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Old 10-07-2015
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Icon2 CEL problem please help

am getting po171 and po174 codes
this is what I have done
1 replaced upper and lower intake gaskets
2 replaced all vac hoses
3 replaced TB
4 replaced IAC
4 replaced ccv elbow

Now my question is will o2 sensor cause this if so any ideas on which one there are 4 1-at each ex. manifold 1 before cat and 1 after cat
Any and all ideas are appreciated throw them my way very frustrated
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No on the O2's, it would mean both O2 sensors on each exhaust manifold would have to fail at the same time, so very very unlikely.

171 and 174 means the computer is opening the fuel injectors on each bank longer than it should have to based on the air volume figure from MAF(mass air flow) sensor.
In other words if the computers calculation was used it would be a "Lean" mix, so computer ignores its calculation and opens injectors longer until the O2 sensors confirm a "normal" burn.

So engine never runs Lean, the codes are just giving driver a heads up that the calculations are wrong.
That could be because of a vacuum leak, but it would have to be from an upper intake manifold leak to effect Both Banks.
It could also be from low fuel pressure, computer can't check fuel pressure, it bases its calculations on factory preset pressure, 1998 Ranger 3.0l should have 65psi pressure at rail.

MAF sensor is where it all starts, these need to be cleaned every 5 years or so depending on driving conditions.
Computer reads the MAF data and bases how much fuel should be added to the available air to get 14:1 air:fuel ratio
Computer opens each fuel injector for specific length of time to add the calculated amount of fuel to the available air
Air:fuel is then burned in the cylinder
O2 sensors can only detect Oxygen in the exhaust, not fuel, if there is not enough oxygen then engine is running Rich and computer reduces the open time of injectors.
If there is too much oxygen then it was a Lean burn so computer opens injectors longer.
This is an instantaneous change in injector open time, so engine never runs rich or lean.
If the open time for the injectors fall outside the preset window for a 3.0l engine with 65psi fuel pressure then computer will set a Lean or Rich code.

The rear O2 sensors are to determine if cat converter is working, they are also used for long term fuel trims, but wouldn't be involved with 171/174 codes.

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Old 10-08-2015
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just had fuel rail pressure checked it is 45 to 50lbs could this be causing po171 and po174 codes if so then first check is fuel filter replacement am I correct
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You should change filter every 5 years or so, and it could cause lower pressure but not likely without other symptoms, i.e. loss of power at highway speeds.

There are 2 fuel pressure specifications for 1998 3.0l Ranger
Not sure why this is?

Your 45-50psi shouldn't cause Lean codes with either, but pressure may drop more when engine is under load and that would cause Lean codes
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