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Got it back, and got it ready to pull out. FML, can't believe I just typed that.



Anyway, this is what I found in the oil screen under the cooler. If someone can figure out WTF the black chit is, please let me and the rest of the world know, its everywhere. I know what the Copper is.


Its very soft, almost feels like paper, but has the consistency of graphite.

The guy that built the motor has been building Race motors exclusively for 25+ years, and Everyone will point you to him for a motor. He built my boat motors, and builds Nitromethane, alcohol, turbo motors, blower motors, etc. (he used to build Don Garlitts motors FWIW). He knows his chit is what I am getting at. He has not had a chance to look at it yet, but will Monday. I'm just plane baffled, but clearly I am looking at a complete tear down, a ton of cleaning, new injectors, and at the very least, new bearings for the motor, and rebuilding both turbos. I want it done yesterday, and I certainly want it by TS, (the new one). Given the fact that the oil has to pass through that Screen to fire the injectors, and it was literally clogged solid, we were not getting the full power out of it.

Oh well, it is what it is, but that doesn't make it suck any less.
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so that is the screen that (i am assuming) is the week link in the 6.0 right? 6.0s are kinda forign to me.... the only thing i can think of is crap from your oil or filter... what oil are you running? rotella/dello or somthing else?
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Valvoline premium blue. Filter has just a touch in it. No that screen is to keep crap out of the High pressure pump......it didn't obviously, as it was so caked it pushed through the screen.
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im sure not but you on a stock pump? not that it matters a ton
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what type of assembly lube did you use? i would say one of the following : if thats a seasoned block, it could have come from oil passages from not getting cleaned good enough, u said you had the bearings coated? what about the pistons and such? it may be that the coating that was used isnt rated for a diesel powerplant? maybe if you used moly assembly lube, it had some type of reaction with the fuel and the coatings? that looks like a screen from an engine that has 250k miles on it...
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egr deleted?
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im sure not but you on a stock pump? not that it matters a ton
Stock Low pressure pump, Yes, not a stock High pressure pump. I had 40+ PSI of oil at Idle, and 70 at 1500RPM's. Brand new fresh oil.
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egr deleted?
I can't even spell EGR. LOL
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what type of assembly lube did you use? i would say one of the following : if thats a seasoned block, it could have come from oil passages from not getting cleaned good enough, u said you had the bearings coated? what about the pistons and such? it may be that the coating that was used isnt rated for a diesel powerplant? maybe if you used moly assembly lube, it had some type of reaction with the fuel and the coatings? that looks like a screen from an engine that has 250k miles on it...
It was clean, no doubt. The Coatings were done by Polydyn, and they do a ton of diesels. I am pretty sure when I pull the bed plate off its gonna all be gone of the bearings, and skirts. If that's the case, myself and Polydyn are gonna have a few words. This motor was solid, something is just not right with that crap.
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ya know may be check with the guys at wide open performance. im sure they have ran into some kinda similar issue.

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It was clean, no doubt. The Coatings were done by Polydyn, and they do a ton of diesels. I am pretty sure when I pull the bed plate off its gonna all be gone of the bearings, and skirts. If that's the case, myself and Polydyn are gonna have a few words. This motor was solid, something is just not right with that crap.
in that case, i would be willing to bet 100% thats just the coating from the bearings... it may not be polydyn's fault. i know you say this engine builder is top notch, but anyone can make a mistake... thats a lot of trash to come from just one bearing and im sure if it did spin a bearing, you would have known before the fuel delivery problem... there is only one way to find out for sure though...... hate it for ya man! its all part of the game though.
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First, Trusted Performance had nothing to do with my problem. Their oil filter relocation kit worked as advertised, unfortunately, they were given a bad Filter by the company that they bought their filters from. Their kit fit the way it was supposed to, and the part that they had to do with had nothing to do with the destruction of my motor. The filter that was on it somehow came apart. The black crud we found throughout the motor is in fact the filter media that came apart inside the motor. I found chunks of it all over the place, and a large part of it was missing from the filter. When I tore into the filter, I thought I had hit it with the blade I used to cut the metal outer casing. It turns out, I had not. The reason it wasn't filtering is because it had come apart in a section you could put your finger through. Why????? I cannot say, but when I called Trusted they got on the phone and contacted the manufacturer, and they are getting with me tomorrow. so a simple oil filter has destroyed 20K worth of motor, turbo's and injectors, not to mention the time that was put into it. I still don't have it tore down all the way, and I am gonna wait till I get finished talking with the oil filter company. I will not use their name just yet for legal reasons.

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First, Trusted Performance had nothing to do with my problem. Their oil filter relocation kit worked as advertised, unfortunately, they were given a bad Filter by the company that they bought their filters from. Their kit fit the way it was supposed to, and the part that they had to do with had nothing to do with the destruction of my motor. The filter that was on it somehow came apart. The black crud we found throughout the motor is in fact the filter media that came apart inside the motor. I found chunks of it all over the place, and a large part of it was missing from the filter. When I tore into the filter, I thought I had hit it with the blade I used to cut the metal outer casing. It turns out, I had not. The reason it wasn't filtering is because it had come apart in a section you could put your finger through. Why????? I cannot say, but when I called Trusted they got on the phone and contacted the manufacturer, and they are getting with me tomorrow. so a simple oil filter has destroyed 20K worth of motor, turbo's and injectors, not to mention the time that was put into it. I still don't have it tore down all the way, and I am gonna wait till I get finished talking with the oil filter company. I will not use their name just yet for legal reasons.

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im sure it hasnt caused them any hardship. that sucks. can the injectors not be disassembled and cleaned? the turbos are rebuildable(as im sure you know), but it still sucks! good luck with everything, things will work out for your advantage in the end! all of this will make you appreciate the final numbers even more!
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I am sponsored by Borg/Warner airwerks. I made one call, and they said, no problem we will send you two new ones. Then he asked me if I wanted to go bigger..........I said, hell yeah, why not. The injectors are out and on their way to Ryan Casserly at Full force injectors. He wanted to make them bigger all along anyway, so I guess we will be adding a little more fuel and air to it. LOL
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That brings the suck!

Good luck getting it all figured out.
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that really sucks, but you will appreciate it that much more when you get it together.
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That sucks man... but bigger is better, right?
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Glad to hear that you have good sponsors!! Hopefully things will pan out in a good way with the filter company!!! Sucks that something so simple caused such destruction!
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iin the pics i alomst thought filter...but really how often does that happen... at least your getting hooked up by your sponsors. hopfully that company will get you straight and out on the track again
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they offered me a new filter and said thats all their warranty offers. I am on my way to talk with a product liability attorney when I finish my "hot pocket" meal. Its been made clear I am on my own with this as well.
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they offered me a new filter and said thats all their warranty offers. I am on my way to talk with a product liability attorney when I finish my "hot pocket" meal. Its been made clear I am on my own with this as well.

you are on your own with ur hot pocket meal?

wix? please tell me it isnt wix!
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was it a FRAM?

I heard about these breaking down in rotary forums when I used to have an rx-7, which is why I never put fram on any car I work on.
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was it a FRAM?

I heard about these breaking down in rotary forums when I used to have an rx-7, which is why I never put fram on any car I work on.
i would hope he has more sense than that
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i would hope he has more sense than that
why is it already known and I'm late?
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Sorry about everything with the truck. I hope you get it straight soon. And I think I heard which company it was, but I would rather Tim say if he wants to...
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