New Generation of V8 Swappers
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thanks dirty but most of us already know that. this is a thread for people on THIS forum who are looking to do it and we want to make our own write ups. On RPS they have great information, just not great organized information for the new generation v8 people.
Turnone82, You know you dont have to do every write up for every aspect. Do write ups for the parts you think you confuse or be hard for most people. Also when more and more people do it they can add write ups for other parts as well. Then we can combine all the write ups, that is why the rps guys do with the older information.
Turnone82, You know you dont have to do every write up for every aspect. Do write ups for the parts you think you confuse or be hard for most people. Also when more and more people do it they can add write ups for other parts as well. Then we can combine all the write ups, that is why the rps guys do with the older information.
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Originally Posted by dirty
who cares about emissions
*I* care. I hunt, I enjoy the great outdoors. I'm a poluter, not denying the fact I put a lot of toxins into our atmosphere.. But I do it legally.
You will find MANY people are ' green ' types.. treehuggers so to say. They are VERY educated and have a good lobby in Washington funded by BILLIONS of dolars. They have thrown out the Lumber industry, shutdown parts of the Coal industry and have had a HUGE impact on drilling in ANWR Alaska.
Digging/Cutting for new forms of fossil fuel has been blocked by these people. They have a LOT of clout.
Be educated and think about what your saying, ' who ' cares, MILLIONS do!
D.
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We are not talking about special interest groups. The only way this thread will go in the direction of who can do what 'Legally' in thier state. So to be completly honest, D, your post is way off topic.
If you want to be helpful with emissions how bout explains to them what can be done legally. I am in the process of trying to find out information on different states.
Thanks
If you want to be helpful with emissions how bout explains to them what can be done legally. I am in the process of trying to find out information on different states.
Thanks
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My dilema and how to put a V8 in New York.
New York uses California CARB standards. Its by block casting. Crate motors can be installed IF it was offered in said year.
Example :
A 4.6L sohc mod motor was offered in a mustang in 2003. I CAN install this engine so long as it has ALL of its proper emissions equipment ( Cats, EGR... Fuel systems.. ). I CANNOT install a 302 or pushrod engine.
If a Crate motoe from ARP/Summit or another company was offered just yesterday, and it wasnt an OEM offered engine ( Like a 302 ), I CANNOT install it. Even though the year is even newer then my truck, its illegal.
For Cali and NYS, the ONLY v8 option ( legally ) for our trucks is a mod motor ( for 2001+ vehicals that is ) .
Its QUITE possible and I'm sure it WILL be done, but its impractical for most.
D.
New York uses California CARB standards. Its by block casting. Crate motors can be installed IF it was offered in said year.
Example :
A 4.6L sohc mod motor was offered in a mustang in 2003. I CAN install this engine so long as it has ALL of its proper emissions equipment ( Cats, EGR... Fuel systems.. ). I CANNOT install a 302 or pushrod engine.
If a Crate motoe from ARP/Summit or another company was offered just yesterday, and it wasnt an OEM offered engine ( Like a 302 ), I CANNOT install it. Even though the year is even newer then my truck, its illegal.
For Cali and NYS, the ONLY v8 option ( legally ) for our trucks is a mod motor ( for 2001+ vehicals that is ) .
Its QUITE possible and I'm sure it WILL be done, but its impractical for most.
D.
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Originally Posted by GregsEdge
We are not talking about special interest groups. The only way this thread will go in the direction of who can do what 'Legally' in thier state. So to be completly honest, D, your post is way off topic.
If you want to be helpful with emissions how bout explains to them what can be done legally. I am in the process of trying to find out information on different states.
Thanks
If you want to be helpful with emissions how bout explains to them what can be done legally. I am in the process of trying to find out information on different states.
Thanks
I know of all the refrences and info needed for New York ( which should apply to Cali as well ) .
Legally, as it sits, its different under every state with the acceptions of Cali and NYS adopting the SAME policy. I know in areas of PA, theres different standards, IN THE SAME STATE!
CARB is leading the way, backed by the EPA and other ' hugger ' associations. The ' Clean Air Act ' is also another good source which points to certian ' percentages ' of where the standards are, where they ' want ' them to be and what to look for in the future .
I don't think my post is off topic, but it is literate.
D.
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D thats not exactly what i meant when i made that post. i dont care about emissions because my truck for the most part will be a trailer queen. i hunt, fish, and go sit in the woods just to watch nature as well im all for the emission testing and all but i dont care about them on my ranger since it will be on the trailer most of the time.
greg
i heard at one time (dont know how true it is) but if you use a 302 doesnt matter what year motor as long as the emissions stuff that came on the ranger was there on the 302 then you were in good shape.
as far as the x 302 from what ive read just swap the motor mounts slide in the motor and then splice some in the harness and comp. i dont know any details on the swap but thats the jist of it.
greg
i heard at one time (dont know how true it is) but if you use a 302 doesnt matter what year motor as long as the emissions stuff that came on the ranger was there on the 302 then you were in good shape.
as far as the x 302 from what ive read just swap the motor mounts slide in the motor and then splice some in the harness and comp. i dont know any details on the swap but thats the jist of it.
#32
10-05-2005
D. How I see it is to emissions is this.
The most important thing to people is whether they can get past emissions without a very high risk of being caught.
For example, in my city there are no I/M laws (for emissions) but up north where they have pollution there are laws. So should I comply to the overall I/M laws which aren't required in my city but are required at a state level and everywhere else in the state? No. My vehicle with a 302 doesn't pollute more than an explorer with a 302. It's not like I just hooked up a coal burning engine to my truck and am trying to use it.
Simply, the 302 in my truck wouldn't be hurting any worse than most other trucks on the road.
As to EFI vs. carbed? I personally like EFI for the many benefits but if Joe Schmoe wants to do carbed I personally don't see it hurting much. Let's say dirty is gonna run his 302 carbed. Do you think he's going to buy a brand new 302 carberatur? Well, possibly...but most likely he's going to get a carbed 302. Off of a running car too. So it's not like he *added to emissions* he simply moved the pollution from one vehicle to another.
Aaron
The most important thing to people is whether they can get past emissions without a very high risk of being caught.
For example, in my city there are no I/M laws (for emissions) but up north where they have pollution there are laws. So should I comply to the overall I/M laws which aren't required in my city but are required at a state level and everywhere else in the state? No. My vehicle with a 302 doesn't pollute more than an explorer with a 302. It's not like I just hooked up a coal burning engine to my truck and am trying to use it.
Simply, the 302 in my truck wouldn't be hurting any worse than most other trucks on the road.
As to EFI vs. carbed? I personally like EFI for the many benefits but if Joe Schmoe wants to do carbed I personally don't see it hurting much. Let's say dirty is gonna run his 302 carbed. Do you think he's going to buy a brand new 302 carberatur? Well, possibly...but most likely he's going to get a carbed 302. Off of a running car too. So it's not like he *added to emissions* he simply moved the pollution from one vehicle to another.
Aaron
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[QUOTE=Red_Ak_Ranger]D. How I see it is to emissions is this.
The most important thing to people is whether they can get past emissions without a very high risk of being caught.
This is why I state to look into future legislation. What good is it to do a swap today and find out the grandfathering effect backdates to years before your vehical. If we elect a ' happy green ' president like Ralph Nader, you can bet your vehical will be hedding to a crusher if it doesn;t put out less the factory emissions from that tailpipe, reguardless of whats been done to it.
Agreed. I personally feel the whole planet needs to go to the same standards or theres not much of a point in having them. We share the same atmosphere as China, the Earth spins..
Unfortunatly, I don't have a pen to legalise mega-inch engines into any vehical we wanted.
D.
The most important thing to people is whether they can get past emissions without a very high risk of being caught.
Originally Posted by Red_Ak_Ranger
For example, in my city there are no I/M laws (for emissions) but up north where they have pollution there are laws. So should I comply to the overall I/M laws which aren't required in my city but are required at a state level and everywhere else in the state? .
Originally Posted by Red_Ak_Ranger
No. My vehicle with a 302 doesn't pollute more than an explorer with a 302. It's not like I just hooked up a coal burning engine to my truck and am trying to use it.
Simply, the 302 in my truck wouldn't be hurting any worse than most other trucks on the road. .
Simply, the 302 in my truck wouldn't be hurting any worse than most other trucks on the road. .
Unfortunatly, I don't have a pen to legalise mega-inch engines into any vehical we wanted.
D.
#35
10-14-2005
1) I am planning the 5.0L EFI swap on my 84' Ranger if someone wants to give me to hard of a time with emissions I'll just reinstall the well worn 2.8L V6 W/ Holley 390CFM double-pumper, heads back dual exhaust (sans cats) that runs like crap and then let them sniff my exhaust (and loose a few more brain cells, not like they'll miss them). Then they will be begging me to put the 5.0 back in.
2) I don't care who he thinks he is ain't anybody gonna send my truck to the crusher.
3) Here in GA we have no real emissions testing, I have heard that they do a little in Atlanta but I'm not sure what the deal is there. I am going to check to see what our state code says, and will post it here when I find something.
-Josh
2) I don't care who he thinks he is ain't anybody gonna send my truck to the crusher.
3) Here in GA we have no real emissions testing, I have heard that they do a little in Atlanta but I'm not sure what the deal is there. I am going to check to see what our state code says, and will post it here when I find something.
-Josh
#38
10-14-2005
Originally Posted by tmsoko
Do the V8 swap in your 99. You will be much happier and it will be just as easy, if not easier. Pick up an explorer V8 wreck for $1000 and you are all set!
-Josh
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back in the day when daniel was 3 years old i had a 83 ranger 4x2 xls
it had a carb'd 5.0, mustang T5 trans, 7.5 3.73 locker
i had a trailmaster 4 inch "beam" lift it was crazy looking, a 3 inch body lift and 30 inch tires. it was a cool truck.
all swap parts came from advance adaptors, mounts, radiator, headers.
it had a carb'd 5.0, mustang T5 trans, 7.5 3.73 locker
i had a trailmaster 4 inch "beam" lift it was crazy looking, a 3 inch body lift and 30 inch tires. it was a cool truck.
all swap parts came from advance adaptors, mounts, radiator, headers.
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#41
10-14-2005
Originally Posted by wanted
Federal Law > State law.
and i am not bullsh*ting. if for the fact that my truck wasnt my DD and i had something else to drive while it was down this thing under the ford box that is hiding in the corner of my garage would be in my truck as i type. if i keep my truck when i get a new vehical in a few year this will find its new home resting between my lovely silver fenders....
I already have almost all the parts to finish it. it needs the cylinders rebored and i need to buy a simple rebuild kit and a new EFI intake manifold. also looking into a t-5 trans....thinking of getting a whole new brain box for it also...
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Originally Posted by wanted
Federal Law > State law.
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here in michigan you can do pretty much whatever you want. there is no "federal" law forbiding you from installing a different motor in your truck.
if i wanted to i could drop a powerstroke diesel in my ranger, a dodge hemi, vortec chevy, mazda/probe V6.
if there was this fantasy law you speak of there would be a lot of people in prison and all of your favorit TV shows would not be on the air.
if i wanted to i could drop a powerstroke diesel in my ranger, a dodge hemi, vortec chevy, mazda/probe V6.
if there was this fantasy law you speak of there would be a lot of people in prison and all of your favorit TV shows would not be on the air.
#45
10-15-2005
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You might get away with it. Who knows. It is still against federal law. Right next to tampering with the emissions equipment.
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Wow lots of stuff going on here. As for engine versus year of truck the engine isn't the factor they are really looking for but the emissions components and a PCM with the latest calibration. My '98 has a '93 Mustang block, Summit racing guts, 2000 Explorer dressing and a '99 PCM. I also have a 3 stage cat on both banks of my Y Pipe plus a honking big Magnaflow muffler. My truck would pass a sniffer test no problem.
D, you need to speak with tony on RPS. He's in New York as well and passed with his wicked setup. He can be a great source of information.
D, you need to speak with tony on RPS. He's in New York as well and passed with his wicked setup. He can be a great source of information.
#47
10-26-2005
Yo Brian buddy you got a transmission you want to send me, oh come on you know you don't want that 3550.
Do you have pics of the install of that thing, and the slave cylinder setup. Any info on how to go about installing one, and where to get one for a good price. I am planning to go back to 5-speed with one of those in a few years.
-Josh
Do you have pics of the install of that thing, and the slave cylinder setup. Any info on how to go about installing one, and where to get one for a good price. I am planning to go back to 5-speed with one of those in a few years.
-Josh
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I think we met before Brian, at one of the Michigan meets this past summer.
I'm trying to do things ' by the book ' legal. Erie County N.Y. is adopting sniffers in 2006. The equipment was already purchased from New Jersey. A LOT of the local clubs are upset about it.
The ' Federal Law ' that someone mentioned ( I spoke out stating to watch for future ones and electing green people because of it ) does NOT *presently* exist. The Feds HAVE been pushing for lower emissions across ALL fossil fuel vehicals for the last decade.
New Your has a ' grandfathering law '. I once owned a v8 1984 reg cab ranger. The cutoff was 1987 model year when all vehicals in NYS requires a Cat-Converter. Some people realised they could still swap in a v8 with the v8's emission systems. To prevent such from happening, they modified the state law a few times and eventually threw it all out and adopted C.A.R.B. .
I don't exactly know what Tony is doing to ' get by ' but if I *could* get away with it here in Erie County where they plan on implimenting ' sniffers ', It might be worth it.. But with 2 ' Green ' Senators in Washongtom ( Hillary and Schumer ) and NYC running the state.. its not worth the effort/risk. Its best to go by what C.A.R.B. dictates ( for now ) .
I'm trying to do things ' by the book ' legal. Erie County N.Y. is adopting sniffers in 2006. The equipment was already purchased from New Jersey. A LOT of the local clubs are upset about it.
The ' Federal Law ' that someone mentioned ( I spoke out stating to watch for future ones and electing green people because of it ) does NOT *presently* exist. The Feds HAVE been pushing for lower emissions across ALL fossil fuel vehicals for the last decade.
New Your has a ' grandfathering law '. I once owned a v8 1984 reg cab ranger. The cutoff was 1987 model year when all vehicals in NYS requires a Cat-Converter. Some people realised they could still swap in a v8 with the v8's emission systems. To prevent such from happening, they modified the state law a few times and eventually threw it all out and adopted C.A.R.B. .
I don't exactly know what Tony is doing to ' get by ' but if I *could* get away with it here in Erie County where they plan on implimenting ' sniffers ', It might be worth it.. But with 2 ' Green ' Senators in Washongtom ( Hillary and Schumer ) and NYC running the state.. its not worth the effort/risk. Its best to go by what C.A.R.B. dictates ( for now ) .
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