run it in a vehicle? i doubt it but if you do then you know what im talking about, and there really shouldnt be any reason for you to post in this thread, if you know all about hydrogen then you know it will work...
and really, who has an attitude? you say i say blah blah blah to any high school educated in chemistry and physics, you dont even know what ive done, ill admit i didnt go to college, its just a waste of money, if i dont know something i look for it until i do.. i graduated high school when i was 16.. im not stupid like you may think... and if you dont agree with what i say then go to the site i said to go to.. they explain it all and they know a whole lot more than you do about it...

 

its hard to tell when people are serious or sarcastic sometimes but you seem serious so i give my thanks, and for the prototype it wont be crazy expensive but it will still cost a bit, the actual first machine will of course be another prototype but it will be the real thing.. just to tell you a few things for cost, one of the pieces of metal used in the machine will cost around $1000 and another component will cost more than $5000, thats 2 parts to my machine. but when its done and works.. like he said ^ ill be rich... and ill tell you when i get it done if it works or not but it prolly wont be for quite awhile still...
the whole machine will be 2x2x3 feet in size approx. and for the output is of course unknown, idk how much power it will make until i build it...




i know excatly what perpetual motion machine is.. its a device that creates energy without using any energy or a machine that creates ore energy than it uses... if you read the posts my perpetual machine will cost quite a bit of money... but i guess you cant read sorry.. my idea requires no electricity to run, it will run off nothing and run forever.. non stop... and im not using the sun or solar anything...


yes i do, a 1999 xlt stepside 3.0.... and yes i could make a video, but my brother who has it lives across town and works 6 days a week and he doesnt have the right connections at his house to have it run correctly... when we get everthing in one place and a day off on the same day then i might make all you a video...

No

dont need medication, you do..

and no, i havnt made a perpetual motion machine yet..

 

Brilliant idea...waste your money on something that is easily proven to be impossible.

 

Dude, stick two wires connected to a battery into a glass of salt water and you're making hydrogen...it's not hard...it's not new.

Like I said, there is nothing to say you can't run an engine on hydrogen, but you have no clue what you are talking about. Sure, any fool can make hydrogen from water, but there is more involved than just releasing hydrogen gas into the intake of your engine. I doubt you graduated high school when you were 16. If you aren't still in high school I would say you dropped out...or were home schooled in a pretty lax environment. You haven't shown a bit of the work required to engineer something like this, its all just ideas...no math...no engineering. Like I said, ideas are great, but you still need to do a lot more research and a lot more work to even get an engine running off of a tank of hydrogen.

College a waste of money? All you would need is one physics class to recognize that perpetual motion is not just something nobody has figured out yet, its something that is impossible. The light bulb was not something people could prove was impossible, just something nobody had quite mastered. Quantum computing is not something that can be proven impossible, just something nobody has completely mastered yet. Perpetual motion is impossible. You are not going to build something that has an efficiency of 100% or greater. You must have left high school in such a hurry when you graduated at 16 that you missed the laws of thermodynamics.

 

The hydrogen house has ten separate 1,000 gallon storage tanks. He has spent $500,000 on it. I assume it is stored as a liquid. I caught it on a TV show. I was pretty impressed that he went out and did something that was a passion of his. I would assume that a lead/acid battery system was out of his range of building an environmental friendly system that would outlive him.

Compare that with the website you linked which stated:
Our Hydrogen Fuel System is not yet available for sale. ...............The legal action is due to the actions of the CPSC (Consumer Product Safety Commission) attempting to remove the necessary chemicals used in this system from public use.


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I'm about done with this thread. Don't know what else to add other than wondering what you are actually trying to do.
Run your vehicle for cheap (after a $7-$10,000 conversion)?
Make an environmental friendly solution for your energy needs?
Make a system cause people are bashing on you?

I am totally missing the point on why you are trying to do what you are trying to do. Help me out here.

 

your just making this guy sound dumber and dumber... not only does he have a hydrogen bomb, he has ten! and storing as a liquid... c'on your full of it... that would take way more electricity than its worth, theres no way this guy accomplished anything, he spent millions of dollars on this crap just to power his house... hydrogen liquid is extremely dangerous, more so than as a gas in an un protected tank.. liquid hydrogen can compress more than a gas, so you have a more explosive bomb... and to keep hydrogen a liquid it has to be -400 degrees F.. you touch the tanks and they will freeze your hand, if it explodes you have beyond freezing liquid spraying everywhere and a huge bomb all in one.. the only good thing is it might not catch anything on fire when it explodes because its freezing everything at the same time... to keep liquid hydrogen -400 degrees it requires a lot of electricity, more than hes making... unless he spend millions of dollars on solar panels...

ok i dont get what your trying to say there but the only thing they are trying to get rid of is the argon gas and metal hydride which is in the storage tanks..
but those are required to store hydrogen safely, so they are trying to find a loop hole or a way to sell it as it is... so they are at a stand still as of now...

i am trying to run my vehicle for cheap, and make an invironmentally
friendly solution, but no i thought up this before anyone said anything, they just havnt been helpful, i came here to inform people that you dont have to pay for gas using this and they all think im the craziest person alive.
and the company is selling the kit for 7 to 10 grand.. thats why im making my own hydrogen generator... its cheaper that way, im making most this stuff for me, im not selling it or anything, im just saying this is what you can do, if my idea for the plates is more efficient than what everyone has now then ill sell the patent to a big company, thats why i havnt told you much about what weve made... im not really helping anyone but myself with the hydrogen generator idea, like i said im just telling you...





i never said it was hard, new or anything amazing..


i do know what im talking about. you take two electrodes, usually plates connect them to a power source. (a battery is not enough to make hydrogen efficiently, you would need quite a few car batteries and constant power source to all of them) so skip that... you collect the hydrogen you make, compress it into a metal hydride tank with argon gas to protect the hydride, the hydride to absorb the hydrogen so it is stable, heat it when you want to get the hydrogen out of the tank and connect the tanks to your vehicles air intake, use two engine controllers, (one small engine controller, up to 20 hp and a large controller to monitor the fuel to air ratio before and after its burned for better fuel efficiency, Using Hydrogen, the only exhaust products produced are water vapor and a tiny amount of Nitrogen Oxides. It's about as clean burning as you can get.
now tell me what part i dont know..

i did graduate when i was 16. im not in high school, i didnt drop out.. but you hit it right on with the home school and lax invironment, but being home schooled still doesnt allow you to graduate early, i took the CHSPE at 16 and got a high school diploma, the test is based on what you would have learned and known in the last year of high school, i was just smart enough not to waste two more years of school and i graduated early... but by taking the test and passing it actually proves im smarter than 90% of most high school graduates.. thats proven by statistics, ill look it up and find it again if you dont believe me..



i hate it when people are stupid... first off you make it sound like there is actually a lot of engineering to do this, like you said earlier, just stick two wires into water connected to a battery and tah dah, hydrogen... whats so hard about that? and what work is required to engineer a hydrogen generator?
as of now i dont have all the math you may want, and most of it is an idea but we made the idea and it worked great, we need a flow meter and voltometer to figure out all the math, we turned it on as soon as it was done just to see how well it worked, we havnt done anything since.. what more research do i need? i know how much power it takes to make hydrogen efficiently, i know how much you need to go so far, i know everything needed to run a car off hydrogen, i know everything i need to know to make it work right...


actually going to school at college is a waste of money, separate classes are fine, then you dont need anything else thats stupid.. if perpetual motion is actually impossible why does NASA have a reward for whoever figures it out? if it is impossible that is stupid to even do... there is a way to make a perpetual motion machine, just no one has been able to figure it out yet.. i know my idea prolly wont work the first time but it sure as hell is gunna do something, if it doesnt work all by itself i will still make perpetual motion with a little bit of help... but im sure it is possible to create greater than 100%, and im gunna make it... hopefully.

but to make a machine that is 100% efficient, it is not perpetual motion. you must produce greater than 100%...

 

I made the assumption it was stored as a liquid thus the term "assume". It very well could be, not 100%. As stated earlier, this guy DID IT! Dumb is not in my vocabulary for this guy. Call him a pioneer or a visionary or a man that puts his money where his mouth is...not dumb.

If you are interested here is a link I found:

http://got2begreen.com/the-first-eve...ydrogen-house/

 

D. and KoDaK have something in common.

lol

 

Ok, this is really starting to feel like talking to a 12 year old...its like you are so offended that we are making sense that you have to say twice as many dumb things...

The fact is you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. You can't provide a single shred of evidence that you have put any real science or engineering towards this except your babbling, incoherent regurgitation of stuff you found while browsing the internet. Even better is that although you are the greatest scientific mind in history you can't work a camera to prove you even dropped a 9V battery into a glass of water.

Also, a 100% efficient machine would be perpetual motion. If you always get the same energy out that you put in, and you always put back in what you get out, it will run forever without losing energy...perpetual motion.

Go post your BS on a physics forum and see how bad you get flamed.

 

They were both on strong drugs?

 

im not offended by any of this, you prolly are somehow idk maybe because i know wtf im talking about and well you hate to admit i know more than you about this particular subject.. idk and how do you think its like talking to a 12 year old? your the one coming on this post and arguing with me and ive told you all the facts and you still dont get it, i think your the 12 year old... ignorant and dumb, oh dumb is in my vocabulary for you...



again you must be dumb, how can you say i dont know what im talking about? i know more than you about this subject... and why is it i need evidence now? i said i did it, its not impossible, its been done before.. do you believe whats in a newspaper? there is no evidence for any of whats in there... just facts wrote on paper... would you like me to write it down and send you a letter? thats how stupid you sound to me.. sorry but true
i never said the greatest mind in history.. thats an assumption by you... its good you think that though i guess... and a 9 volt battery does not create enough hydrogen to do anything, but why do i need to prove it to you? i could really care less about you, i know it works, you dont need to know.. im saying that you could make a hydrogen generator and run your car.. i also said instead of paying for a generator i made 1... thats it... its like if i had a problem then i fixed it, you dont need pictures to believe my house was dirty so i cleaned it.. its the same thing.. i have a problem paying for gas so i made a hydrogen generator...


ok dumba$$... now i know your stupid and dont know anything.. do some f'in research before you say anything ok, save your time...


Classification:
It is customary to classify perpetual motion machines as follows:

A perpetual motion machine of the first kind produces strictly MORE ENERGY THAN IT USES!, giving the user unlimited energy. It thus violates the law of conservation of energy. Over-unity devices, that is, devices with a thermodynamic efficiency GREATER than 1.0 (unity, or 100%), are perpetual motion machines of this kind.

a machine that creates equal amount of energy (100%) is a continuous motion machine...







well thats a bad assumption, like you would tell me.. do some research before you come here claiming anything... well and i guess this guys mouth is far up his a$$... even though he did it, and it prolly works well, but he still has 10 hydrogen bombs out in his yard... and its pure hydrogen so that even worse.. idk he has his own thoughts about electricity but to me hes still dumb.. sorry you think otherwise

 

Kodak,

Instead of arguing with everyone, just get this engine thing done and prove them all wrong.

Thanks
Josh

 

im not offended by any of this, you prolly are somehow idk maybe because i know wtf im talking about and well you hate to admit i know more than you about this particular subject.. idk and how do you think its like talking to a 12 year old? your the one coming on this post and arguing with me and ive told you all the facts and you still dont get it, i think your the 12 year old... ignorant and dumb, oh dumb is in my vocabulary for you...


If you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't need to cut and paste that from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion

I can cut and paste from wikipedia too:

Like I said, all you can do is regurgitate information from the internet without understanding it. You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

KoDak, your wasting valuable time posting in this thread. You should be working on your projects.

 

I was giving you the benefit of a doubt. Now I know what you think you can do.

I guess the hydrogen generation is part of the perpetual motion machine because you keep talking about them together. Hypothetically, I am going to go along with your ultimate idea for now, not that I think it is possible.

I do have a couple questions about the hydrogen generation from water. I am sure you know that when you produce hydrogen from water you also produce oxygen. How do you plan to separate the hydrogen and oxygen? Once separated, are you just going to vent the oxygen to the atmosphere? Are you familiar with the problem hydrogen has with embrittling many metals due to the migration of hydrogen into the metal? How have you addressed that problem or do you need to?

 

The multiple quotes. They have both mastered that task.