Coilover Valving...
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Coilover Valving...
Ok as some people know, i broke a POS Bilstein C/O the other day..
Option 1 was to go through RCD... hell no its $300 for the whole assembly.. i have 750# Hypercoil springs... dont need the shatty 600s...
Option 2... go through Bilstein for just the shock, nope they were gay "you have to go through a vendor"... well it just happens RCD has tried to just get the shock from them before w/o luck
so it leaves me with
Option 3... Find other coil overs. Fox and King are nice.. but damn son $$$$.. So i went and looked at FOA.. $175 a shock, much better! I'll be getting 2 since i dont know how far behind the driverside shock is from breaking. The bilsteins from what i understand were 14.625" compressed and 19.125" extended, these are 14.25 and 20.25 so i think that will be fine... BUT as usual i ran into a problem.
The compression valve and rebound valve.. Do i need: zero, extra light, light, light/medium, medium or firm?
-Thanks
http://f-o-a.com/shop/index.php?main...&products_id=5
Option 1 was to go through RCD... hell no its $300 for the whole assembly.. i have 750# Hypercoil springs... dont need the shatty 600s...
Option 2... go through Bilstein for just the shock, nope they were gay "you have to go through a vendor"... well it just happens RCD has tried to just get the shock from them before w/o luck
so it leaves me with
Option 3... Find other coil overs. Fox and King are nice.. but damn son $$$$.. So i went and looked at FOA.. $175 a shock, much better! I'll be getting 2 since i dont know how far behind the driverside shock is from breaking. The bilsteins from what i understand were 14.625" compressed and 19.125" extended, these are 14.25 and 20.25 so i think that will be fine... BUT as usual i ran into a problem.
The compression valve and rebound valve.. Do i need: zero, extra light, light, light/medium, medium or firm?
-Thanks
http://f-o-a.com/shop/index.php?main...&products_id=5
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my wheelin IFS days are over
the shocks are just to get me to denver and colorado springs, (2 and 3 hours away) a few times
im not wanting to spend an extra $100-200 bucks on something i dont need.. as it is, $400 is gears for BOTH D60s.. well it can be
but i understand where your coming from
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So i went and looked at FOA.. $175 a shock, much better! I'll be getting 2 since i dont know how far behind the driverside shock is from breaking. The bilsteins from what i understand were 14.625" compressed and 19.125" extended, these are 14.25 and 20.25 so i think that will be fine... BUT as usual i ran into a problem.
The compression valve and rebound valve.. Do i need: zero, extra light, light, light/medium, medium or firm?
-Thanks
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The compression valve and rebound valve.. Do i need: zero, extra light, light, light/medium, medium or firm?
-Thanks
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Problem 2: F-O-A's 3" ID coils only go to up to 700 pounds in a 12" and 650 in a 14" or 16". You can check but I think the max rates for 3" Hypercoil and Eibach are even lower for those sizes.
Problem 3: Check your clearances. I question whether the 1/2" larger diameter F-O-A shocks and coils will fit using RCD's mounts.
Problem 4: Longer extended length will probably mean that you'll need limit straps to prevent CV bind and ball joint damage. Without straps, the UCA's could also hit the top of the frame rails at full extension.
Damping: Your mounting points and travel are roughly equivalent to my Bilstein 7100s and they are valved 360/80, the highest compression and rebound that Bilstein offers in a 2" shock. Maybe that will help as a reference. Beyond that, any good suspension shop should be able to recommend a good starting point for valving their shocks to your app.
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Problem 1: You probably can't run the coils from your 2" RCD's on the 2.5" F-O-A's - I assume that the RCD C/O's are using a 2.5 ID spring but you would need 3" id springs for the F-O-A's.
Problem 2: F-O-A's 3" ID coils only go to up to 700 pounds in a 12" and 650 in a 14" or 16". You can check but I think the max rates for 3" Hypercoil and Eibach are even lower for those sizes.
Problem 3: Check your clearances. I question whether the 1/2" larger diameter F-O-A shocks and coils will fit using RCD's mounts.
Problem 4: Longer extended length will probably mean that you'll need limit straps to prevent CV bind and ball joint damage. Without straps, the UCA's could also hit the top of the frame rails at full extension.
Damping: Your mounting points and travel are roughly equivalent to my Bilstein 7100s and they are valved 360/80, the highest compression and rebound that Bilstein offers in a 2" shock. Maybe that will help as a reference. Beyond that, any good suspension shop should be able to recommend a good starting point for valving their shocks to your app.
Problem 2: F-O-A's 3" ID coils only go to up to 700 pounds in a 12" and 650 in a 14" or 16". You can check but I think the max rates for 3" Hypercoil and Eibach are even lower for those sizes.
Problem 3: Check your clearances. I question whether the 1/2" larger diameter F-O-A shocks and coils will fit using RCD's mounts.
Problem 4: Longer extended length will probably mean that you'll need limit straps to prevent CV bind and ball joint damage. Without straps, the UCA's could also hit the top of the frame rails at full extension.
Damping: Your mounting points and travel are roughly equivalent to my Bilstein 7100s and they are valved 360/80, the highest compression and rebound that Bilstein offers in a 2" shock. Maybe that will help as a reference. Beyond that, any good suspension shop should be able to recommend a good starting point for valving their shocks to your app.
interesting for some reason i thought the RCD was 2.5" ? but maybe that was the coil number like you say.
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Is that shock body OD or spring ID?
If the RCD C/O's are 2.5" body, that should help with a conversion to F-O-A's. In there regular shock lines, Bilstein doesn't catalog any 2.5" shocks but some of the ultra expensive 9xxx series are available as 2.65" bodies. On the other hand, the RCD shocks are custom made for them by Bilstein so I guess anything's possible.
If the RCD C/O's are 2.5" body, that should help with a conversion to F-O-A's. In there regular shock lines, Bilstein doesn't catalog any 2.5" shocks but some of the ultra expensive 9xxx series are available as 2.65" bodies. On the other hand, the RCD shocks are custom made for them by Bilstein so I guess anything's possible.
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Besides that I HATE the way FOA does their valving... drives me nuts. What's "light" for me might be to heavy for somebody else... it's way odd... but I don't want to get into it with Chris again, so I'll shut up now.
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If you want to see the practice of valving a shock you can check out these...
Sway-A-Way
http://www.off-roadweb.com/tech/0705...lve/index.html
Fox
http://www.off-roadweb.com/tech/0804...bly/index.html
Bilstein
http://www.fourwheeler.com/techartic...ing/index.html
Don't think I have any King handy, but it's mostly the same.
Sway-A-Way
http://www.off-roadweb.com/tech/0705...lve/index.html
Fox
http://www.off-roadweb.com/tech/0804...bly/index.html
Bilstein
http://www.fourwheeler.com/techartic...ing/index.html
Don't think I have any King handy, but it's mostly the same.
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Also, think about whether you will have interference problems at the CV boots, etc. RCD coilovers use a strut on the bottom of the shock to position the spring up and away from the boot.
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PM me or IM me when you get the part numebr and I'll let you know