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#51
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( Cracks nuckles ) Time to get serious...
I have to think back over 20 years here ( Yeah I'm old ) but if memory serves me correctly, theres gasses, solids and liquids as forms of ' matter '. They each have distinguishing properties thus, they are classified in said groups.
So.. you want me to believe theres a difference in one gaseous state to the next?
http://www.propanecarbs.com/
"The average cost of our most popular kits is between $130.00 and $250.00. For exact prices and product availability, please call toll free 1-877-425-8383"
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What risk? You said compressed hydrogen could be SHOT and there would be no worries...
You want to re-state that whole ' you could shoot.. ' thingi again?
A 10lb bottle.
I use Argon with my mig. I have a 10lb bottle for it. A mig is makeing LESS energy then an engine would in order to move a 3000lb vehicle ( goign with a light weight on nsaid behicle ).
Your telling me a 10lb bottle of hydrogen could make a car/truck or 3000lb vehicle go 300 miles?
I'm not calling B.S. , I'm SCREAMING it!
No, you can't. There are already laws that state where you can put ' secondairy fuels ' on a vehicle. I knnow all too well about Nitrous laws for Canada, NNY, PA, And ohio.. I have the receipts from the citations around here somewhere to prove it.
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Heres one word that totally DESTROYS your whole idiotic slogan.. HAZ-MAT. I'm sure you have heard of it.
I'm with that other cat.. You took some time off, but didn't do the work. I'm not even going to try and talk about hydrogen as YOU probably know more then I do. I'll give you that on a wholesale basis. What your failing to understand is theres more to the equasion then you have even touched the surface on.
7-10 grand. GREAT! And just WHICH state do you plan on driving a converted vehicle on their roads?
I was nice, I'm done now.
Originally Posted by KoDaK
your right its very simple to run a car off hydrogen.. and i know they do it with propane and methane but gases even though they are gases they are not the same,
So.. you want me to believe theres a difference in one gaseous state to the next?
you may be able to use a propane conversion kit, but how much are those? not cheap..
"The average cost of our most popular kits is between $130.00 and $250.00. For exact prices and product availability, please call toll free 1-877-425-8383"
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all you need to run on hydrogen is 2 engine controllers... and your set to go... i would just get the controllers instead of risking running hydrogen in place of propane..
you can do it if you want, but im not stupid enough to try..
you can go 300 miles without taking up cargo, the tanks are prolly about the size of a large nos tank
I use Argon with my mig. I have a 10lb bottle for it. A mig is makeing LESS energy then an engine would in order to move a 3000lb vehicle ( goign with a light weight on nsaid behicle ).
Your telling me a 10lb bottle of hydrogen could make a car/truck or 3000lb vehicle go 300 miles?
I'm not calling B.S. , I'm SCREAMING it!
you can mount them anywhere..
if you really wanted to just drop your gas tank and mount the hydrogen tanks in its place... but i know how all you like off roading so i would suggest a skid plate to protect the tanks since they will cost about 1700 bucks, but they really dont take a lot of space, you could mount them in the bed of your truck and still have plenty of room for cargo...
Heres one word that totally DESTROYS your whole idiotic slogan.. HAZ-MAT. I'm sure you have heard of it.
well it doesnt cost 20,000 bucks for solar panels, it will cost about $2,000 for enough solar panels to run the hydrogen generator efficiently...
ok happy now?
ok happy now?
if you went to the site i said to go to it says that a complete hydrogen kit will cost 7-10 grand... thats everything needed to make and run hydrogen in a vehicle
I was nice, I'm done now.
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i haven't read this whole thread cause it's far to long to jump into buuuuut when i saw the title i thought of this video: http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=319986
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Originally Posted by fuze
Like I said, there is nothing to say you can't run an engine on hydrogen, but you have no clue what you are talking about. Sure, any fool can make hydrogen from water, but there is more involved than just releasing hydrogen gas into the intake of your engine.
YOU have seen me around these forums, you might know what I have done and haven't done.. Others can vouch that I might have a clue..
So.. If we just run a line to the intake of one of our engines.. Send hydrogen into it.. That quite ' do-able '. I won't argue that such cannot be done.
We take out the fuel injectors and weld the intake ports for such closed.. all fine and dandy.
We now have spark and hydrogen.
Hydrogen ( from what I remember.. like 20+ years back in time.. ) doesn't really burn. It has a form of fusion. Some of the by-products are Helium, Raw energy and Neutrino ( actually that happens in how a star like our sun burns, were alledgedly doing the same here but on a VERY small scale in comparrison ).
I run a LOT of Nitrous in my mills. My **** is bottle fed like none other on this site. All my vehicles have been. I know what oxidation looks like and its effects. I know a common cylinder wall can only take so much..
My question, knowing the above..
If such a process was to happen with just spark and hydrogen.. it ' wont '. Oxygen and carbons of some form MUST come into the mixture somewhere. That whole theory of just piping hydrogen into some intake manifold is pure rubbish. By removing the timing and measurement of fuel, how would an engine run and stay within means of stability? No way to meter air rate, comsumption.. flow..
I see NO possibilities with what hes offering. I want to say its laughable, but I know it IS possible.
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12-18-2007
Originally Posted by a townn
i haven't read this whole thread cause it's far to long to jump into buuuuut when i saw the title i thought of this video: http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=319986
#57
12-18-2007
Originally Posted by D.
Heres *my* question.
YOU have seen me around these forums, you might know what I have done and haven't done.. Others can vouch that I might have a clue..
So.. If we just run a line to the intake of one of our engines.. Send hydrogen into it.. That quite ' do-able '. I won't argue that such cannot be done.
We take out the fuel injectors and weld the intake ports for such closed.. all fine and dandy.
We now have spark and hydrogen.
Hydrogen ( from what I remember.. like 20+ years back in time.. ) doesn't really burn. It has a form of fusion. Some of the by-products are Helium, Raw energy and Neutrino ( actually that happens in how a star like our sun burns, were alledgedly doing the same here but on a VERY small scale in comparrison ).
I run a LOT of Nitrous in my mills. My **** is bottle fed like none other on this site. All my vehicles have been. I know what oxidation looks like and its effects. I know a common cylinder wall can only take so much..
My question, knowing the above..
If such a process was to happen with just spark and hydrogen.. it ' wont '. Oxygen and carbons of some form MUST come into the mixture somewhere. That whole theory of just piping hydrogen into some intake manifold is pure rubbish. By removing the timing and measurement of fuel, how would an engine run and stay within means of stability? No way to meter air rate, comsumption.. flow..
I see NO possibilities with what hes offering. I want to say its laughable, but I know it IS possible.
YOU have seen me around these forums, you might know what I have done and haven't done.. Others can vouch that I might have a clue..
So.. If we just run a line to the intake of one of our engines.. Send hydrogen into it.. That quite ' do-able '. I won't argue that such cannot be done.
We take out the fuel injectors and weld the intake ports for such closed.. all fine and dandy.
We now have spark and hydrogen.
Hydrogen ( from what I remember.. like 20+ years back in time.. ) doesn't really burn. It has a form of fusion. Some of the by-products are Helium, Raw energy and Neutrino ( actually that happens in how a star like our sun burns, were alledgedly doing the same here but on a VERY small scale in comparrison ).
I run a LOT of Nitrous in my mills. My **** is bottle fed like none other on this site. All my vehicles have been. I know what oxidation looks like and its effects. I know a common cylinder wall can only take so much..
My question, knowing the above..
If such a process was to happen with just spark and hydrogen.. it ' wont '. Oxygen and carbons of some form MUST come into the mixture somewhere. That whole theory of just piping hydrogen into some intake manifold is pure rubbish. By removing the timing and measurement of fuel, how would an engine run and stay within means of stability? No way to meter air rate, comsumption.. flow..
I see NO possibilities with what hes offering. I want to say its laughable, but I know it IS possible.
Hydrogen does burn...its a fuel like any other...all you need is an ignition source and oxygen. The problem is that just as with any other fuel you can't just randomly start feeding gases to the engine and expect it to work well. How much hydrogen should be flowing into the intake? How will you compensate for the demands at different engine speeds and loads? Will air or pure oxygen be used for the oxidizer? If pure oxygen, where will the oxygen compatible components be coming from? (Try pressurizing components meant for nitrous with pure oxygen...you won't even hear the boom that kills you) How will you control ignition timing? How will you be metering these gas flows? How will you compensate for intake temperature? With such low ignition energy required, how will you prevent premature ignition and flashback from hot spots in the cylinders? Have you considered the fact that a wasted spark ignition system will cause premature ignition? How cold will the plugs be that you are using? How will you ensure proper ventilation of the crankcase considering the lower ignition energy of hydrogen and the possibility of ignition within the crankcase? Have you removed the catalytic converter or considered the additional NOx emissions from combustion of a hydrogen-air combination and their effect on a catalytic converter? How do you plan to drive this in a state like CA with strict emissions standards?
Make hydrogen gas from water? Sure! Run an engine on hydrogen and air? Sure! Run an engine on hydrogen efficiently, reliably, and safely? Get an education.
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Originally Posted by fuze
Hydrogen does burn...its a fuel like any other...all you need is an ignition source and oxygen.
Theres more to it then just ' running a line '..
The problem is that just as with any other fuel you can't just randomly start feeding gases to the engine and expect it to work well. How much hydrogen should be flowing into the intake?
How will you compensate for the demands at different engine speeds and loads? Will air or pure oxygen be used for the oxidizer? If pure oxygen, where will the oxygen compatible components be coming from? (Try pressurizing components meant for nitrous with pure oxygen...you won't even hear the boom that kills you) How will you control ignition timing? How will you be metering these gas flows? How will you compensate for intake temperature?
.. With such low ignition energy required, how will you prevent premature ignition and flashback from hot spots in the cylinders? Have you considered the fact that a wasted spark ignition system will cause premature ignition? How cold will the plugs be that you are using? How will you ensure proper ventilation of the crankcase considering the lower ignition energy of hydrogen and the possibility of ignition within the crankcase? Have you removed the catalytic converter or considered the additional NOx emissions from combustion of a hydrogen-air combination and their effect on a catalytic converter? How do you plan to drive this in a state like CA with strict emissions standards?
Make hydrogen gas from water? Sure! Run an engine on hydrogen and air? Sure! Run an engine on hydrogen efficiently, reliably, and safely? Get an education.
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Originally Posted by fuze
If you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't need to cut and paste that from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
Like I said, all you can do is regurgitate information from the internet without understanding it. You have no idea what you are talking about.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
Like I said, all you can do is regurgitate information from the internet without understanding it. You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Originally Posted by fuze
Quote:I can cut and paste from wikipedia too:
Originally Posted by KoDaK's Physics book (wikipedia)
The term perpetual motion, taken literally, refers to movement that goes on forever..
Originally Posted by KoDaK's Physics book (wikipedia)
The term perpetual motion, taken literally, refers to movement that goes on forever..
The term perpetual motion, taken literally, refers to movement that goes on forever. This is possible in the current theoretical understanding of physics as in Newton's First Law of Motion. HOWEVER, perpetual motion refers to a device or system that delivers MORE energy than is put into it.
now why dont you stop talking nonsense and go bother someone who actually doesnt know what they are talking about..
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Originally Posted by D.
He mentioned nothing of having a way to read A/F ratios or anything. Just a ' run a line to the intake ' and used Nitrous as an example or mentioning.
Theres more to it then just ' running a line '..
Theres more to it then just ' running a line '..
Originally Posted by D.
No clue. The question I would ask is ' how to meter it ' or hold a constant ratio for consumption.. how many parts hydrogen, how many air.. how much spark, how much timing.. Nothing was mentioned.. just running a line.. Didn't make any sense to me at all.
Originally Posted by D.
I know hydrogen DOES have some explosive properties and shooting a compressed canister of it will cause detonation. Thats all I do know in these regards. :)
There are materials call Hydrides that absorb Hydrogen like a sponge absorbs water. Typically, the tanks are filled with granulated Hydrides, and Hydrogen is pressurized into the material. Hydrides have many advantages over liquid & gas. One is that the density of the Hydrogen stored in the Hydride can be GREATER than that of liquid Hydrogen. This translates directly into smaller and fewer storage tanks.
Once the Hydride is "charged" with Hydrogen, the Hydrogen becomes chemically bonded to the chemical. Even opening the tank, or cutting it in half will not release the Hydrogen gas. In addition, you could even fire incendiary bullets through the tank and the Hydride would only smolder like a cigarette. It is in fact, a safer storage system than your Gasoline tank is.
Then how do you get the Hydrogen back out? To release the Hydrogen gas from the Hydride, it simply needs to be heated. This is either done electrically, using the waste exhaust heat, or using the waste radiator coolant heat.
Originally Posted by fuze
Hydrogen does burn...its a fuel like any other...all you need is an ignition source and oxygen. The problem is that just as with any other fuel you can't just randomly start feeding gases to the engine and expect it to work well. How much hydrogen should be flowing into the intake? How will you compensate for the demands at different engine speeds and loads? Will air or pure oxygen be used for the oxidizer? If pure oxygen, where will the oxygen compatible components be coming from? (Try pressurizing components meant for nitrous with pure oxygen...you won't even hear the boom that kills you) How will you control ignition timing? How will you be metering these gas flows? How will you compensate for intake temperature? With such low ignition energy required, how will you prevent premature ignition and flashback from hot spots in the cylinders? Have you considered the fact that a wasted spark ignition system will cause premature ignition? How cold will the plugs be that you are using? How will you ensure proper ventilation of the crankcase considering the lower ignition energy of hydrogen and the possibility of ignition within the crankcase? Have you removed the catalytic converter or considered the additional NOx emissions from combustion of a hydrogen-air combination and their effect on a catalytic converter? How do you plan to drive this in a state like CA with strict emissions standards?
Make hydrogen gas from water? Sure! Run an engine on hydrogen and air? Sure! Run an engine on hydrogen efficiently, reliably, and safely? Get an education.
Make hydrogen gas from water? Sure! Run an engine on hydrogen and air? Sure! Run an engine on hydrogen efficiently, reliably, and safely? Get an education.
Originally Posted by graniteguy
My forklift runs on propane. Does it go in as air or a liquid?
Originally Posted by graniteguy
......someone beat KoDaK to the patent office.
Originally Posted by D.
Heres *my* question.
YOU have seen me around these forums, you might know what I have done and haven't done.. Others can vouch that I might have a clue..
So.. If we just run a line to the intake of one of our engines.. Send hydrogen into it.. That quite ' do-able '. I won't argue that such cannot be done.
We take out the fuel injectors and weld the intake ports for such closed.. all fine and dandy.
We now have spark and hydrogen.
Hydrogen ( from what I remember.. like 20+ years back in time.. ) doesn't really burn. It has a form of fusion. Some of the by-products are Helium, Raw energy and Neutrino ( actually that happens in how a star like our sun burns, were alledgedly doing the same here but on a VERY small scale in comparrison ).
I run a LOT of Nitrous in my mills. My **** is bottle fed like none other on this site. All my vehicles have been. I know what oxidation looks like and its effects. I know a common cylinder wall can only take so much..
My question, knowing the above..
If such a process was to happen with just spark and hydrogen.. it ' wont '. Oxygen and carbons of some form MUST come into the mixture somewhere. That whole theory of just piping hydrogen into some intake manifold is pure rubbish. By removing the timing and measurement of fuel, how would an engine run and stay within means of stability? No way to meter air rate, comsumption.. flow..
I see NO possibilities with what hes offering. I want to say its laughable, but I know it IS possible.
YOU have seen me around these forums, you might know what I have done and haven't done.. Others can vouch that I might have a clue..
So.. If we just run a line to the intake of one of our engines.. Send hydrogen into it.. That quite ' do-able '. I won't argue that such cannot be done.
We take out the fuel injectors and weld the intake ports for such closed.. all fine and dandy.
We now have spark and hydrogen.
Hydrogen ( from what I remember.. like 20+ years back in time.. ) doesn't really burn. It has a form of fusion. Some of the by-products are Helium, Raw energy and Neutrino ( actually that happens in how a star like our sun burns, were alledgedly doing the same here but on a VERY small scale in comparrison ).
I run a LOT of Nitrous in my mills. My **** is bottle fed like none other on this site. All my vehicles have been. I know what oxidation looks like and its effects. I know a common cylinder wall can only take so much..
My question, knowing the above..
If such a process was to happen with just spark and hydrogen.. it ' wont '. Oxygen and carbons of some form MUST come into the mixture somewhere. That whole theory of just piping hydrogen into some intake manifold is pure rubbish. By removing the timing and measurement of fuel, how would an engine run and stay within means of stability? No way to meter air rate, comsumption.. flow..
I see NO possibilities with what hes offering. I want to say its laughable, but I know it IS possible.
Originally Posted by D.
( Cracks nuckles ) Time to get serious...
I have to think back over 20 years here ( Yeah I'm old ) but if memory serves me correctly, theres gasses, solids and liquids as forms of ' matter '. They each have distinguishing properties thus, they are classified in said groups.
So.. you want me to believe theres a difference in one gaseous state to the next?
I have to think back over 20 years here ( Yeah I'm old ) but if memory serves me correctly, theres gasses, solids and liquids as forms of ' matter '. They each have distinguishing properties thus, they are classified in said groups.
So.. you want me to believe theres a difference in one gaseous state to the next?
Originally Posted by D.
http://www.propanecarbs.com/
"The average cost of our most popular kits is between $130.00 and $250.00. For exact prices and product availability, please call toll free 1-877-425-8383"
I'm getting better then the yellow pages
"The average cost of our most popular kits is between $130.00 and $250.00. For exact prices and product availability, please call toll free 1-877-425-8383"
I'm getting better then the yellow pages
Originally Posted by D.
What risk? You said compressed hydrogen could be SHOT and there would be no worries...
Originally Posted by D.
You want to re-state that whole ' you could shoot.. ' thingi again?
Originally Posted by D.
A 10lb bottle.
I use Argon with my mig. I have a 10lb bottle for it. A mig is makeing LESS energy then an engine would in order to move a 3000lb vehicle ( goign with a light weight on nsaid behicle ).
Your telling me a 10lb bottle of hydrogen could make a car/truck or 3000lb vehicle go 300 miles?
I'm not calling B.S. , I'm SCREAMING it!
I use Argon with my mig. I have a 10lb bottle for it. A mig is makeing LESS energy then an engine would in order to move a 3000lb vehicle ( goign with a light weight on nsaid behicle ).
Your telling me a 10lb bottle of hydrogen could make a car/truck or 3000lb vehicle go 300 miles?
I'm not calling B.S. , I'm SCREAMING it!
Originally Posted by D.
No, you can't. There are already laws that state where you can put ' secondairy fuels ' on a vehicle. I knnow all too well about Nitrous laws for Canada, NNY, PA, And ohio.. I have the receipts from the citations around here somewhere to prove it.
Originally Posted by D.
I'm with that other cat.. You took some time off, but didn't do the work. I'm not even going to try and talk about hydrogen as YOU probably know more then I do. I'll give you that on a wholesale basis. What your failing to understand is theres more to the equasion then you have even touched the surface on.
Originally Posted by D.
7-10 grand. GREAT! And just WHICH state do you plan on driving a converted vehicle on their roads?
Originally Posted by D.
Umm... WRONG!
Compressed hydrogen meeting an API round.. it WON'T go ' boom '?
I would STRONGLY beg to differ.
Compressed hydrogen meeting an API round.. it WON'T go ' boom '?
I would STRONGLY beg to differ.
"There are materials call Hydrides that absorb Hydrogen like a sponge absorbs water. Typically, the tanks are filled with granulated Hydrides, and Hydrogen is pressurized into the material. Hydrides have many advantages over liquid & gas. One is that the density of the Hydrogen stored in the Hydride can be GREATER than that of liquid Hydrogen. This translates directly into smaller and fewer storage tanks.
Once the Hydride is "charged" with Hydrogen, the Hydrogen becomes chemically bonded to the chemical. Even opening the tank, or cutting it in half will not release the Hydrogen gas. In addition, you could even fire incendiary bullets through the tank and the Hydride would only smolder like a cigarette. It is in fact, a safer storage system than your Gasoline tank is.
Then how do you get the Hydrogen back out? To release the Hydrogen gas from the Hydride, it simply needs to be heated. This is either done electrically, using the waste exhaust heat, or using the waste radiator coolant heat.
Originally Posted by IN2 FX4
I was giving you the benefit of a doubt. Now I know what you think you can do.
I guess the hydrogen generation is part of the perpetual motion machine because you keep talking about them together. Hypothetically, I am going to go along with your ultimate idea for now, not that I think it is possible.
I do have a couple questions about the hydrogen generation from water. I am sure you know that when you produce hydrogen from water you also produce oxygen. How do you plan to separate the hydrogen and oxygen? Once separated, are you just going to vent the oxygen to the atmosphere? Are you familiar with the problem hydrogen has with embrittling many metals due to the migration of hydrogen into the metal? How have you addressed that problem or do you need to?
I guess the hydrogen generation is part of the perpetual motion machine because you keep talking about them together. Hypothetically, I am going to go along with your ultimate idea for now, not that I think it is possible.
I do have a couple questions about the hydrogen generation from water. I am sure you know that when you produce hydrogen from water you also produce oxygen. How do you plan to separate the hydrogen and oxygen? Once separated, are you just going to vent the oxygen to the atmosphere? Are you familiar with the problem hydrogen has with embrittling many metals due to the migration of hydrogen into the metal? How have you addressed that problem or do you need to?
#62
12-19-2007
Originally Posted by KoDaK
after making the hydrogen and oxygen you do not separate them, there is no need to do so to run it in a vehicle, as far as i know and by the testing done by nuclear united there isnt any embrittling to the metal in the engine or tanks or any metal period by running it in a vehicle.
Don't tell me you think you can shoot a tank filled with that mixture without an explosion. That is the perfect ratio of fuel and oxygen to light off. I don't know if you are aware but hydrogen will burn or explode at a wider ratio of fuel/oxidizer than any other gas.
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Originally Posted by KoDaK
thats all you have to say... quess that means you still dont understand but you know your wrong...
Tell ya what, here's a problem for you...a simplified example of the type of work required for something like this. I don't expect you to be able to solve it, I'm just letting you prove you have no clue because you will avoid answering it like everything else...
Let's assume that you have a 3.0L 6 cylinder engine that has a volumetric efficiency of 90%. Lets say that you are going to run it on hydrogen gas and air that is 20% oxygen and 80% nitrogen by volume and the atmosphere is at standard temperature and pressure. Let's say that your engine will run at an air to fuel ratio of 70:1 by mass. Neglecting all other factors, how much hydrogen gas, in kilograms and liters per minute, will be required to maintain the given air-to fuel ratio at 2750 rpm? How much air, in kilograms and liters per minute? Assuming no reaction with the nitrogen in the air takes place during combustion, how much water will be produced by the engine, in kilograms per minute?
A very simple question...and I think everybody on here could agree that is a question you should be able to solve. So, if you actually understand what you claim to...here's a chance to help prove it.
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there is a guy on fordtruckenthusiasts who claims he gain 5 mpg on the 4 lane with a hydrogen system on his power stroke. is injects hydrogen like a propane system untl he wants more then it gives him more.
a few guys on there were gunna build thier own kit and said the parts were like $100 at the local mcparts stores.
a few guys on there were gunna build thier own kit and said the parts were like $100 at the local mcparts stores.
#68
12-20-2007
Originally Posted by KoDaK
and he seriously has a 10,000 gallon tank? lol i wouldnt want to live within 100 miles off that guy, thats just a huge bomd waiting to blow...the military made or still makes hydrogen bombs... and thats all he made.. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teller%E2%80%93Ulam_design
#69
12-20-2007
Originally Posted by KoDaK
it is a proven fact that it will NOT blown up when shot/cut/drop/ect... i dont get why you cant understand that... i dont care what you think, it wont blow..
I challenge you to reference anything that considers a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen a safe combination for storage in a tank.
I also challenge you to take a serious look at hydrogen embrittlement of certain metals. This is something that is a problem any engineer must overcome when dealing with hydrogen. The reason you have not seen any problems with hydrogen embrittlement in the nuclear united tests is because they addressed the issue and selected the proper materials.
These challenges have nothing to do with me wanting to show you are wrong, they are to make you aware of some things that you seem to be overlooking.
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im not trying to do most of what you say.. i made a hydrogen generator... thats it, i would buy everything else from united nuclear, they figure everything out for your vehicle, them or the mechanic you have install the kit.. all im doing is making hydrogen, the rest isnt my problem, im telling you this is what is and this is how it is, not saying that im going to do or make anything else..
Tell ya what, here's a problem for you...a simplified example of the type of work required for something like this. I don't expect you to be able to solve it, I'm just letting you prove you have no clue because you will avoid answering it like everything else...
i dont see how i avoided answering anything, but im not solving anything, i made a hydrogen generator, it may be better than current generators, that i dont know yet, really i have no clue about most of the kit, but i know what everything is and what it does, im not doing any of the figuring for anything except for my hydrogen generator.. i really could care less about the figures on anything else, thats for someone else to figure out and for the engine controllers to process...i simply told you what is, if you dont like it, go pay for your gas..
Let's assume that you have a 3.0L 6 cylinder engine that has a volumetric efficiency of 90%. Lets say that you are going to run it on hydrogen gas and air that is 20% oxygen and 80% nitrogen by volume and the atmosphere is at standard temperature and pressure. Let's say that your engine will run at an air to fuel ratio of 70:1 by mass. Neglecting all other factors, how much hydrogen gas, in kilograms and liters per minute, will be required to maintain the given air-to fuel ratio at 2750 rpm? How much air, in kilograms and liters per minute? Assuming no reaction with the nitrogen in the air takes place during combustion, how much water will be produced by the engine, in kilograms per minute?
f if i know, like i said i dont care, united nuclear already figured that out, thats how they came up with you can get 350 miles per fill.. i dont know and i dont care what the figures are, i do know its way cheaper than gas.. i dont care what goes on with my engine, as long as it works and gets me the 350 miles with no problems...
A very simple question...and I think everybody on here could agree that is a question you should be able to solve. So, if you actually understand what you claim to...here's a chance to help prove it.
ok... again, im not solving anything but what my generator can do.. (which i havnt done yet) i understant whats all involved and how things work but im not gunna figure anything else out because i dont need to.. its already figured, you just gotta buy it when its available, im just not gunna buy the generator because in already have one.. im not saying im making any of that other crap, ive simply made a hydrogen generator, if its better than the generators available now, then thats great for me but if not its not then i guess i can buy the current generator.. let me say it one more time, im just telling you what you can do, thats it.. i also just threw in i may have made a more efficient way to make hydrogen but im not sure yet... i dont see why you argue about everything since its already been done and proven..
Tell ya what, here's a problem for you...a simplified example of the type of work required for something like this. I don't expect you to be able to solve it, I'm just letting you prove you have no clue because you will avoid answering it like everything else...
i dont see how i avoided answering anything, but im not solving anything, i made a hydrogen generator, it may be better than current generators, that i dont know yet, really i have no clue about most of the kit, but i know what everything is and what it does, im not doing any of the figuring for anything except for my hydrogen generator.. i really could care less about the figures on anything else, thats for someone else to figure out and for the engine controllers to process...i simply told you what is, if you dont like it, go pay for your gas..
Let's assume that you have a 3.0L 6 cylinder engine that has a volumetric efficiency of 90%. Lets say that you are going to run it on hydrogen gas and air that is 20% oxygen and 80% nitrogen by volume and the atmosphere is at standard temperature and pressure. Let's say that your engine will run at an air to fuel ratio of 70:1 by mass. Neglecting all other factors, how much hydrogen gas, in kilograms and liters per minute, will be required to maintain the given air-to fuel ratio at 2750 rpm? How much air, in kilograms and liters per minute? Assuming no reaction with the nitrogen in the air takes place during combustion, how much water will be produced by the engine, in kilograms per minute?
f if i know, like i said i dont care, united nuclear already figured that out, thats how they came up with you can get 350 miles per fill.. i dont know and i dont care what the figures are, i do know its way cheaper than gas.. i dont care what goes on with my engine, as long as it works and gets me the 350 miles with no problems...
A very simple question...and I think everybody on here could agree that is a question you should be able to solve. So, if you actually understand what you claim to...here's a chance to help prove it.
ok... again, im not solving anything but what my generator can do.. (which i havnt done yet) i understant whats all involved and how things work but im not gunna figure anything else out because i dont need to.. its already figured, you just gotta buy it when its available, im just not gunna buy the generator because in already have one.. im not saying im making any of that other crap, ive simply made a hydrogen generator, if its better than the generators available now, then thats great for me but if not its not then i guess i can buy the current generator.. let me say it one more time, im just telling you what you can do, thats it.. i also just threw in i may have made a more efficient way to make hydrogen but im not sure yet... i dont see why you argue about everything since its already been done and proven..
#74
12-20-2007
Originally Posted by KoDaK
im not trying to do most of what you say.. i made a hydrogen generator... thats it, i would buy everything else from united nuclear, they figure everything out for your vehicle, them or the mechanic you have install the kit.. all im doing is making hydrogen, the rest isnt my problem, im telling you this is what is and this is how it is, not saying that im going to do or make anything else..
Tell ya what, here's a problem for you...a simplified example of the type of work required for something like this. I don't expect you to be able to solve it, I'm just letting you prove you have no clue because you will avoid answering it like everything else...
i dont see how i avoided answering anything, but im not solving anything, i made a hydrogen generator, it may be better than current generators, that i dont know yet, really i have no clue about most of the kit, but i know what everything is and what it does, im not doing any of the figuring for anything except for my hydrogen generator.. i really could care less about the figures on anything else, thats for someone else to figure out and for the engine controllers to process...i simply told you what is, if you dont like it, go pay for your gas..
Let's assume that you have a 3.0L 6 cylinder engine that has a volumetric efficiency of 90%. Lets say that you are going to run it on hydrogen gas and air that is 20% oxygen and 80% nitrogen by volume and the atmosphere is at standard temperature and pressure. Let's say that your engine will run at an air to fuel ratio of 70:1 by mass. Neglecting all other factors, how much hydrogen gas, in kilograms and liters per minute, will be required to maintain the given air-to fuel ratio at 2750 rpm? How much air, in kilograms and liters per minute? Assuming no reaction with the nitrogen in the air takes place during combustion, how much water will be produced by the engine, in kilograms per minute?
f if i know, like i said i dont care, united nuclear already figured that out, thats how they came up with you can get 350 miles per fill.. i dont know and i dont care what the figures are, i do know its way cheaper than gas.. i dont care what goes on with my engine, as long as it works and gets me the 350 miles with no problems...
A very simple question...and I think everybody on here could agree that is a question you should be able to solve. So, if you actually understand what you claim to...here's a chance to help prove it.
ok... again, im not solving anything but what my generator can do.. (which i havnt done yet) i understant whats all involved and how things work but im not gunna figure anything else out because i dont need to.. its already figured, you just gotta buy it when its available, im just not gunna buy the generator because in already have one.. im not saying im making any of that other crap, ive simply made a hydrogen generator, if its better than the generators available now, then thats great for me but if not its not then i guess i can buy the current generator.. let me say it one more time, im just telling you what you can do, thats it.. i also just threw in i may have made a more efficient way to make hydrogen but im not sure yet... i dont see why you argue about everything since its already been done and proven..
Tell ya what, here's a problem for you...a simplified example of the type of work required for something like this. I don't expect you to be able to solve it, I'm just letting you prove you have no clue because you will avoid answering it like everything else...
i dont see how i avoided answering anything, but im not solving anything, i made a hydrogen generator, it may be better than current generators, that i dont know yet, really i have no clue about most of the kit, but i know what everything is and what it does, im not doing any of the figuring for anything except for my hydrogen generator.. i really could care less about the figures on anything else, thats for someone else to figure out and for the engine controllers to process...i simply told you what is, if you dont like it, go pay for your gas..
Let's assume that you have a 3.0L 6 cylinder engine that has a volumetric efficiency of 90%. Lets say that you are going to run it on hydrogen gas and air that is 20% oxygen and 80% nitrogen by volume and the atmosphere is at standard temperature and pressure. Let's say that your engine will run at an air to fuel ratio of 70:1 by mass. Neglecting all other factors, how much hydrogen gas, in kilograms and liters per minute, will be required to maintain the given air-to fuel ratio at 2750 rpm? How much air, in kilograms and liters per minute? Assuming no reaction with the nitrogen in the air takes place during combustion, how much water will be produced by the engine, in kilograms per minute?
f if i know, like i said i dont care, united nuclear already figured that out, thats how they came up with you can get 350 miles per fill.. i dont know and i dont care what the figures are, i do know its way cheaper than gas.. i dont care what goes on with my engine, as long as it works and gets me the 350 miles with no problems...
A very simple question...and I think everybody on here could agree that is a question you should be able to solve. So, if you actually understand what you claim to...here's a chance to help prove it.
ok... again, im not solving anything but what my generator can do.. (which i havnt done yet) i understant whats all involved and how things work but im not gunna figure anything else out because i dont need to.. its already figured, you just gotta buy it when its available, im just not gunna buy the generator because in already have one.. im not saying im making any of that other crap, ive simply made a hydrogen generator, if its better than the generators available now, then thats great for me but if not its not then i guess i can buy the current generator.. let me say it one more time, im just telling you what you can do, thats it.. i also just threw in i may have made a more efficient way to make hydrogen but im not sure yet... i dont see why you argue about everything since its already been done and proven..
#75
12-21-2007
