Instrument Light Problems
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Instrument Light Problems
Couple months back I noticed that my instrument lights didn't come on when I turned on the headlights. Thought it was the bulbs, got no where with that. Checked fuses and found nothing. I have gone all the way to getting a "new" instrument cluster, headlight switch and dimmer switch from the local junkyard thinking that it would help! Nothing seems to change! Today I had the lights on while running around checking voltages and noticed that the damn running lights in the back are also not on!
Any day where to start? I have the dash all torn open right now and can get at anything I need and have a voltmeter.
Thanks for the help!
P.S. It is a 2004 Ford Ranger with the 4.0L engine, 5 speed transmission, and the old owner obviously changed the instrument cluster before (it had the designators for an automatic).
Any day where to start? I have the dash all torn open right now and can get at anything I need and have a voltmeter.
Thanks for the help!
P.S. It is a 2004 Ford Ranger with the 4.0L engine, 5 speed transmission, and the old owner obviously changed the instrument cluster before (it had the designators for an automatic).
#2
There is a Park light relay inside the SJB(smart junction box), its the cab fuse box unit, behind kick panel
SJB is the body computer, replaced the GEM
When you turn on the light switch the Park Light relay should close and that sends 12v to the dimmer and parking lights(all 4) plus license plate lights
Fuse 31 powers relay and all these lights
Sub fuse 1 powers dimmer wheel from fuse 31
The park light relay is embedded in the SJB not a serviceable part, but maybe its just some corroded wires on an SJB connector, a common issue
Article here with pictures of the SJB: https://www.therangerstation.com/tec...horn_mod.shtml
This is just so you know what the SJB is
The connectors have levers that you pull back and that lifts them away from the slot
The dimmer power and rear parking light power use connector 2280C
Front park lights use connector 2280A
So if front park lights are working then Parking light Relay is OK, its most likely connector 2280C has some corrosion
Connectors labelled here: https://www.2carpros.com/images/ques...7/original.jpg
The relays on the front of the SJB may or may not be there, they were used on some models but usually not on Rangers
SJB is the body computer, replaced the GEM
When you turn on the light switch the Park Light relay should close and that sends 12v to the dimmer and parking lights(all 4) plus license plate lights
Fuse 31 powers relay and all these lights
Sub fuse 1 powers dimmer wheel from fuse 31
The park light relay is embedded in the SJB not a serviceable part, but maybe its just some corroded wires on an SJB connector, a common issue
Article here with pictures of the SJB: https://www.therangerstation.com/tec...horn_mod.shtml
This is just so you know what the SJB is
The connectors have levers that you pull back and that lifts them away from the slot
The dimmer power and rear parking light power use connector 2280C
Front park lights use connector 2280A
So if front park lights are working then Parking light Relay is OK, its most likely connector 2280C has some corrosion
Connectors labelled here: https://www.2carpros.com/images/ques...7/original.jpg
The relays on the front of the SJB may or may not be there, they were used on some models but usually not on Rangers
#3
Thanks for that! I took the SBJ out and found some corroded connections where you suggested to look. Cleaned them up (and found a faulty fuse connection for something unrelated) and reinstalled but still have nothing. I initially forget to disconnect the battery when I did this, but quickly stopped and went and made sure I had no power. I found no blown fuses on that fuse box, but continue to have no luck with the lights! Is there anything else you can suggest checking? Is there a way to test for a bad SBJ? Also do you know where to buy one if it is bad? Thanks!
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No, not at night anyway, lol
Below is the diagram for the park light relay
The relay has 12volts all the time from fuse 31
The main light switch GROUNDS the park light relay to activate it, using the white/black stripe wire on C2280D
If you were to Ground that white/black wire with a jumper, at main light switch or SJB you should hear the park light relay click inside the SJB
The white/black wire should also show 12volts if tested with Volt meter, at main light switch or SJB connector, all the time
Diagram 2 is the one with park light relay
You can replace SJB from a 2004 and up Ranger with the same options, i.e. power windows/door locks
Below is the diagram for the park light relay
The relay has 12volts all the time from fuse 31
The main light switch GROUNDS the park light relay to activate it, using the white/black stripe wire on C2280D
If you were to Ground that white/black wire with a jumper, at main light switch or SJB you should hear the park light relay click inside the SJB
The white/black wire should also show 12volts if tested with Volt meter, at main light switch or SJB connector, all the time
Diagram 2 is the one with park light relay
You can replace SJB from a 2004 and up Ranger with the same options, i.e. power windows/door locks
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#8
Did you try grounding that white/black wire to get relay to click, it could be main light switch ground is bad
White/black wire is not a "live" 12v wire, the voltage you see is passing thru the relays coil, so its not a short when grounded
And when grounded the park lights and instrument lights should come on so have a look
Wrecking yard
Try car-part.com
2004
Ford Ranger
Part is "computer box NOT engine"
Then select your area
Then select "multifunction, (RH kick panel)............."<<and with or without keyless entry, which ever you have
Then search
They run about $50-$60 in my area, they are light as well so don't cost that much to ship
Also see if it has Power window/locks, not sure if all SJBs are the same for that
White/black wire is not a "live" 12v wire, the voltage you see is passing thru the relays coil, so its not a short when grounded
And when grounded the park lights and instrument lights should come on so have a look
Wrecking yard
Try car-part.com
2004
Ford Ranger
Part is "computer box NOT engine"
Then select your area
Then select "multifunction, (RH kick panel)............."<<and with or without keyless entry, which ever you have
Then search
They run about $50-$60 in my area, they are light as well so don't cost that much to ship
Also see if it has Power window/locks, not sure if all SJBs are the same for that
Last edited by RonD; 10-12-2020 at 12:19 PM.
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Ok so I played around with the SJB some more and found that a fuse had blown out since I last went through the fuse box (pre-cleaning the SJB connectors). It was fuse 31 (parking lamps). So I replace the fuse and it promptly blows out. I put a 25 A fuse in instead and that seems to work, but the rear park lamps are awfully dim. I am guessing I probably have some sort of grounding issues and/or those connectors still need some cleaning. Still, at least I finally have dash lights!
Thank you so much for your help! It really was a god send to have someone to tell me to even look at the SJB more.
Thank you so much for your help! It really was a god send to have someone to tell me to even look at the SJB more.
#12
NEVER replace a fuse with a higher rated fuse
#13
Since you know about the connectors on the SJB now, you could pull the one connector that feeds 12v to rear park lights and also the other connector that feeds the front park lights
rear park light wire also powers license plate lights, which can corrode
Before starting pull fuse 31, then test with volt meter to see which "leg" is 12volt and which "leg" is LOAD(not 12v)
You can hook an OHM meter to the LOAD leg and then to a Ground, should see LOW ohms, a short, under 5 ohms
Then unplug connectors, or you can unplug bulbs if you have a suspect, when ohms go higher then short has been removed
Some people add trailer connector wiring to existing systems, these connection can corrode, so maybe have a look if there is a trailer wire connector, follow it back to the splices
Park light are rated as 8watts, so at 12volt that should be 18ohms
brake light/turn is 27watts so 6ohms, but isn't on this circuit
rear park light wire also powers license plate lights, which can corrode
Before starting pull fuse 31, then test with volt meter to see which "leg" is 12volt and which "leg" is LOAD(not 12v)
You can hook an OHM meter to the LOAD leg and then to a Ground, should see LOW ohms, a short, under 5 ohms
Then unplug connectors, or you can unplug bulbs if you have a suspect, when ohms go higher then short has been removed
Some people add trailer connector wiring to existing systems, these connection can corrode, so maybe have a look if there is a trailer wire connector, follow it back to the splices
Park light are rated as 8watts, so at 12volt that should be 18ohms
brake light/turn is 27watts so 6ohms, but isn't on this circuit
Last edited by RonD; 10-13-2020 at 09:28 PM.
#14
Yeah I know replacing a fuse with a higher rated one is bad news. It was actually just the last fuse I had left and I wanted to see if it would pop again!
Testing the resistance from the LOAD leg of fuse 31 to the ground on the SJB gets me ~700 ohms. Not good news! Now to test the lights and see if I can find a corroded wire somewhere.
Testing the resistance from the LOAD leg of fuse 31 to the ground on the SJB gets me ~700 ohms. Not good news! Now to test the lights and see if I can find a corroded wire somewhere.
#15
Fully fixed! The license plate bulb connector had been replaced at some point and it was not done very well... The ends were rubbing on each intermittently and heating up. Thank you so much for your help! Cleaning the SJB (even if it wasn't the main problem) was a good thing and it made the lights much brighter.
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