water as fuel
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creating 1 liter per minute.. thats 20 amps.. now if you upgrated your alternator to a 200-300 amp alternator then say using 100 amps to run the generator you will make 5 liters per minute.. which is more than enough to run a vehicle.. we plan to make more hydrogen with less power than the 1l per minute generator.. now your car would run itself.. you just add water sometimes.. to start the engine you would start making hydrogen b4 you start the car, maybe a few seconds using the car battery, then just start and go.. once we get our generator up and running we are going to use a 3.5hp briggs and stratton to start with then use a 2.5l 4cyl, if all works well we are going to put it in a 5.4l v8 and huve fun with it.. so far for our prototype we have spent a grand total of $15 us dollars... thats it 15 bucks, but we have got all the expensive stuff for free so far. so it would have cost a lot more.. we did figuring tonight and figured out all our dimensions to make everything work with each other.. we are using a
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we are using a 4" plastic pipe as our housing and a 1/2" pvc as our center support, a total of 16 feet of stainless steel, we are using fiberglass resin and cloth in our supports and for added strength in various areas, we dont have our lid caps yet but will by next weekend.. they will prolly be 1" plastic plates (cylinder or square, not sure yet) then we will hook it up to electricity, add a flow and pressure meter, a volt meter, amp meter, and a watt meter, just to figure everything out properly.. we figure that 12v 100 amps from a car alternator will make a s*** load of hydrogen, more than enough.. and since your vehicle runs the hydrogen generator there is no charging while not in use, no fuel ever again, and run your car off water..
Ohhhh you are about to be wrooooong!
In high school we did experiment on electrolysis *using electrical outlet power*. We were using a good amount of power to see how much we could force out. It's a slow experience. Not like the water magically breaks in half in a second.
By the way, your idea of making 5 liters per minute of hydrogen is insane. You're basically saying you are somehow going to take about 2 gallons of water and first split it into gasses and then seperate them and put the hydrogen into high pressure tanks.
How were you exactly planning on storing the hydrogen in gallons form? Balloons? You'd need scuba tanks and a huge compressor to fill that scuba tank.
In high school we did experiment on electrolysis *using electrical outlet power*. We were using a good amount of power to see how much we could force out. It's a slow experience. Not like the water magically breaks in half in a second.
By the way, your idea of making 5 liters per minute of hydrogen is insane. You're basically saying you are somehow going to take about 2 gallons of water and first split it into gasses and then seperate them and put the hydrogen into high pressure tanks.
How were you exactly planning on storing the hydrogen in gallons form? Balloons? You'd need scuba tanks and a huge compressor to fill that scuba tank.
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lol i even laughed at most of that^^^ but seriously it will work just fine, when the prototype is done like i said you will see....
Hydrogen is a gas. In order to be ' sprayed ' by a fuel injector, it would have to become a liquid form. Hydrogens base to be liquified is -423degrees.
Hydrogen will also need a ratioed amount of an Oxidizer o2 would work ).
(nice truck^^ the water fuel tank is a little big tho and not practical other than that its an exact replica of what im gunna have...) lol right.. actually to the guy who was talking about salt water to make hydrogen.. if you type in "salt water hydrogen" in yahoo videos it should come up with a guy who figured out a way to make hydrogen out of saltwater just by using a frequency.. but it uses more power than it creates i bet... thats why were making a new generator...
and again if i was high then i prolly wouldnt stay on here long enough to type all this even though i seem crazy...
oh and it would be awesome if newton come up out of his grave..
I tried to avoid this folks.. I REALLY did.. but this is just too much.
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creating 1 liter per minute.. thats 20 amps.. now if you upgrated your alternator to a 200-300 amp alternator then say using 100 amps to run the generator you will make 5 liters per minute..
Current is drawn upon.
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My vote is that he will end up killing himself without ever knowing that it didn't work. He has mentioned just shoving a bunch of plates close together in his generator instead of separating them...but that means he is going to get mixed hydrogen and oxygen gases out of it (oxygen will be bubbling up from the anodes, and hydrogen from the cathodes). Lots of opportunity for boom when he starts playing around with that mix of gases. Oh, and even if he has them separate...I'd love to see what kind of tank he tries to pressurize oxygen into. BOOM! Either way, the first time he tries to run an engine on hydrogen it just might go boom because he is going to put a random amount of hydrogen into it. I know he will put a random amount of hydrogen into it because he hasn't done any math. I know he hasn't done any math because if he had then he would know his idea won't work and he would have apologized to us for killing our braincells.
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Out of curiosity, you wouldn't happen to be using the Vulcan block, rods, pistons and crank would you?
Hydrogen is a gas. In order to be ' sprayed ' by a fuel injector, it would have to become a liquid form. Hydrogens base to be liquified is -423degrees.
Hydrogen will also need a ratioed amount of an Oxidizer o2 would work ).
Then why not just stick with gasoline if your not using something efficient?
I'm an admitted stoner, Stoned right now.. and I can remember back over 20 years to high school chemistry enough to understand you need to share what your smokingn! Its Gotta be some Hydro!
You wouldn't want such to happen.. he would slap you.
I tried to avoid this folks.. I REALLY did.. but this is just too much.
Hydrogen is a gas. In order to be ' sprayed ' by a fuel injector, it would have to become a liquid form. Hydrogens base to be liquified is -423degrees.
Hydrogen will also need a ratioed amount of an Oxidizer o2 would work ).
Then why not just stick with gasoline if your not using something efficient?
I'm an admitted stoner, Stoned right now.. and I can remember back over 20 years to high school chemistry enough to understand you need to share what your smokingn! Its Gotta be some Hydro!
You wouldn't want such to happen.. he would slap you.
I tried to avoid this folks.. I REALLY did.. but this is just too much.
D I agree with everything you say, but hydrogen needs to be that cold to "become a liquid". Under pressure it doesnt need to be that cold.
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ok... you can run a gas into a engine.. it doesnt have to be a liquid or in pressurized tanks, yes i will be making hydrogen AND oxygen, thats exactly what we need to get a good burn, pure hydrogen will prolly blow it up.. we are making the gas on demand, which means we are hooking it up to 100 amps but have to dial it in for every vehicle as they need different amounts of fuel.. we will prolly have a small air compresser to force the gases in the engine, but we dont need tanks... and about volcan block or whatever you said, no.. we arent using any of that... all we have to do to the engine is change the injectors so we dont put an insane amount of gases in the cylinders.. we have a friend who is a mechanic that knows how to do everything we need to do and he will figure all of the engine stuff for us and re program the computer..and yes i am shoving a bunch of plates in a small area, BUT they are not going to be touching or close enough to arc to one another, we are not stupid... we know what we're doing and
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we know that our generator will be better than previously made hydrogen generators..and we're not really "spraying" it into a engine, we are releasing pressure instead of spraying a liquid.. its like spraying the gas, kinda.. and were not using an electrical power outtlet.. were using a alternator to run it. using high amps with only 12v is exactly what we want to do since a vehicle runs off 12v.. if i kill myself, thats good cuz in doing so i was figuring something out that you cant do, your too ignorant and stupid to understand something so simple.. sorry but its the truth..
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Originally Posted by KoDaK
if i kill myself, thats good cuz in doing so i was figuring something out that you cant do, your too ignorant and stupid to understand something so simple.. sorry but its the truth..
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why is everyone concidered 12. 4. 2. 6. whatever years old whenever they vent on people that criticize them? i dont neccesarily think itll work for SOME time from now. and obviously you people dont either. but it doesnt give any of us the right to demean the man and make him feel unwanted on this site. hell im a new guy and I understand that.
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why is everyone concidered 12. 4. 2. 6. whatever years old whenever they vent on people that criticize them? i dont neccesarily think itll work for SOME time from now. and obviously you people dont either. but it doesnt give any of us the right to demean the man and make him feel unwanted on this site. hell im a new guy and I understand that.
Dude he kinda is unwanted if he only posts weird impossible crap. If he makes threads about rangers...yes. But I mean ****, didnt he say he'd be done a day ago? I like joking around, but its improbable that he'd save the future...
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red ak.. im not saving the future, im not helping out you, im not wanting to change the world.. im doing this for me. thats it not you or anyone else.. if i produce these then im still only helping me, because you would be the one paying me.. n thanx hellion, and btw im 17.. young and you may think im stupid but im not, i graduated high scool at 16 and my older brother doing this with me is 22 and he graduated at 15.. he is a welder/fabricator and currently works at the military base in herlong.. i work for my parents doing a few jobs.. i work doing road construction, i seal coat/crackfill/stripe parking lots.. i know how to completly remodel a house, that is another of my parents businesses, i also run a sign company and make custom vinyl stickers for signs and vehicles.. my parents are real estate agents also and i prolly will be one too after i turn 18.. now you think this has nothing to do with the fact of making a hydrogen generator and it doesnt but im not stupid and with my brother, we know enough to
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do what we are doing.. i dont see why you think this is impossible.. ITS ALREADY BEEN DONE YOU DUMB F****s.. sorry but its true we are making one product better and work for a slightly different purpose.. its like a wheel... its been made but people make them better all the time.. do you want a super swamper or mud & snow? or a low pro... n i dont see why you think im stoned, you are the ones stoned (hellion excluded) you think this is an impossible feat but its already been proven that it is possible.. you are the ones on a ranger site 24/7 talking s*** to everyone who comes up with something that you didnt...i came one here to ask a simple question of will running a fan in your intake be better or worse.. then i decided to clue you guys in on a way to save a little money and suddenly you think im gunna blow up the earth with water or something.. your crazy, your high, your stupid, you have no idea what your talking about, you cant... you think your bigger than me or better by saying that? lol i dont give a
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s***... NO, you think up an idea and what do you think i will say... you may say now that all i do is come on here and write blah blah.. but in reality this is what i liked to do on my spare time was come to forums and read what people have to say.. but people like you are the ones who make this annoying and can **** a guy off.. i dont see why your so against it.. its not like im gunna destroy the world, its actually making it better so stfu and waste someone elses time arguing when you dont know wtf your talking about.. and if you are truly against this idea then why the f*** do you keep coming and posting stupid s*** on here.. you think you have the right? oh its a public forum.. yea to those who could bring something good to it... lol if you dont got nothin nice to say, then dont say nothin at all... i dont mind you saying what you think but seriously it will work so stop arguing with me.. i know im not the smartest person in the world, heck im prolly not smarter than you, but i think different and can
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come up with a solution to a problem.. not your problems but what i think is a problem for me.. i could really care less for you, im doing everything for me.. so if you dont like what im doing go tell it to someone who cares.. i made this thread to inform you that there isa way to make a alternate fuel that wont cost anything compared to fuel... then you go one and say im crazy.. the oil companies have bought up any ideas like this because they want to keep making money.. its greed.. im greedy and im sure your greedy but thats how we make money.. but i want to save my money and not give to the greedy.. is bs.. i make my money then the government takes a good chunk in taxes.. why? to pay their debt, why do they have debt? because they buy $1 for more than a dollar from the federal reserve bank.. they instantly have debt to pay the people.. how f^ is that.. thats why we pay taxes.. if you dont believe me then look up zeitgeist and watch it.. it will show you everything..
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but back to point, i am greedy.. end of story i want money, we all have to make money, if i can save money then i will make money, isnt that what we all do? i dont waste my money on my ranger.. i do what i have to and save what i can, its stupid to pay someone else just to live everyday.. me being 17 i dont really know all the costs of living but i know people who struggled at some point or another, for ex. my parents, at one point in time they had to file bankrupcy and lost everything.. 7 years later they have over a million dollars in equity... they arent stupid but it shows how someone can do something just by trying... the idea is like a hybrid, millions of people can save money on gas by buying a hybrid, if you can get rid of the cost of gas all together then people might go crazy.. this idea is exactly what people want, idk why you cant understand it... instead of writing a fiction book, ive written the facts.. if you dont believe them thats fine, continue living your life paying for everything......
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oh and aaron.. who says my thread is unwanted.. you... who likes having money? everyone.. who likes to save money? everyone.. who would buy a product that can pay for itself within say a few months? not everyone.. why? because people dont like change.. for the people who do, there is hydrogen.. people who actually have to work everyday just to get by, they will want anything to save money.. right now for me i have to pay for my truck and thats about it.. (including insurance) but i already own a house which i rent out and after the money i make off that it pays for everything and leaves me with $90 a month positive income.. add that to what i make a month by working.. i have money.. because im greedy.. ive bought the house to make money.. ive spent money to make money.. you buy a hydrogen generator to save money on gas..
"you spend money to make money, you make money to spend money" correct? usually comes close to equal amounts.. but make more money than you spend then your happy.. if you spend less you
"you spend money to make money, you make money to spend money" correct? usually comes close to equal amounts.. but make more money than you spend then your happy.. if you spend less you
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make more.. its the way we live.. i want to make a lot more than i have to spend.. thats why im doing this, no other reason.. and finaly.. i really hope you read all that^^^ because i am laughing my a** off now because you dont care but you still read it all just so you can think up an idea to say to oppose me again.. but i hope you read it and actually understand what i said.. im tired of writng now so sometime tomoro i will get back on just to see what you have to tell me next.. what you think you have to say.. say im a stoner, say im crazy, say it will never work, but you say that and i know your too ignorant just to drop it even if you dont think it will work and i know you didnt understand what i said.. so i will see how you resond to this, i hope you dont say the same s*** cuz if you do your more stupid than i thought... sorry but true..... (looking forward to your response tomoro!)
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Kyler..
I say this in all honesty. I'm not a ' fuel guru ' but many people can attest that I have played with fuel system ' in and outs ' for the SOHC engine. I've run Nitrous and presently run E85 ( 1.75$/gallon :) ).
It might be in the way your trying to present what your doing. Call it grammer, sentence structure or comprehension on MANY parts.. Makes no difference.
From the way it was worded, it sounded as if you were stating current was forced.
From the ' babbeling ' side of things.. Its why nobody is taking you seriously on this. You can't even construct a literate message and you want to play with a hydrogen burning device? One that plays with compression?
I present such as an explination as to why your recieving the replies as you have. If any of us could eliminate a fuel bill and just pour water into a tank on our trucks.. we would be all over such and giving it the kind of support never seen before for a consumer product. But as a messenger to the idea.. Your flogging it , not promoting it.
"but i hope you read it and actually understand what i said.. "
Its HARD to understand what your saying. Your not the only one that presents such a dilema. Most people see messages with run-on paragraphs and just pass them by or never even bother to comment.
I say this in all honesty. I'm not a ' fuel guru ' but many people can attest that I have played with fuel system ' in and outs ' for the SOHC engine. I've run Nitrous and presently run E85 ( 1.75$/gallon :) ).
It might be in the way your trying to present what your doing. Call it grammer, sentence structure or comprehension on MANY parts.. Makes no difference.
From the way it was worded, it sounded as if you were stating current was forced.
From the ' babbeling ' side of things.. Its why nobody is taking you seriously on this. You can't even construct a literate message and you want to play with a hydrogen burning device? One that plays with compression?
I present such as an explination as to why your recieving the replies as you have. If any of us could eliminate a fuel bill and just pour water into a tank on our trucks.. we would be all over such and giving it the kind of support never seen before for a consumer product. But as a messenger to the idea.. Your flogging it , not promoting it.
"but i hope you read it and actually understand what i said.. "
Its HARD to understand what your saying. Your not the only one that presents such a dilema. Most people see messages with run-on paragraphs and just pass them by or never even bother to comment.
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why is everyone concidered 12. 4. 2. 6. whatever years old whenever they vent on people that criticize them? i dont neccesarily think itll work for SOME time from now. and obviously you people dont either. but it doesnt give any of us the right to demean the man and make him feel unwanted on this site. hell im a new guy and I understand that.
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In other news, a minor accident on the 405 freeway this morning left 400 people dead and leveled 14 city blocks....
So, let me make sure I understand this completely, I want to make sure the bomb squad has all the necessary information ahead of time here. He's going pop start this fuel-air bomb on wheels thing by "forcing" 100 amps through some randomly placed plates in a water filled tank. This will create hydrogen and oxygen gases. He then plans to somehow collect this explosive mixture and pump it through an air compressor into the engine of a car. The engine will then run, and a portion of the alternator's power will be rammed through those metal plates to keep it running.
Do I have the jist of this correct so far? Has anyone notified NASA because I'm pretty sure they'll be able to see this one from space.
So, let me make sure I understand this completely, I want to make sure the bomb squad has all the necessary information ahead of time here. He's going pop start this fuel-air bomb on wheels thing by "forcing" 100 amps through some randomly placed plates in a water filled tank. This will create hydrogen and oxygen gases. He then plans to somehow collect this explosive mixture and pump it through an air compressor into the engine of a car. The engine will then run, and a portion of the alternator's power will be rammed through those metal plates to keep it running.
Do I have the jist of this correct so far? Has anyone notified NASA because I'm pretty sure they'll be able to see this one from space.
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In other news, a minor accident on the 405 freeway this morning left 400 people dead and leveled 14 city blocks....
So, let me make sure I understand this completely, I want to make sure the bomb squad has all the necessary information ahead of time here. He's going jump start this thing by "forcing" 100 amps through some randomly placed metal plates in a water filled tank. This will create hydrogen and oxygen gases. He then plans to somehow collect this explosive mixture and pump it through an air compressor into the engine of a car. The engine will then run, and a portion of the alternator's power will be rammed through those metal plates to keep it running.
Do I have the jist of this correct so far? Has anyone notified NASA because I'm pretty sure they'll be able to see this one from space.
So, let me make sure I understand this completely, I want to make sure the bomb squad has all the necessary information ahead of time here. He's going jump start this thing by "forcing" 100 amps through some randomly placed metal plates in a water filled tank. This will create hydrogen and oxygen gases. He then plans to somehow collect this explosive mixture and pump it through an air compressor into the engine of a car. The engine will then run, and a portion of the alternator's power will be rammed through those metal plates to keep it running.
Do I have the jist of this correct so far? Has anyone notified NASA because I'm pretty sure they'll be able to see this one from space.
