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abit of steering help for the tires





TONS of new plumbing..







Gotta have a better fluid cooler now..



New rubber for the front (for now).. 38.5x14.50 TSL/SX's.







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Sweet! Your dropping some serious money as of late!

Looks good, get a chance to drive it? How does it react or feel?
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Thats a real slick set up. I bet it cost a pretty penny though.
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how much did that cost you altogether? And i'm guessing you installed it yourself
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looks really good kevin where in SD you live?
i was just out there with work for a week and was all over the place kept my fingers crossed id so lucky of me to run into your truck but no luck
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That thing is a monster!!! Great work.
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What are those red things?
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Bump stops.
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Bump stops
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NICE!!! Its still probably my favorite truck on the site.



wheelin' with hydro assist is fun and scary if not used to it.
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Thanks guys!

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Sweet! Your dropping some serious money as of late!

Looks good, get a chance to drive it? How does it react or feel?
Not yet. The funny thing with hydro-assist that I didn't realize is the ram really only works when the steering feels resistance. So during 'normal' driving/operation it is really just a high-pressure steering stabilizer. I had thought it worked more like full hydro does where the ram is doing as much work consistantely throughout the steering cycle.


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how much did that cost you altogether? And i'm guessing you installed it yourself
With the ram/hoses/fittings from PSC, the tube clamp from Ballistic, the tapped steering box service through West Texas Offroad and the axle truss through Rubicon express (which was originally going to serve as the mounting point for my upper axle link in my 3-link design), I'd say I have ~$400 into the setup.


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looks really good kevin where in SD you live?
i was just out there with work for a week and was all over the place kept my fingers crossed id so lucky of me to run into your truck but no luck
I live in South San Diego.. about 10 mins. from the border (Mexico).


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NICE!!! Its still probably my favorite truck on the site.



wheelin' with hydro assist is fun and scary if not used to it.
Thanks dood!

Yeah I'm definitely lookin' forward to tryin' out the steering, especially after dealing with it for awhile now running' 38's and a Detroit up front.
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400 aint bad for that set up at all!! looks really good!
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Not yet. The funny thing with hydro-assist that I didn't realize is the ram really only works when the steering feels resistance. So during 'normal' driving/operation it is really just a high-pressure steering stabilizer. I had thought it worked more like full hydro does where the ram is doing as much work consistantely throughout the steering cycle.
oh that reminds me do you have enough flow on that pump? its a stock pump right?

per the ford manual, its only about 2.6gpm and 1400psi



over at PSC they have a performance toyota pump running at 1600psi (I assume this is relief pressure? and 4.5pgm)

http://www.pscmotorsports.com/sp1200...ump-p-512.html


What do you think? I talked to Jason the owner at KatKustoms and he said the pump NEEDS to be upgraded on steering changes like this.
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Kevin, I don't think you are going to be disappointed with the Red Neck setup, I've been to that shop numerous times down there in San Angelo, TX (wife's home town) Paul and Rich are good guys and know there stuff, they have done some work for me on my truck and I have yet to be dissapointed. Truck is lookin sharp bud....keep us posted.
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oh that reminds me do you have enough flow on that pump? its a stock pump right?

per the ford manual, its only about 2.6gpm and 1400psi



over at PSC they have a performance toyota pump running at 1600psi (I assume this is relief pressure? and 4.5pgm)

http://www.pscmotorsports.com/sp1200...ump-p-512.html


What do you think? I talked to Jason the owner at KatKustoms and he said the pump NEEDS to be upgraded on steering changes like this.
Hmm. Do you know the link takes me to a performance GM pump and not a Toyota pump? Regardless, the GM pump looks very much similar to the stock 4.0 pump we have. Do you know if it's a direct bolt up?

I also havn't really talked with anyone in-depth as you seem to have on any upgrades for our pump. And while I don't think the pump 'needs' to be upgraded with a setup such as this, I could agree that upgrading is definitely a good idea.

Thanks for all the info Zach.
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Um? Their site is messed up, I know that is a Toyota pump just from the picture, as you browse the site and click on it you will find it changes the top categories? idk but I do know that is a toyota pump.

As for the pump it looks like it could be really close to a direct bolt on, I just dont want to drop the change to find out. LOL

I have not seen any pump upgrades either for our pump, I have a pump from a E250, which is nearly the same pump design the bolt pattern is just different, it actually outputs a huge difference from our pumps, So my thinking was to take this one apart and switch the insides, I just dont know if it will work.

Ford made 2 CIII style pumps the one in our trucks and a higher performance one found on superdutys and EMS type trucks.
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Um? Their site is messed up, I know that is a Toyota pump just from the picture, as you browse the site and click on it you will find it changes the top categories? idk but I do know that is a toyota pump.

As for the pump it looks like it could be really close to a direct bolt on, I just dont want to drop the change to find out. LOL

I have not seen any pump upgrades either for our pump, I have a pump from a E250, which is nearly the same pump design the bolt pattern is just different, it actually outputs a huge difference from our pumps, So my thinking was to take this one apart and switch the insides, I just dont know if it will work.

Ford made 2 CIII style pumps the one in our trucks and a higher performance one found on superdutys and EMS type trucks.
How did you find out the E250 pump works for our engine? And if the bolt pattern is different, how differently did you mount it? Got a link perhaps? Because if it outputs such a huge difference over our stock pump, and if it's cheaper than the aformentioned Toyota pump from PSC, I'm curious to look further into both options.

As for the 2 CIII style pumps, do you have any knowledge of the size/bolt pattern/etc. that would influence/enable using it on our engine? Because I can see it being similar in size/mounting style yet higher output because those vehicles you mentioned don't run rack-and-pinion steering.
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Well i was doing a google search and ran across it.

I have the pump outside, and I can get pics but you know how the bolts go from the front to the back on the ranger pump, well the bolts go from drivers side to passenger side (side to side) on the E250 pump. so its backwards, no way you can get it to mount, what i wanted to do was switch the insides into the 4.0 ranger pump.

Now what I was thinking was if i could find a toyota take the pump off it and see if you can get it to fit, if it does then buy the performance pump. I cant take my truck down for any extended amount of time, If you are interested I will send this other pump to you if you want to try and put them together and get something to work.
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Diggin' her up for an update!

About a year ago when I hooked up my hydro-assist it was powered with the stock 4.0 pump which I found to be quite inadequite. Due to the lack of higher flow from it, the ram hindered the steering responsiveness more than help it. So I removed the ram until I could address the setup again. Recently I had some time and was able to look further into the pump issue. I removed the pump and a/c compressor, along with the bracket that bolts to the head and shipped the pump, pulley, and bracket off to PSC for some fitting.

What Kelvin at PSC came up with was pretty impressive. He retrofitted a CB series pump to the stock bracket. The new pump is of the same basic design as the stock pump, just bigger! Because of the increased size, it is MUCH more productive: 1600 PSI and 3.5 GPM (Gallons Per Minute) vs. the stock pump, 1400 PSI and 2.6 GPM, roughy. After installing the new pump, plumbing the system and bleeding it, all I can say it DAMN, the difference is night and day! The steering has not felt this smooth since I had rack-and-pinion. Anyhow, 'nuff of me.. here's a couple pics. Will get more of the complete system installed when possible.

Sorry for the shotty pics, only had my cell phone to use..



^^ Back side of bracket, pump. Notice where the top right edge of the opening of the center portion of the bracket required slight clearancing for the feed line of the pump. The only other difference is the 9pm and 3pm holes on the pump are through-bolts; the only stock bolt used is the top/12pm Noon position.




^^ Front of bracket, pump.




^^ And the blingin' reservoir..

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