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sorry, my internet has been down for awhile.. the router took a s*** on me.. anyways my brother got more stuff from work so maybe tomorrow night we will start on the prototype and also do more testing with the perpetual machine.. hopefully we can get the hydrogen generator up and running by sunday night/monday morning
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I swear if you do somehow make this im gonna be amazed, but right now im just gonna say your full of ****.
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lol think what you want but plan on being amazed... theres really no way it wont work..
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If you make a real working Hydrogen generator by Sunday, and I can drive to your house to verify, I swear to all that is Holy in this Universe that I will give you ONE US Dollar... This thread made me feel like I was back in PreSchool, when my friends and I would would find a REALLY big cardboard box and say we had invented a spaceship. I have a mental image of you sitting in your Garage with a tinker set, building a "Hydrogen Generator" "NO YOU GUYS, IT IS A REAL WORKING HYDROGEN GENERATOR, I'M SUPER, DUPER CEREAL!!!"

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Ok, maybe I was a little harsh. Now can you please CLEARLY explain exactly what you are doing here? I don't really think you have to worry about anyone stealing your ideas. You have never really stated how you are going to accomplish this...
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..i thought i was pretty clear.. a case that holds water + metal inside that case + electricity = hydrogen... im not inventing anything.. im making a generator that has already been made.. just putting the metal electrolysis plates a different way to create more hydrogen... thats it.. i was simply stating the facts when i started this thread. with the exception of me putting a twist on an existent invention... its just no1 has used hydrogen to power a electricity generator or for heating that i know of yet.. it would make the cost of living a little easier...
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oh yea, ill want my dollar in cash... lmao
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Ok, I see, but, how are planning on capturing and storing the Hydrogen to then use it to power a Generator? And where is the electricity coming from the create the Hydrogen? Because, I fairly sure that you are paying for that electricity, sooo how is this more cost efficient than me going and buying a gallon of gasoline to power said generator? Well unless your using solar of wind power, but solar panels and windmills aren't cheap...
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oh yea, ill want my dollar in cash... lmao
I'm dead serious, I will give you a dollar....
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you dont really get it do you... im not bragging or anything, i just want to live cheaper, and i believe hydrogen will accomplish this.. if you dont think that, thats fine.. go follow your heard.. i think different than you, and so does my brother.. were not stupid and we decided to do something to save a little bit of our money.. its like if you had the choice of paying for propane at say $1.00 per gallon or oil at $5.00 per gallon.. (as for heating) which would you choose? thats how we believe hydrogen will be for us.. after we make it and im saving all my money then im gunna come back here and brag.. until then i think i deserve a little respect for trying something new and not following the same heard as you... im not scared of something new, and if it requires a little money to save a lot then so be it.. ill be happy. idc about you, sorry..
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ok, let me think of this, it may take me awhile to type it out so you can understand
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k.. first you take a cylinder tube k. mount the electrolysis plates inside the tube. usually a group/brick of plates that are fairly close but not to close as they will arc.. then you seal the top and bottom of the tube... add electricity to the plates and it will start creating hydrogen.. as you are doing this the hydrogen will start creating pressure because it is a sealed system and you are making something expand... but you put a valve and pipe out the top of the cylinder tube which will go to a storage tank.. as it builds pressure the storage tank will become full of hydrogen, this stored hydrogen is then ran through a propane generator (propane because it already runs off a gas instead of a liquid and lubricating is easier) the generator will create electricity, but since hydrogen is a combustible gas you can get more out of it than you can using electricity.. so after both generators are running they will power themselves, but since the propane generator is creating more than the hydrogen generator
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than the hydrogen generator consumes you create excess electricity which can be used to run your home or at least help.. or it can run another hydrogen generator which can make hydrogen for your fuel for vehicles and/or gas for heaters... it may sound expensive but its actually not too bad.. the only cost for it to run would be water.. but after hydrogen and oxygen burn they create... water! so it would require less water if you ran the exhaust of the generators back into a water storage tank... so you would further save money.. but like i said before, if you had a well water would be free...
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than the hydrogen generator consumes you create excess electricity which can be used to run your home or at least help.. or it can run another hydrogen generator which can make hydrogen for your fuel for vehicles and/or gas for heaters... it may sound expensive but its actually not too bad.. the only cost for it to run would be water.. but after hydrogen and oxygen burn they create... water! so it would require less water if you ran the exhaust of the generators back into a water storage tank... so you would further save money.. but like i said before, if you had a well water would be free...
wow all that sounds very interesting, be cool if it worked, but i like paying 2.65$ for a gallon of gas makes me feel like im giving back to the community in some way haha

on other note if you creat this contraption im gonna come steal it from you haha
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Kodak, the reason it hasnt been done already is because it isnt effective. It take more energy to split the water particles into hydrogen then the enthalpy of the hydrogen itself. The electricity you'll use to split the particles will far exceed whatever output you'll get from the hydrogen itself. So pretty much, you're going to have a small engine that is powering an hydrogen generator and then your car engine will burn that hydrogen to get going. Just kill the middle man and put the fuel directly in your car engine. After all the heat loss and energy loss, its jsut not worth it. You'll be putting in 4 liters of fuel to get the enthalpy of 2.

I mean common, what is going to run your hydrogen generator, fairy dust?
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im not inventing anything.. im making a generator that has already been made.. just putting the metal electrolysis plates a different way to create more hydrogen... thats it..
Create more hydrogen? I think not. Your not creating hydrogen, you're simply seperating the mollecule of water and harvesting what's already there.

Listen, i'm not trying to be a ***** or saying that you're ideas are wrong, but I'm currently studying in Engineering with emphasis on Energy Management & Photonics. We ALWAYS have discussions about the rising issues on use of hydrogen and the ways to collect it, and I can tell you that it's more expensive to use hydrogen then fossil fuels. Only advantage is that hydrogen isn't a pollutant. Fossil fuels engines by far exceed the potential of hydrogen systems, so if you're trying to save money, you won't.

Don't want to be bashing, just want everyone to get the facts straight.

It's a great idea in theory, but it doesn't work.
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MTLaccord, don't think too much about it.

Otherwsie you might realize your a college student arguing with a stoned kid.
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I always loved Calvin and Hobbes. "The Surest sign that were not alone in the universe, is that nobody has tried to contact us."
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Yah Calvin and Hobbes is awesome.

Calvin: "Dad, are you vicariously living through me in the hope that my accomplishments will validate your mediocre life and in some way compensate for all of the opportunities you botched?"

Calvin's father: "If I were, you can bet I'd be re-evaluating my strategy."

Calvin (later, to his mother): "Mom, Dad keeps insulting me."
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we will see, if it doesnt work ill come back here and give thanx to everyone who opposed me for how their knowledge far exeeds mine.. if it does then pop shove it up yours.. lol and im not creating hydrogen, im harvesting it by separating it out of the water.. but if you get one thing and make it another isnt that creating something? not creating from nothing but altering one thing to get another.. (Create: to cause to happen; bring about; arrange)
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If it doesnt' work we get to stone you.
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so if it does do i get to run you over with my hydrogen powered ranger?!
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hey Kodak, if this works, can I have a hydrogen powered ranger? seriously? I mean if all goes as planned and you sell this invention, you'll be a frickin millionare, share the love
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lol trigger, if all goes well and it does what we need me and my brother will most likely try and sell a hydrogen fuel kit, including everything needed to convert a vehicle to hydrogen.. heck we have been talking about opening a conversion shop.. but as for a update for all of you: we didnt have enough time this weekend to make the whole thing so i guess i dont get my dollar in cash but we spent quite a few hours today preparing the plates, we thought of an even more effective way of creating hydrogen.. so after a few hours of doing the new idea to the plates we almost have all of them ready to go in the housing cylinder.. we have to spend about one or two more days before it is completely ready to go in its housing. most of that time is for drying a few products.. we did a little experiment last night with a 12v 1amp 19w ac adapter with dc output, we created enough hydrogen to make a small explosion but we did a little research and found one guy who made a hydrogen generator using 20 amps 12v and was cre
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