5speedin2.3's SAS Thread
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im kinda gonna go with kev on this ur comparing a truck to a jeep but hey thats my opinion
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"Both methods have their pluses and minuses. It boils down more to what the rig's purpose is - and personal preferences. If the Jeep is going to be a daily driver as well as weekend trail warrior, forward shackles may be the way to go. If the rig is primary a trail toy and sees more street miles on a trailer than with its tires on the tarmac, then the rear shackles may be more advantageous."
http://www.jeeptech.com/susp/elkcahs/
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"Besides allowing for smoother motion over bumps, a shackle reversal reduces bump steer. This seems a bit hard to imagine at first, but if you look at the arc that the axle travels in with a shackle reversal, you will notice that caster increases as the axle compresses. The increase in caster makes the Jeep track better reducing wander on bumpy roads."
Bump steer and handling are two issues that will affect a daily driven vehicle..
if i put the shackles in the rear i will have to box the frame and then make a hole in it for the top shackle bushing.
and also make a large and heavy frame extension at the front that will hang down and look like crap. all this will need to be done for proper pinion angle.
i dont see any benefit for this as it will be driven on the street and never see any rock crawling thus i dought he will ever bend the front springs, and that is why shackle reversal is done
and also make a large and heavy frame extension at the front that will hang down and look like crap. all this will need to be done for proper pinion angle.
i dont see any benefit for this as it will be driven on the street and never see any rock crawling thus i dought he will ever bend the front springs, and that is why shackle reversal is done
I do understand that by the design of the ranger's frame, having the shackle up front will give a much lower ride height with very little other work, no arguement there. And although you are doing your build 'on the cheap', I've just always been the type to do something better initially if there is the option to do so rather than going with the 'easier/cheaper' route. If you are not going with high steer, then a shackle reversal is no more work than re-mounting the leaf perches on the axle to correct your pinion angle. With the shackle reversal you don't necessarily have to box the frame and mount the bushing inside it. Sure, it would help keep the vehicle at a lower height, but a shorter shackle can achieve the same result. You also don't need to have 'a large and heavy frame extension at the front that will hang down and look like crap'. You (should) be able to mount the spring hangers directly to the frame (I know I did initially).
Yeah I'm not too sure where Justin was going with that.
why are you workin so hard to try an convince them? did they ask to be educated in this thread? everyone builds stuff differently for different reasons. if this was all about a safety issue it would be different, but its not, its a build style thing.
you have stated your position, and they seem to have done their own research. let it go, its their build and its not like it can NEVER changed later.....most guys go thru 3 or 4 sets of axles when they do a SAS anyhow.....
you have stated your position, and they seem to have done their own research. let it go, its their build and its not like it can NEVER changed later.....most guys go thru 3 or 4 sets of axles when they do a SAS anyhow.....
why are you workin so hard to try an convince them? did they ask to be educated in this thread? everyone builds stuff differently for different reasons. if this was all about a safety issue it would be different, but its not, its a build style thing.
you have stated your position, and they seem to have done their own research. let it go, its their build and its not like it can NEVER changed later.....most guys go thru 3 or 4 sets of axles when they do a SAS anyhow.....
you have stated your position, and they seem to have done their own research. let it go, its their build and its not like it can NEVER changed later.....most guys go thru 3 or 4 sets of axles when they do a SAS anyhow.....
If you research it, you can do it right the first time and not have to waste your money on axles. Like I'll be doing, D44 up front and either D60 rear or 9in. That's doing it right the first time.
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i plan to get a turbo, but nothing special, i only want to run 3-5psi with no intercooler.
more pictures will be up soon.
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daniels new ride
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we didnt get much done today, just got the front hanger mounts welded to the frame and got some new U bolts
daniel is being , well, daniel . and hasnt uploaded any pics.
0407081857.jpg?t=1207613554
we didnt get much done today, just got the front hanger mounts welded to the frame and got some new U bolts
daniel is being , well, daniel . and hasnt uploaded any pics.
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all you have to do is ask!
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i took a few long exposure pictures today while my dad was cutting stuff then one when he was welding.
the picture of the bike is my transportation right now.
the truck is going to be 2-3" taller then it is in the pictures once its done.
evan also came over today to pick up the parts for gumby.
this is what $60 in ubolts look like
the picture of the bike is my transportation right now.
the truck is going to be 2-3" taller then it is in the pictures once its done.
evan also came over today to pick up the parts for gumby.
this is what $60 in ubolts look like
