AC won't work, I've tried everything.
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AC won't work, I've tried everything.
I have a 2002, 3.0 5 spd manual ranger, the AC will work sometimes, but only on hot days, but not Everytime. I have correct refrigerant, I have jumped the high, and low pressure switch, nothing, I have jumped the compressor clutch, it is fine, and I have also added refrigerant, I'm stumped, I think it could be some type of ambient air temp sensor, but I'm not sure if there is even one on this specific year. Also I checked the relay and fuses, all is good there, I have no clue, can't think of anything else, any help is appreciated!
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No, there is no ambient temp sensor for the AC
But ambient temp DOES effect Refrigerant pressure, so pressure switches
In 2002 AC is activated by the PCM(engine computer), this is done so if engine temp gets too high(overheating) AC can be shut off, or if you press gas pedal to the floor(WOT, Wide open throttle) the computer will shut off AC for extra power until you back off gas pedal
So how it works
In any setting except OFF and VENT the PCM will get 12volts from the Mode switch and AC Compressor should cycle on and off, every few seconds, this is to dry the air in the cab.
If Mode switch is on AC or MAX AC the compressor should come on full time to cool the air in the cab
What the PCM does
The 2 pressure switches pass a GROUND to the PCM
When AC is activated the PCM passes that GROUND to the Compressor relay which closes and sends 12v to the AC Clutch which engages and causes compressor to spin
Ford always had issues with AC clutch air gap, you can google that, what it means is that the clutch needs to be close enough to the "field" so when the "field has 12volts it can PULL the clutch in and engage the compressor
So what you should do is see if there is 12volts at the compressor clutch wire, use a sew pin to pierce the wire, to see if compressor is disengaging when it has 12volts, or if the 12volts is being cut
If 12volts is there then clutch is the issue
If 12volts is going away then clutch is NOT the issue
Then you should test the Pressure switch wire, find the Black/yellow stripe wire on one of the pressure switches, use same sewing pin to pierce that wire, engine running, see if ground is cutting out when AC compressor is, if so system pressure is getting too low or too high, when its "hot out"
No, there is no ambient temp sensor for the AC
But ambient temp DOES effect Refrigerant pressure, so pressure switches
In 2002 AC is activated by the PCM(engine computer), this is done so if engine temp gets too high(overheating) AC can be shut off, or if you press gas pedal to the floor(WOT, Wide open throttle) the computer will shut off AC for extra power until you back off gas pedal
So how it works
In any setting except OFF and VENT the PCM will get 12volts from the Mode switch and AC Compressor should cycle on and off, every few seconds, this is to dry the air in the cab.
If Mode switch is on AC or MAX AC the compressor should come on full time to cool the air in the cab
What the PCM does
The 2 pressure switches pass a GROUND to the PCM
When AC is activated the PCM passes that GROUND to the Compressor relay which closes and sends 12v to the AC Clutch which engages and causes compressor to spin
Ford always had issues with AC clutch air gap, you can google that, what it means is that the clutch needs to be close enough to the "field" so when the "field has 12volts it can PULL the clutch in and engage the compressor
So what you should do is see if there is 12volts at the compressor clutch wire, use a sew pin to pierce the wire, to see if compressor is disengaging when it has 12volts, or if the 12volts is being cut
If 12volts is there then clutch is the issue
If 12volts is going away then clutch is NOT the issue
Then you should test the Pressure switch wire, find the Black/yellow stripe wire on one of the pressure switches, use same sewing pin to pierce that wire, engine running, see if ground is cutting out when AC compressor is, if so system pressure is getting too low or too high, when its "hot out"
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I have checked everything with voltmeter and it shows 12 when it initially kicks in then 0 almost imediatley after, 99% of the time it kicks back off, and doesn't turn back on again. When it does decide to work, it will run for around 30 seconds then kick off, I know it's supposed to cycle, but i think it should be closer to the 2 minute mark. I have made a jumper to try to bypass the sensors like you said before, but I put a small peice of wire into the terminals on the plug. Should I puncture the wires and connect hot go ground, or is my method fine?
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If the AC works it works really good, but kicks on and off every 30 seconds or so.
the AC clutch shows 12v then 0 when is is not working at all, sometimes it will work 20 minutes into your trip, it does what it feels like
I'm wondering if there is a temp sensor to tell the compressor to kick off, maybe that is bad, and when it gets hot enough it will run, because it lies right on the threshold of working, and not working
the AC clutch shows 12v then 0 when is is not working at all, sometimes it will work 20 minutes into your trip, it does what it feels like
I'm wondering if there is a temp sensor to tell the compressor to kick off, maybe that is bad, and when it gets hot enough it will run, because it lies right on the threshold of working, and not working
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No, no temp sensor, EXCEPT for the engine coolant temp(ECT) sensor, turns AC off if engine is over heating
If compressor is losing 12volts then the AC Clutch Relay is opening, and that's controlled by the computer(assuming relay is OK)
So its down to 12volt "Demand" signal from the dash switch
The pressure switch grounds
The computer
This is the wiring diagram, its convoluted which is why I didn't post it before
The purple(violet) wire has 12volts when dash switch selects AC, this goes to computer(demand signal)
The computer then connects pin 69 and 86 together, to Ground the AC Clutch Relay to close it and send 12v to Compressor's clutch to turn it on
You don't have a 2.3l engine so no electric cooling fan
The PCM power relay(and diode) powers the computer and spark and injectors so its fine if engine stays running
If compressor is losing 12volts then the AC Clutch Relay is opening, and that's controlled by the computer(assuming relay is OK)
So its down to 12volt "Demand" signal from the dash switch
The pressure switch grounds
The computer
This is the wiring diagram, its convoluted which is why I didn't post it before
The purple(violet) wire has 12volts when dash switch selects AC, this goes to computer(demand signal)
The computer then connects pin 69 and 86 together, to Ground the AC Clutch Relay to close it and send 12v to Compressor's clutch to turn it on
You don't have a 2.3l engine so no electric cooling fan
The PCM power relay(and diode) powers the computer and spark and injectors so its fine if engine stays running
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Check which one?
For the "demand signal" you would open up the PCM wiring and find the Purple wire for pin 41 and stick a sewing needle into it, then start engine, turn on AC and see if that wire stayed at 12volts while AC cycles off
And also see if pins 69 and 86 stay Grounded while AC cycles off
I actually think you should rent a set of pressure gauges to test the system, while the electrical part can have -problems its far more likely for the pressure part to be the problem, yes even with sensors by passed
For the "demand signal" you would open up the PCM wiring and find the Purple wire for pin 41 and stick a sewing needle into it, then start engine, turn on AC and see if that wire stayed at 12volts while AC cycles off
And also see if pins 69 and 86 stay Grounded while AC cycles off
I actually think you should rent a set of pressure gauges to test the system, while the electrical part can have -problems its far more likely for the pressure part to be the problem, yes even with sensors by passed
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Good to hear
But a little perplexed that you didn't have a CEL(check engine light) with a failing ECT sensor, or running issues
Computer would prevent AC from coming on and would also shut it off if ECT sensor showed engine was running HOT, overheating
It would also run the engine richer to cool it down, which should cause running issue if it was NOT running HOT.
It would be a odd way for ECT to fail without setting a code, but obviously did happen in this case
But a little perplexed that you didn't have a CEL(check engine light) with a failing ECT sensor, or running issues
Computer would prevent AC from coming on and would also shut it off if ECT sensor showed engine was running HOT, overheating
It would also run the engine richer to cool it down, which should cause running issue if it was NOT running HOT.
It would be a odd way for ECT to fail without setting a code, but obviously did happen in this case
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