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Are there any cheaper alternatives to fox coil overs? Id like to do this but I dont think I can afford fox shocks. Maybe some without a reservoir?
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I am wondering about this also, it's not that I don't want fox, but it would be nice to see what else is in spec for our set ups. From what I have heard the Fox shocks were custom built, but I would imagine there are shocks out there that fit our specs.
You don't have to get a coil-over with a reservoir. Emulsion coil-over's don't have a reservoir. There aren't really any cheaper alternatives though. Coil-over's aren't cheap.
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In the pics I have seen,most dont have a front sway bar. What is the reason for removing this? I still have mine, just thought it would handle poorly on the road without it.
It makes the ride better. I never removed mine either.
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It makes the ride better. I never removed mine either.
It makes the ride better, but at what cost? Is it a noticeable difference on sharp cornering on the road?
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KLC, can this information be organized into a sticky?
I'll compile a list of information. Hopefully it will make it easier for those wanting to do the conversion.
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It makes the ride better, but at what cost? Is it a noticeable difference on sharp cornering on the road?
You will notice increased body roll, but I can't say what the difference is as I never removed mine. Some like it and some don't. Disconnect one of your sway bar end links and see if you like it.
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Turns your ranger into a 12 foot bayliner, i like it
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Message just received from ORW regarding information on coil-overs.... Things keep getting harder and harder:


Unfortunately not all the parts have been discontinued including the FOX coil-over's. The kits that are available would be by Camburg or Dixon Bros.

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Wait after reading my post, I am still confused, but I think the e-mail means the fox shocks are discontinued.

Edit: Coil-overs are discontinued. Nick said he would try to get me the specs.

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Does anyone have any specs from these to add? I have found some of the info, but it has been partial info, never full. So...

750lb springs for a front end without heavy winch and bumper
2.25 ID springs
5" Stroke

Thats about all the info I have. Please help and I will correct if wrong.
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I thought it was a 6" stroke? Also I remember someone mentioning the shocks being 2.0 models.. 7/8ths shafts on the coilovers too.. This is all coming from my somewhat sh*tty memory..

Surely someone here can simply measure the outside diameter of their springs for us... What about overall length?


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Does anyone have any specs from these to add? I have found some of the info, but it has been partial info, never full. So...

750lb springs for a front end without heavy winch and bumper
2.25 ID springs
5" Stroke

Thats about all the info I have. Please help and I will correct if wrong.
I don’t have any of the information for stock height vehicles (but need it for my truck!)...but for a superlifted person looking for a conversion I found the following from the older conversion threads:

Fox Shocks 2.0" X 6.5" Emulsion Coil-over #980-99-001-A = Qty of 2
Eibach ERS 12" long 2.5" I.D. Coil spring Spring Rate: 750lb = Qty of 2

Now, I have heard the ones from ORW were "custom" Fox shocks, but I don’t have any details, and the part numbers listed are standard Fox coilovers...so I'm not sure what makes them "custom". Anyone have ideas what ORW did to the stock part #'s? The pictures posted earlier seem to have an "extended" bottom eyelet (bottom of coil to actual bolt hole), maybe that has something to do with the "custom" part. Any ideas?

I need to figure out the part numbers for a stock height truck...I have all the brackets...but need the actual CO's & springs. Any idea if I can compare the available Fox CO's to the stock factory shock in terms of extended/collapsed lengths & overall travel? Would that still apply for the CO's? I'm thinking so...but before I drop $500...I would like to be certain! lol

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I am just doing some research, but it seems other specs needed are overall length compressed and uncompressed.

With the torsion bar system, what stops the wheel from dropping too far.. The shock?

The factory bump stop is steel? Sorry not out looking at my truck just guessing from pictures...

The limit straps are necessary with the coil-over kit to prevent over extension.. Coilovers must get harmed when extended and vehicle weight added when in a wheel drop situation.

I have seen people using "beard" limiting straps.. Are these universal or is a size ordered?

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you can limit it however you want but also the IFS suspension is going to limit the coilovers extension. There's only so far that IFS is gonna drop.
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I am just doing some research, but it seems other specs needed are overall length compressed and uncompressed.
Well If we can confirm the actual Fox part numbers used in a stock height truck when doing the conversion..getting the compressed & extended data would be simple...it's all right on Fox's website.

I have already looked up that data for a superlifted truck (using my part numbers listed above)...but I am wondering if we can compare the stock shock data and just match it up to a Fox coilover of similiar numbers.
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you can limit it however you want but also the IFS suspension is going to limit the coilovers extension. There's only so far that IFS is gonna drop.
So if a coil-over was used that had enough extension, limiting straps would not be necessary? The droop from the A-arms would hold back from dropping too much?? I don't know what other part would come into effect..
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So if a coil-over was used that had enough extension, limiting straps would not be necessary?
I look at limit straps like cheap insurance,better to have it and not need it...than have something go wrong. Why risk it over a $50 strap?
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I look at limit straps like cheap insurance,better to have it and not need it...than have something go wrong. Why risk it over a $50 strap?
When I install my coil overs, I will definitely use these. I was just determining the necessity of using these. Does anyone use these without the limiting straps?
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You need limit straps, expecially if you have a 4x4.
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You need limit straps, expecially if you have a 4x4.
Could you elaborate a bit? Why are these needed?

Edit: Sorry for so many questions, I am just more interested in the how and why rather than the fact if it works or not.
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Could you elaborate a bit? Why are these needed?
You don't want the coil-over to act as the limit strap. Another reason is because the CV axle will bind.
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Basically the only thing that limits down-travel are the CV's, and the coilover springs due to space constraints. Limit straps are a necessity, and bump stops are highly recommended if you regularly compress the suspension. The coil-over's have 6.0" of travel for a Superlifted Ranger and 5.0" of travel for stock height Ranger's.

The biggest disadvantage of a "regular" shock is that when asked to endure sustained rough terrain, they can overheat. The result is that the shock loses its ability to dampen. Remote reservoir shocks can help solve this problem. They're designed with an external reservoir that increases fluid capacity. This increase in capacity helps lower fluid temperature.

Keep in mind, you can't just buy any 6.0" or 5.0" travel coil-over and expect it to work. That's a mistake a lot of people make.
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Keep in mind, you can't just buy any 6.0" or 5.0" travel coil-over and expect it to work. That's a mistake a lot of people make.
What would be the determining factor? I know everyone says the coilover ORW used to sell were "custom" but anyone know what made them that? It carries the same part number of a standard FOX coilover. And I'm pretty sure that the member "mudslanger" on this thread (https://www.ranger-forums.com/f36/my...s-begun-63189/) used a coilover not purchased from ORW and didn't mention any issues.

So instead of the 6.5" version he used (980-99-001-A) I wonder if I can use the 5" version (980-99-000-A) on a stock ranger. Since the superlifted conversion trucks use a 12" spring..I'm guessing the stock suspension would work with a 10" version of the same 750lb rating.

Starting to feel like it could be a $500 gamble to see if these parts work on my truck! hmmm...

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Did you even read my last post? You need a 6.0" travel coil-over for a Superlift and 5.0" travel coil-over for a stock height Ranger. Not 6.5" travel like some used, which is why they are custom. The Fox coil-over’s were also valved for the Ranger application. An off-the-shelf coil-over won't be. Another factor is that not all 6.0” or 5.0” travel coil-over’s are created equal. Sure it may provide the same amount of travel, but at what extended and compressed lengths?

A general rule to start with is that the overall length of the coils needs to be twice the travel of the coil-over.
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Here’s a peek at what the brackets I’m drawing will look like. They aren’t done yet so that’s why I made the picture small. I still need to draw the rest of the pieces, and add measurements and angles. Then I will redraw them on a clean piece of cardstock for the final drawing.

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