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Good to know. Just adds another thing to the long list of things to do.
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Ok so if I went an Efan what one would be best? Im sort of worried bout the tranny temps you guys are posting. I figure money wouldnt be an issue I can save and wait a few months to buy.
Honestly.. You can plagerise me in saying this.. ' Nothing exceeds like excessiveness '.

You CAN add a ' Tranny Cooler '. They are simple, small and can have their own designated cooling fan.

Again, *IF* I had an awefulmatic tranny, I would run an additional cooler with a 10inch fan of its own.

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Takeda - STFU man! I really didnt post so I can see what its like when a person has their head up their *** and tries to post a comment.
His head isn't up his ****. There was a time when *I* believe in old school and nothing else. Hell, ZachStone will take a carb over EFI anyday for a 302 swap in his Ranger. Somethings have a history of reliability and it becomes TOUGH to go against such.

Mechanical fans really don't fail endless their clutches have an issue ( everything mechanical breaks at somepoint ) or if they are PHYSICALLY damaged ( IE: You hit something and crush it ) . You really can't question something with such a history. If E-fans were so ' godly ' , I'm sure Ford would have put one in from the factory. E-fanns are a LOT cheaper then mechanical ones . There has to be ' some reason ' why Ford wouldn't do such.

E-Fans are considered relativly ' new ' on Autos. EFI even had different ' configurations ' over the late 80's, all of the 90's and even today. An E-fan is another ' new ' method being used which has become very popular with everyone trying to siphon an inch out of a gallon of Gasoline.
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that is how mine is set up.....aftermarket tranny cooler with the efan......i am thinking about also removing the lines from the radiator and plugging the holes in the radiator and running a second cooler and interlooping them together.....then cutting the cooler lines off back under the cab and running rubber gas line hose to the new coolers...
THAT would be an Idea. You might even consider a Manual tranny radiator, no holes to plug at all :)
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that is what i have on my truck currently.....i will soon be adding another one right next to it and looping them together......still haven't decided on keepin the stock radiator tranny cooler or not yet though....

from what i have heard and seen, the plate style coolers (like the one i have) are better than the fine and tube style coolers.......i personally don't know for sure, just what i have heard...
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THAT would be an Idea. You might even consider a Manual tranny radiator, no holes to plug at all :)
true.....i wonder if it would be a significant difference without the tranny fluid running in the radiator or if it would only be marginal......is the manual tranny's radiator larger than the automatic because it doesn't have the tranny cooler in it, or is there just a lot of dead space in the manual radiator

i have also considered getting a frame rail tranny cooler OR an aux. tranny filter (the style that uses the FL-1A style filters) and cutting the lines to the radiator off almost right at the tranny and adding the frame rail cooler then running up to the 2 aftermarket coolers.......extra filtration wouldn't be bad...
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Heres those wiring pics Beard..

Where RayJay tapped into the A/C wiring. The connector is ( from the factory ) mounted to the Intake manifold itself. From detonating intakes, teh connector is broken on mine.



My ' controller '


The 2 small gray wires lead to the ( for lack of better terms ) Thermometer pin that goes into the radiator. Orange and Blue go to fuses then to the fan(s). ( This controller will run 2 fans ). Red is 12vdc. Green goes to my HVAC panel in teh dash ( sorry bro, I'm not going to dig out a 7mm socket and rip the bezel off. Love ya man, but I'm just too lazy on this nice day. Next week when it all comes apart, I'll be sure to remember a pic on where its connected for ya ). The yellow goes to the A/C wire in the first pic.

You COULD take that green wire and run it to a manual switch with a +12vdc source. If you do such, use a Relay instead of 12vdc direct and keep it ' clean ' ( solder wires if possible on all of it ).

These ' controlers ' ( honestly, and in all sincerity ) are the weakest link. Anything that causes resistence or heat can make them fail. I would NOT suggest putting the controller inside the engine bay itself. I've had 2 or 3 fail when located there. This one has been in since 05 and hasn't even blown a fuse.

One E-fan innstall kept blowing 25 amp fuses for some reason. 30's worked fine. we went back and soldered all the wires and moved the controller to a better ' ground ' and its been fine since.

Just ' Pay attention to detail ' and everything will work out fine for ya.
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true.....i wonder if it would be a significant difference without the tranny fluid running in the radiator or if it would only be marginal......is the manual tranny's radiator larger than the automatic because it doesn't have the tranny cooler in it, or is there just a lot of dead space in the manual radiator
GOOD Question. Lemme go look.. ( I have 2 trucks, Black o2/awefulmatic and the blue o3 Manual ).

Guess what folks.. The Radiator in the manual truck has capped adaptors where Automatic lines could be run. Its not a factory radiator though.

I think that question would be a damn good one for Bob ( Wenzinger ) as he is the posessor of the Tombs , Unquestionned

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i have also considered getting a frame rail tranny cooler OR an aux. tranny filter (the style that uses the FL-1A style filters) and cutting the lines to the radiator off almost right at the tranny and adding the frame rail cooler then running up to the 2 aftermarket coolers.......extra filtration wouldn't be bad...
I'm no fan of automatics ( I find myself trying to grab the shifter and pushingn in the clutch when I drive the black truck all the time ) . I do know ATF can get murky ( especially when offroading and getting water in the breather tubes ), so it couldnt really hurt.

The only ' hurt ' I could see.. Having all those coolers in FRONT of the radiator.. It would draw heat from those into the radiator itself and make it harder for the engine to cool off.

If those coolers were mounted.. on a wheel well with a fan of their own.. I see no problem at all.
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GOOD Question. Lemme go look.. ( I have 2 trucks, Black o2/awefulmatic and the blue o3 Manual ).

Guess what folks.. The Radiator in the manual truck has capped adaptors where Automatic lines could be run. Its not a factory radiator though.
thanks for lookin D.


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I'm no fan of autoatics ( I find myself trying to grab the shifter and pushingn in the clutch when I drive the black truck all the time ) . I do know ATF can get murky ( especially when offroading and getting water in the breather tubes ), so it couldnt really hurt.

The only ' hurt ' I could see.. Having all those coolers in FRONT of the radiator.. It would draw heat from those into the radiator itself and make it harder for the engine to cool off.

If those coolers were mounted.. on a wheel well with a fan of their own.. I see no problem at all.
seeing that i don't EVER take my truck through mud and water.....

as far as the coolers in front of the radiator, that is a good point about the heat exchange....

i might just have to look into getting dual coolers with fans and mount them under the bed (i wonder how much air they would get there since i have the body lift and all the extra room.....i bet i could even take the cooler i have now and mount it infront of a cooler with a fan and it would draw in enough air.....then have a 3rd cooler with another fan.......hmmmmm
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Theres a wire tapped into near the intake manifold . A ' legend ' named RayJay hooked it in for me on my way to Centrallia back in 05 sometime I'll snag some pics and draw up a wiring diagram if you would like? Wouldn't take long..
Yes I would like to see that diagram.

Also what does the range of the aftermarket gauge look like?

scratch that I see it now... time to read.
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BTW: how is your tranny's cooling Zach Beard after you did the cooler only?

pulled a trailer all the way to the dunes in 90* weather never saw above 160, and at the dunes never above 180 and that was with the fan not working at all.

normal driving never above 150.
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Yes I would like to see that diagram.
Its posted :)

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Also what does the range of the aftermarket gauge look like?
Its posted :)

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scratch that I see it now... time to read.
LOL! ' Back in the day ' there was a Progresso comercial about some italion spaghetti sauce and the 2 guys are arguing about dinner ' It wont taste right ' and the other says ' Dont worry.. its in there! ' .. Flashbacks I wonder if its on youtube
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How about the 4th stage of elemental sciences. You have Solids, Gas, Liquids... Gee.. How about Plasma? That one good enough for ya?
WRONG!!!!! Plasma is NOT "new"!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics)

You want to try for another "NEW" physics principle?????
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Yes, as a matter of fact, this reply is to one of those individuals. I take pride in knowing such as its a direct reflection of ' spirit ' as well.

Too bad. If you did, and one broke, you might actually experience something to aid you in your ' quest for the truth ' so to say.


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What I find interesting your OEM temp gauge is reading where it should at 195F.

The condition of your vehicle under the hood says a lot about you!!!!
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Ok I have an auto with a stock tranny cooler, if I just put a fan over the trans cooler assuming its big enought to do so, I should have any problems I would think. I guess Ill just have to get a 16" fan and find one that fits the trans radiator. I have the tow packaged which includes all that bs.

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Also what does the range of the aftermarket gauge look like?

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Its posted :)

Where maybe I missed that part?
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u guys (especially lifted97ranger) really like to **** money away. u can get the same effect from the junkyard for 1/10 the price...but i guess with all the "whos dick is bigger" conversing my suggestion was skipped.

why would u run two plate style coolers and bypass the in radiator one? u really do like to waste money, dont ya? but it is ur hard earned cash...not mine. FYI, the in radiator cooler helps to warm up the trans fluid in the winter to reach proper operating tempature and vicosity.
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u guys (especially lifted97ranger) really like to **** money away. u can get the same effect from the junkyard for 1/10 the price...but i guess with all the "whos dick is bigger" conversing my suggestion was skipped.

why would u run two plate style coolers and bypass the in radiator one? u really do like to waste money, dont ya? but it is ur hard earned cash...not mine. FYI, the in radiator cooler helps to warm up the trans fluid in the winter to reach proper operating tempature and vicosity.

i know the advantages and disadvantages to changing the tranny fluid coolers.

Right now it works perfect. I saved all the pieces incase I decide to hook it back up to the radiator.

As for the fan, junk yards are few and far between around here, not to mention they want 75% of the price of new. I just dont see the advantage to buying something that is old and for an outrageous price.
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Quote :FYI, the in radiator cooler helps to warm up the trans fluid in the winter to reach proper operating tempature and vicosity.
In the Northen latitudes this is an issue , however, many people live in the South where the cold temps don't play as major of a role.
Trailer towing is another reason to run an aux cooler.Pulling a trailer raises engine temps which in turn raises tranny temps.
Hence I run a manual tranny.No problems with cooling issues.
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What I find interesting your OEM temp gauge is reading where it should at 195F.
WoW! Nothing is broke. Its right where it should be. Good observation. I thank Digimoto and a laptop for being able to put things where they need to be at times.

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The condition of your vehicle under the hood says a lot about you!!!!
Yeah. Theres some shiny things, some road grime ( I love Buffalo Winters. You ever experienced driving in one. They can teach you a lot ).

Under that hood *does* say a few things.

1.) Stuff breaks.. for whatever reason.
2.) I have had my fair share of speeding tickets, court times, and being on foot 6 months ( several times ) over a 3 year stretch.
3.) I think I might know a bit more then what the dent covered/scratched outer shell/body really shows. I like keeping it that way..

Then again..

Wouldn't that be a nicer pic if there was say.. a 302A4 with Eagle rods, Ross pistons on a stroked reciprocating assembly? Maybe a Nice set of AFR 215 heads with Lunati 1.6 Dual Fulcrum rockers bumped by an x303 cam with a set of Barry grant injectors pushing 40+ lbs and a pair of 1900psi bottles stuffing Dentist Gas in the cylinders?

I dunno, that could put about 600hp/680lbft at the crank on a physical dyno stand.. in that small truck it would probably twist it in half endless the frame was fully boxed or heaven forbid someone put a 4 link racecraft setup out back to deal with the torque.. it might have a chance of staying in one piece ( I would hope ) .

Its about Physics and keepin it all together.. Then again, Plasma isn't as old as a 4 link setup.. ( guffaw ).

So what do you really think about E-fans?

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Really, there are four u pull it yards around my within 90 minutes. and i can get those taurus fans all day for $15.
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WRONG!!!!! Plasma is NOT "new"!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics)

You want to try for another "NEW" physics principle?????
http://www.templemount.org/solomon.html

According to the dates used in THAT refrence, Plasma is QUITE new, Sir. Think of the physics in moving stone to build the temple mount that was done.. 2000 ( alledged ) years ago. Yep, Plasma sounds ' scientifically ' new to me!

You can go for all the rambles you want, argue for all you want, heres your last clue. You hit the ' twit filter ' or ignore function afterwards.

You can argue semantics all you want, Your still being irrelivent and honestly, bring no relevence towards weather or not an E-fan is a ' good ' or ' bad ' thing.

Can you tell us about the E-fan on your truck annd how well its done compared to your mechanical one? How about how much better that Mechanical fan was compared to.. THATS RIGHT! You wouldn't dare to put one of those evil electrical fans on YOUR truck. Heaven forbid someone else has and has been running one for a while.. ( sorry if it makes you look clueless, but things just are what they are and we normally make the decisions that grant us the appearence of being intellectually challenged. I've done it.. a LOT more then you, and you probably have a decade of years on me! I have forum ban's to prove it! )

Take a note, then cry about it AFTER you've done such : Your going to be told by someone ' younger ', myself.

Go buy an E-fan and do some temp readings. Go run through some water, drive in all different conditions like SNOW and a REAL WINTER ( BTW: I was stationed at Camp Lejeune back in the 80's, I know you don't have REAL winters down in N.C. a half inch of snow shut all of Jacksonville down for 3 days and put half the commuters off the road! ), as well as a 100+ degree summer day, then come tell us all your findings. Don't cut and paste someone elses work, don't be lazy, go and do your OWN research.

Till then , folks will look at your wikipedia links briefly, then go to their favorite pr0n site afterwards for something more worthy. I don't say such in ' Jest ', I say such as it does happen ( People have stated such to me about some of my posts.. I'll freely admit, some of my rants are less worthy then say.. Lanny Barbi. DAMN! Thats the only thing good to come out of Canada in a long time! Wait.. E-fan.. sorry .. I go off topic sometimes. Its not intentional, I just get to rambeling.. and.. See.. I did it again.. )

Zach Beard is a *FRIEND*. I've met him on several occasions and I wouldn't give him ANY info that would be misleading and cause damage to his vehical. The Same with Maurice. He and Zach hang out on the weekends on occasion.

You have anything to offer outside of links and irrelivent semantical arguments?

If not, let folks whom have given real world science a chance offer what they have seen and the results that have been experienced in the real world.

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why would u run two plate style coolers and bypass the in radiator one? u really do like to waste money, dont ya? but it is ur hard earned cash...not mine. FYI, the in radiator cooler helps to warm up the trans fluid in the winter to reach proper operating tempature and vicosity.
Keil. I thank you for yor post as I LEARNED something ( all honesty! ) from it.

As stated before, I don't do awefulmatic trannies and didn't know such. Thanks
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Heh, after rebuilding several and being around the MD and HD allisons u learn a thing or three.

i never said not to run an aux. cooler, i said that bypassing the in radiator one is foolish (unless it is leaking as those radiators can be quite expensive). i think i am going to replace the stock ranger cooler with a LARGE (30,000 GVW...largest i think that is made) and utalize the stock plumping.
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Really, there are four u pull it yards around my within 90 minutes. and i can get those taurus fans all day for $15.

I wish they were that prevalent around here, closest U-pull-it is about an hour away.
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Sorry to hear that, i usually make a monthy visit to the largest u pull it on the east coast LOL. its about 35 minutes away.
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