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Those are looking great KLC! This is awesome. Just another reason to love this site..


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Did you even read my last post? You need a 6.0" travel coil-over for a Superlift and 5.0" travel coil-over for a stock height Ranger. Not 6.5" travel like some used, which is why they are custom
Well I don't see how they are custom made with .5" shorter travel and had the same part number of the standard 6.5" version...also the price was within $10 of the standard one you could buy anywhere. I would expect a larger premium if they were making the travel shorter just for Ford Rangers....but thanks for the heads up.

So I'm guessing in order to find a suitable replacement coil-over, we need to confirm the extended and collapsed lengths of a stock stock like I said a few posts ago??

Or the ability to make the brackets would all be for nothing if nobody makes a coil-over anymore.
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The extra half inch of travel could be limited by a strap instead of having a company build you a custom coilover.. I can't see where it'd be a problem..



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The extra half inch of travel could be limited by a strap instead of having a company build you a custom coilover.. I can't see where it'd be a problem..
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Good point! I just need to verify the extended & collapsed lengths...and I might pull the trigger.
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They didn't have the same part number and they were valved differently. Whoever posted a part number didn't post it for the custom Fox coil-over's ORW offered. ORW never assigned a part number for them according to Nick K. from ORW. Fox did a special run for ORW just for the coil-over conversion, which is why I guess you can't get them any longer.

Like I already said, you can’t just buy any 6.0” travel coil-over. Let me give you an example that might make more sense:

Let’s say you found a 6.0” travel coil-over. The extended length is 20.00” and the collapsed length is 14.00”. Now let’s say you need a 16.00” extended length and 10.00” collapsed length. It is still a 6.0” travel coil-over, but it won’t work.

The coil-over body length makes a difference.

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Let’s say you found a 6.0” travel coil-over. The extended length is 20.00” and the collapsed length is 14.00”. Now let’s say you need a 16.00” extended length and 10.00” collapsed length. It is still a 6.0” travel coil-over, but it won’t work.
Yep no doubt...that's why I have been asking and stating a few times if I confirm the extended & collapsed length with a stock shock, then pick a coil-over with similar ratings would I be "good to go".

I'm assuming so.
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They didn't have the same part number and they were valved differently. Whoever posted a part number didn't post it for the custom Fox coil-over's ORW offered.
True & good point. I guess I'm getting past the ORW stuff...since they don’t offer ANYTHING anymore. The thread link I posted had a member that used an off the shelve FOX coil-over (custom valving performed by the seller) and it seemed to have worked fine.

This seems to be our only option anymore and with this information, others can try to find a different brand that matches the standard FOX statistics if they don’t want the FOX setup.
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Yep no doubt...that's why I have been asking and stating a few times if I confirm the extended & collapsed length with a stock shock, then pick a coil-over with similar ratings would I be "good to go".

I'm assuming so.
I was just clarifying what I had previously said. What will you do about valving?
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What will you do about valving?
Im doing some more research right now..but it looks like most sellers of Fox coil-overs offer valving services. Ill have to talk with them and see what they suggest.

Im hoping since they do it for a living they can help me out like ORW used to offer.
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I hope you get all of the specs figured out. I'd hate to make a $500 mistake. Nick K. told me that they had a ton of people just buy an off-the-shelf coil-over from the ORW site just to find out they did not work. Some places won't accept returns once they have been custom valved, others charge a 15% restocking fee.
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I’m sure you guys are finding out coil-over’s aren’t cheap and there are a lot of variables. That’s why very few of us have or had them. For most of us it wasn’t as easy as just buying a kit from ORW, including myself.
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I hope you get all of the specs figured out. I'd hate to make a $500 mistake. Nick K. told me that they had a ton of people just buy an off-the-shelf coil-over from the ORW site just to find out they did not work. Some places won't accept returns once they have been custom valved, others charge a 15% restocking fee.
Yeah I hear you there! That's why I was hoping that Nick would be a little more helpful today when I called and talked with him...instead he just said they dont offer them anymore and that was that.

Maybe he will be able to get someone the specifics on the custom setups they used to offer to make it easier for people now, since ORW is still a "supporting vendor" of this site.
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You guys still have plenty of options for coil-over’s. It’s just going to be more difficult to figure out now. I wish I could be of more help, but without a Ranger to use as a test subject there isn’t much I can do. Someone needs to take a tire off their Ranger and take a few measurements.

Collapsed length is going to be the most important to get right. You don’t want the coil-over to act as the bump stop nor do you want to limit the up travel anymore than it already is. The extended length you can limit by the limit straps so that is a nonissue. Keep in mind you need a 2.0” diameter coil-over too. The coil spring diameter is 2.5”.
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What measurements are needed? I can probably pull my wheel off this weekend.
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Ok I am trying to start a parts list for this, but am still missing lots of info. Here is what I have:

Gussets-Available from RCD
Can also be easily made from pieces of steel rather than bought
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Upper coil mount spacers-Available from RCD
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Coil-over cone spacers-Should be made to spec or ordered, based on bracket width
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Coil-overs-Still looking for a compatible model
Shaft diameter: 5/8" and 7/8" has been used, but size can differ
Extended length:
Collapsed length:
Stroke stock vehicle: 5"?
Stroke w/ Superlift: 6"-6.5"?
Coil-over mounts: Eyelets are 1/2"
Spring- From what I understand must be bought separately
Spring ID: 2.5"
Spring length: 12" for 6" stroke coil-over, and 10" for 5" stroke coil-over
Spring weight: 750#

Limit Straps:
10" Beard Straps w/ stock suspension-also depends on mounting just what I have seen others use

Brackets: Made from 1/4" Chromoly
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Hardware: All should be Grade 8
Coil-over eyelet mount bolts:
1/2" x 3" Qty: 4
Lower bracket mounts:
3/8" x 1.25" Qty: 8
Upper bracket through back mount:
1/2" x 1.25" Qty: 4
Upper bracket through top:
1/2" x 2.25" Qty:2
Nuts and washers:
1/2" grade 8 lock nuts Qty: 10
1/2" grade 8 washers Qty: 20
3/8" grade 8 lock nuts Qty: 8
3/8" grade 8 washers Qty: 16


Bump stop addition:
Can be bought from Daystar
Daystar - Driven by Design
If someone added the specific one they used, it would helpful.

Torsion bar tool required for removing T-bars

Sawzall required for cutting of old bumpstop

I know this is nowhere near complete, but it is what I have found and am hoping others can fill in the unknown areas.

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Coil-Over Shaft Diameter - Can Differ
Bracket Mount Coil-Over Eyelets - 1/2"

Coil Spring Length: 12" for 6.0" stroke coil-over and 10" for 5.0" stroke coil-over

Hardware List:

4 - 1/2"x3" grade 8 bolts (coil-over bolts)
4 - 1/2"x1.25" grade 8 bolts (upper mount drilled holes through back)
2 - 1/2"x2.25" grade 8 bolts (upper mount through top)
8 - 3/8"x1.25" grade 8 bolts (lower mount through bottom and side)

10 - 1/2" grade 8 lock nuts
20 - 1/2" grade 8 washers

8 - 3/8" grade 8 lock nuts
16 - 3/8" grade 8 washers
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Thanks for the info
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I did read the entire thread that was linked to and that member used his own Fox shocks that had a 5/8 shaft. Just thought I'd throw that out there..


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I did read the entire thread that was linked to and that member used his own Fox shocks that had a 5/8 shaft. Just thought I'd throw that out there..


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He sent me a PM last night confirming that he did not buy the "custom" coil-overs from ORW...he used the stock Fox setups like you mentioned. (custom valved by his seller). His truck was superlifted so he used the 6.5" stroke one I posted earlier in this thread. He also confirmed that no modifications were needed to the CO's or springs to make it work.

I contacted the same seller as he did today and I think I will be buying the 5" Fox versions to test it all out on my stock truck. From what I could find out, the other stats (extended/collapsed lengths) on them seem to be similar to the stock shocks.
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He sent me a PM last night confirming that he did not buy the "custom" coil-overs from ORW...he used the stock Fox setups like you mentioned. (custom valved by his seller). His truck was superlifted so he used the 6.5" stroke one I posted earlier in this thread. He also confirmed that no modifications were needed to the CO's or springs to make it work.

I contacted the same seller as he did today and I think I will be buying the 5" Fox versions to test it all out on my stock truck.
Where are you buying them from and what are they? Details!
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KLC how are those templates coming?
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Good reasearch ridin434. When you have everything written up you should make a new thread with EVERYTHING involved with the coilover swap(and doing it yourself). It'll be really helpful
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Ok found this in an old thread called "My coil-over swap has began!!!!"

May help someone...

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As some of you know, im Superlifted and i hate Torsion Bars. I decided today was a good day to call up RCD and buy some hardware to do the swap. I got everything i need on order and im excited.

My coilover swap is now OFFICIALLY in PROGRESS.

Here is a little bit of info on what i ordered here:

Driver Side:
Upper 20-52498-9
Lower 20-52498-11
2 Gussets 20-52498-17
Spacers 20-833167

Passenger Side:
Upper 20-52498-9
Lower 20-52498-12
2 Gussets 20-52498-17
Spacers 20-833167

Cost me about 185 bucks for all of the RCD stuff.

Now its time to order me some 12" 750# hypercoils and Fox Shocks.

And here is the specs of the Shocks ill be getting:

The 2.0x6.5 shock from Fox:

Shock Travel: 6.50"
Extended Length: 19.35"
Collasped Length: 12.85"
Shaft size is: 5/8"
Fox Part #: 980-99-001A

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Well here is some more pics brought up from the depths of RF. Hope it helps

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KLC how are those templates coming?
Haven't had a chance to work on them any more. I will get them done soon though.
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