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What are my options for headers i dont have the money for torque monsters.
Torque Monsters and FMS (obsolete) are the only ones that fit 98+ Rangers. For 97-back, there is more room and several companies sell special V8 swap headers. I would try James Duff, Advance Adapters and L&L.

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Alright does anyone know if long tubes will fit in there?
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Um... problem... all of the swap headers that I am aware of will not work with GT40P heads like the ones on the explorer engine. My 96 has the cast iron explorer manifolds with the external EGR blocked off (96-97 engines have internal EGR). They fit the frame and body just fine, but they do limit performance some. Also, like Bob said, you will need to have the explorer computer professionally re-tuned so that you won't get a half a million transmission trouble codes. They will need to delete all of those functions from your computer to work with the 5 speed. Im still not sure what you are going to do about a trans and still keep it 4x4... I would probably go with the 4.2L F-150 5 speed because it fits the ranger very well (same basic trans as your stock one), it will handle the power, and it uses the same style clutch. It will be very easy to get the trans in your truck. However, it will require you to use a fullsize T-case (unless Advance adapters offers something to hook up your stock t-case, but I think they do not). This will create some fitment issues, you may have to trim the drivers side frame rail some, or push the tail housing towards the pass side slightly and redrill your cross member. You will also need new drive shafts. Are you still sure you want a manual? It would be much easier to use the auto... (no tuning, no custom driveshafts if you use the AA kit) You can get a floor shifter that will work with the 4R70W, you would just need to wire up an external "OD Off" button since stock it is found at the end of the shifter. Plus, the Auto makes 4 wheeling easier as far as gearing. With the 5 speed you don't have any crawl ratio... the slip in the auto's torque converter helps with this. It makes it much easier to ease over stuff. This is all just my opinion, I have a 96 4x4 with the Explorer 5.0 (and 4R70W) and a straight axle, so basically very very similar to your truck... so I have credibility on this subject. I know what kind of problems you are going to run into, even though I din't do the engine swap in my truck.
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Do you have any links to the floor shift kits? I was going to go manual because thats what my truck is right now, is the 96-97 explorer egr the same setup as mine? Can i just block that stuff off so i dont have to deal with it.
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Um... problem... all of the swap headers that I am aware of will not work with GT40P heads like the ones on the explorer engine.
96 and early 97 MY Explorer 5.0's use the same GT40 heads as the Mustang Cobra and the swap headers should work fine with those.

Later in 97 MY, the 5.0's changed to the GT40P heads and these continued to end of 5.0 production in 2001. GT40P's have reangled plugs which can cause problems with some headers.

Sorry, I don't know the exact cutoff date for the GT40 heads. You can ID which head is on a 97 Ex 5.0 by looking at the head casting:
GT40's have three ridges cast into the end and "GT" cast into the side.
GT40P's have four ridges cast into the end and "GTP" cast into the side.
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Okay im going to the junk yard tomorrow to look and see what i can find.
1. Does anyone know where i can get a floor shifter for the 4R70W trans?
2. What all needs to be done to make a auto trans work in my truck thats manual now, if i get a floor shift then thats all i would need right?
3.Is the egr the same on my truck as the 96-97 explorers
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EGR is part of the engine, so it would come with your engine. Also, the new computer and wiring harness from the exploder would already be wired for the explorer EGR. It is irrelevent as to whether or not it is the same as the Ranger. And no, you cannot bypass it without having the computer reprogrammed. It will throw a code, guaranteed. My EGR valve was stuck and I kept getting insufficient EGR flow codes. As far as a shifter, since it only has 3 positions in the valvebody (OD, 2, 1), and the OD is truned off via a switch, just about any shifter from B&M or TCI, ect will work. You might have to modify the bracket a little, but it will still work with the 4R70W. It will require you to wire a switch to turn the overdrive off though if you think you will ever want to do that, but no big deal.
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EGR is part of the engine, so it would come with your engine. Also, the new computer and wiring harness from the exploder would already be wired for the explorer EGR. It is irrelevent as to whether or not it is the same as the Ranger. And no, you cannot bypass it without having the computer reprogrammed. It will throw a code, guaranteed. My EGR valve was stuck and I kept getting insufficient EGR flow codes. As far as a shifter, since it only has 3 positions in the valvebody (OD, 2, 1), and the OD is truned off via a switch, just about any shifter from B&M or TCI, ect will work. You might have to modify the bracket a little, but it will still work with the 4R70W. It will require you to wire a switch to turn the overdrive off though if you think you will ever want to do that, but no big deal.
Thanks, So do i really need to wire up the OD off switch the trans will still switch out of over drive if i dont correct?
Also i went to the local junk yard and they want $650 for a 5.0 out of a 97 explorer and they dont know how many miles are on it. They want $650 for F-150 manual trans And 350 for a BW 1356, those prices seamed a little high to me. I geuss I will start searching ebay and craigslist.
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Those prices are way high... as far as your OD, the transmission will still shift properly if you don't have the switch wired up, but you won't be able to tell the trans to not shift into OD. This comes in handy if you are towing or hauling a heavty load and want the trans to run in 3rd instead of OD (4th). Without the switch it will always shift up to OD whern the correct speed is hit, and if it senses too heavy of a pull it will downshift, and then shift back up, then downshift, ect... This up and down shifting will cause the trans to get hot and ultimately burn up... But this is only an issue if you are towing or hauling. But like I said, you might as well hook it up, even if you hardly ever use it, the hookup isn't hard.
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Okay thats what i thought thanks man. So if i went with the 4R70W is there anything special that has to be done to the column and is there any other wiring issues i will run into seings as my truck is a manual now i would like to run a floor shift cause i have never really liked column shifts and then i wont have to mess with the column either.
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku Summit shows this as it will fit the AODE out of a 94-04 mustang and the same year for a 4R70W anyone know if the stang 4R70W is the same as the explorer? Does anyone have first hand experiance installing a ratchet shifter and how does it work on the trans?

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That shifter will work just fine. You will however need to get the factory Mustang shift cable and cable bracket since that one is designed to work with them. Ratchet shifters are pretty easy to install, the hardest part is trimming the bezel to fit the floor. With that shifter, your stock column should work just fine. You will just have the extra plug for the OD Off switch that would be located in the shifter on the column. These are the wires you will need to hook up to your switch.

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Cool thanks so couldnt i just use a stock shifter cable and get a cheap B&M shifter and hook it up or does it depend on how i hooks to the shifter
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You should be able to use just about any shifter, most come with a cable. That one just deost because it is designed to work with a stock Mustang one. That shifter is a direct replacement for the mustang shifter, and fits the stock console apparently. How ever, it also states that it comes with a universal bezel. But a stock Ranger/Explorer cable may or may not work... I don't know how the end is made compared to a Mustang one. But I would also guess that a stock cable would not work with most other shifters.
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Thanks ya i think ill be able to figure it out with the help of my dad.
Thats a sweet rig you got there whats the specs?
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Um... well, its a 96. It has a bone stock 98 explorer 5.0 in it, being run by a 96 computer and wiring harness. It has the explorer 4R70W trans with an advance adapter that mates the ranger 1354 t-case to it. It has the explorer 8.8 rear with 31 spline axles and disc brakes. The front axle is a Dana 30 from a cherokee. It has the 760X U-joints, but stock shafts. Both axles are stuffed with 4.56 gears and Auburn ECTED lockers. The front suspension consists of Jeep coils (don't know the lift amount on them), 3' Long DOM links with 7/8" Heims and super-high misalignment bushings. It has about 7 inches of lift overall. It has DOM rock sliders that run all down the side. All of the interior is basically explorer, it has the overhead and center consols. It has the fuel mileage computer/data center. It has power leather seats, white face SVT gauges, and even the digital climate control. Lol, basically an explorer in a ranger body...
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I just got a manual and an automatic trans out of an f-150 the auto is out of a 93 f-150 with the t-case and shifters all attached it had a 302 motor What kind of trans would that be? The manual is out of a I6 will that bolt to the 302 it looks like it will and also will the tail shafts swap between the two so i can make the manual work with the t-case?
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My guess is that the 93 auto trans is an E4OD. Clean it up a little and look for a tag. If that doesn't work, an internet search will probably get you some comparison pictures. Other possibles in those years might be the AOD and the AODEW.

The 302/351W V8s and the 300 (4.9L) I6 and the 4.2L V6 used in the F-series all have the same bellhousing bolt pattern.

I seriously doubt that you can use the extension housing from the auto on the manual. Besides, a 4x2 to 4x4 conversion usually also requires swapping the output shaft and that definitely won't work between auto and manual.

I'd go looking for a 4x4 manual transmission from a 4.2/4.9/5.0/5.8 instead. That should bolt right up to the 93 T-case which is probably a BW 1356. Rumor has it that the 97~2003 4.2L M5ODR2 manual has a better shifter position in a Ranger.

Check to see what kind of speedometer arrangement was used on the donor and compare it to the VSS signal generator setup on your 95 Ranger. Speedometer compatibility is sometimes simple but it can also be a real headache, depending on the combination of donor and project.
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Well i havent posted in a while but i think its time to start collecting parts.
I was looking at this http://www.summitracing.com/parts/TFS-K514-350-370 kit from trick flow it has about everything i want to do to the motor besides .10 over and new pistons/rings.
I was wondering if the mustang 302's and the explorer 302's were the same so i basically want to know if this kit will bolt on an explorer?
What are the main differences between the expo and stang 302's
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There is a 96 explorer for sale it has the 5.0 automatic trans 4x4 the guy want $850 i think it would be a good buy what do you guys think? It says its a high mile car i tried to call him but no answer. Ill try again later but what do you guys think?
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Got motor and trans

Just picked up a 96 expo with the 5.0 and auto trans with it for 550 im hoping to get the motor and trans out on sunday ill get some pics soon.
When i pull the motor and trans the only thing i need to save is the engine wiring harness corect?
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Keep the entire explorer until your engine is in and running, because there will be smaller things you will want to use from the explorer, like the A/C stuff for example, if you choose to do that. But if not, its always safer to keep the donor vehicle until the swap is complete.
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Thats what i was thinking also.
Will stock roller lifters work in the explorer block? Like these.Trick Flow Specialties TFS-21400004 - Trick Flow® Hydraulic Roller Lifters - Overview - SummitRacing.com
Or would i need something like these http://www.summitracing.com/parts/TFS-21400006/ Also the expo motor is coil on plug correct? So when i use the trick flow intake i can run a regular dizzy/coil and ignition
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That engine kit should work just fine with the explorer wiring and computer, but I didn't see any specs on the cam... you might have to have it tuned to run correctly, but it will work. Since your's is the early style frame like mine, using those heads will allow you to use almost any aftermarket headers for the V8 swap. The explorer engine is a factory roller cam engine, so if that kit doesn't come with new ones, you can re-use your factory ones. They don't get a wear pattern like a flat tappet cam. You will have to keep the coil packs and cam sensor set-up to use the explorer wiring, but this is a more efficient design and makes for a better combustion.
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